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Model Forum / General / Models / November 2003Ebay warning: teamjoedawn excessive 'handling' charges
Stay away from seller named "teamjoedawn" from Springfield Va (ebay lists them as Montgomery-Springfield VA) But with only 18 feedback and a dropping feedback rate, by the time this hits they'll have a new name and be doing it again. I picked up an Italeri AC130 for less than $20 but paid $13.23 for shipping. For that I got the kit wrapped in a layer or two of recycled paper and an outer layer of brown paper and mailed standard mail (postal fee $5.55) making the 'handling ' fee $7.68. Since then there are several neutral and negative feedbacks posted. I paid via paypal over a month ago and got the kit today 11-13 in ok shape. According to the postal stamp the kit was only mailed on the 8th of Nov, weeks AFTER I paid via paypal. Auction ended Oct-19-03 10:41:06 PDT Heads up people. Their email is teamjoedawn@yahoo.com go get em spam-bots... Mike please remove "diespam" to reply If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you've misunderstood the situation. I checked out a couple of the auctions offered by teamjoedawn. What you are NOT including in your post is that each of their auctions had a "shipping calculator" included. I checked out the calculator for an item I was interested in - found out that they were including charges way above what the standard U.S. Post Office charge was. So I moved on. I don't think it is right to complain after the fact that their "shipping" cost was a lot more than they actually paid to ship the item. You had the same option to use the "shipping calculator" on their item description as everyone else. Jim M > Stay away from seller named "teamjoedawn" from Springfield Va (ebay lists them > as Montgomery-Springfield VA) [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you've > misunderstood the situation. >checked out the calculator for an item I >was interested in - found out that they were including charges way above [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >same option to use the "shipping calculator" on their item description as >everyone else. Jim I don't disagree with your caveat emptor, I did see the charges as I paid, but since the shipping calculator does not identify handling changes it is impossible to tell what is shipping and what is handling. For my $7.68 I expected a bit more than a brown paper wrapper. At this point I am not so much mad abd complaining that I got taken, as I am offering a heads-up to the community at large. Mike please remove "diespam" to reply If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you've misunderstood the situation. > >checked out the calculator for an item I > >was interested in - found out that they were including charges way above [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you've > misunderstood the situation. Mike, Point taken. I fully agree that there was no excuse for the packaging. No one should ship something without taking precautions that the USPS may not treat it with kid gloves. To not ship a plastic model in a sturdy cardboard box with proper packing IS taking advantage of people's trust. As to the shipping, it is a shame that this seems to be the current trend with many E-bay sellers - seeking extra compensation for their time and effort in preparing shipping by jacking up the shipping costs. It has certainly caused me to cut way back on my e-bay purchases. Jim M Now another question. You mentioned how poorly it was packaged, but how did the model fare? Was it damaged or did you get lucky? If no damage, then I don't think you have much of a gripe there either. It shouldn't have been packed that way, but if it arrived safe & sound, then it's a moot point. > Now another question. You mentioned how poorly it was packaged, but how > did the model fare? Was it damaged or did you get lucky? If no damage, > then I don't think you have much of a gripe there either. It shouldn't > have been packed that way, but if it arrived safe & sound, then it's a > moot point. You should see how some of these guys treat computer parts. Wrapping motherboards in newspaper is not recommended. I'd hate to describe what my son says when he gets some needed part badly packaged in some similar manner. Bill Banaszak, MFE >Now another question. You mentioned how poorly it was packaged, but how >did the model fare? Was it damaged or did you get lucky? If no damage, >then I don't think you have much of a gripe there either. It shouldn't >have been packed that way, but if it arrived safe & sound, then it's a >moot point. I think I have everything and at first glance none of the parts in the box are damaged, many are off the trees. Since the shrinkwrap was off the package and the papers arrived torn, I have no idea if everything is there. On opening the brown paper wrapping , I caught a crew seat as it fell to the floor.It was outside the box and inside the paper. I worked through the instructions/parts diagram and think it is all there. They did not seal the kit box and the brown paper arrived in tatters. Both addresses were printed onto 3x5 cards and loosely taped to the package. The fact it got here at all is blind luck For $7.68 'handling' put the frigging thing in a free box from the grocery/discount club/liquor store and pay an extra $0.50 for postage for christsakes! Mike please remove "diespam" to reply If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you've misunderstood the situation. > but if it arrived safe & sound, then it's a moot point. Its far from a moot point. If an Ebayer buyer pays £X (or $X) postage/packing then they should actually get that amount in postage/packing. Far too many Ebay sellers are using high postage costs to augment the the final sales value in their auctions. Jimi You didn't pay attention to what I was writing about. How much someone pays for shipping postage has nothing to do with how well the kit's packaged. Yes, if shipping is "X amount", then that's what should be done. However, whether it's wrapped in brown paper or a wooden crate is irrelevant if it arrives intact. > You didn't pay attention to what I was writing about. I did. You are advocating that its ok to charge high postage as long as the item arrives safely. To put it bluntly, thats bollocks. > However, whether it's wrapped in brown paper or a wooden crate is > irrelevant if it arrives intact. Its totally relevant. Paying over the odds for a cheap postage option is a sure sign of rip-off artist. Jimi I am NOT advocating it's OK to pay high postage & not get what you pay for. Go back & read all the posts. What I was referring to was the fact the package was only wrapped in paper, no cardboard box. The moot point would be, IMO, is if the kit arrived safe & sound, then it doesn't matter how it was packaged. If it is damaged, then THAT is relevant. That has nothing at all to do with paying $15 for postage only to have it shipped for $5. Other than, obviously, if it was in a box, it would weigh more, so the postage would be more. Whether it makes $10 difference or not, well... As I've said in at least one other group, "postage/shipping & handling" are usually not used properly. "postage/shipping", is just that, what it costs to mail/ship the item. "Handling" is just that. What it costs, if anything, to handle the preparation. The way it works out is, unless specified, true "handling" would be anything above & beyond the postage. If a seller says "$15 S & H", well, be prepared. If they said "$15 shipping", then it better be sent in 2 day UPS or something or at least have about $15 on the postage. Anything over the postage better be refunded. Next time you see a gadget on a TV commercial for only "$19.95 plus $6.96 S & H", order it & I think you'll find when it arrives, it was shipped for $3 - $4. The rest was "handling". > The moot point > would be, IMO, is if the kit arrived safe & sound, then it doesn't > matter how it was packaged. It most certainly does matter when the buyer is paying for said packaging. If a buyer is charged, for example, $10 ,with $6 postage plus $3 packaging and with $1 handling, then they expect the amount paid for packaging ($3) to actual be used, not just a plain brown wrap with some cellotape that cost 50cents. > Next time you see a gadget on a TV commercial for only I go and buy it from a shop - saves me money. :-) Jimi > I go and buy it from a shop - saves me money. :-) Not neccesarily-At least a 20 mile drive to one of last remaining hobby shpos in DFW area, and in our traffic that usually translates to over 1/2 hour each way. Now they want to turn this particular state highway into a toll road. On a good day, my Rodeo gets 14 mpg, plus wear and tear on the vehicle (32 inch AT tires ain't cheap) and on top of it all, over 8 percent sales tax. Just in gas and tax alone, a $25 kit ends up costing an additional six bucks easily. I'd rather sit on my a.s and use eBay while watching the History Channel, and let the mailgirl bring the kit to me. > > I go and buy it from a shop - saves me money. :-) > > Not neccesarily <snip car stuff> Well, as I live next to "the largest indoor shopping centre in Europe" (dunno if its still true but the place is always billed as such), I dont have to worry about wear/tear on a car - I can walk to said shopping centre in 10 minutes. And I can get wonderful bargains there. Like I said, I go and buy from a shop - saves me money. Jimi > > > I go and buy it from a shop - saves me money. :-) > > > > Not neccesarily > <snip car stuff> > > Well, as I live next to "the largest indoor shopping centre in Europe" Well there you go! Driving across Texas is like driving across Europe. >> > > I go and buy it from a shop - saves me money. :-) >> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Well there you go! Driving across Texas is like driving across Europe. except for anything to see. >>Its far from a moot point. If an Ebayer buyer pays £X (or $X) >>postage/packing then they should actually get that amount in >>postage/packing. Far too many Ebay sellers are using high postage costs to >>augment the the final sales value in their auctions. People forget packing materials cost, postage estimates can be wrong, so 20% on top of estimated first class is fine, I usually add in enough to cover recorded as well. >People forget packing materials cost, postage estimates can be wrong, so 20% >on top of estimated first class is fine, I usually add in enough to cover >recorded as well. Ok, so 10% of $5.55 is $0.55, times 2 is US$1.10 At this point he padded his profits by $6.58 I'd not have minded at all if my $7.68 bought me a sturdy box, well wrapped, and shipped anything other than bulk rate. Plus as his other replies show, he is doing it intentionally and is completley unapologetic about his if not dishonets, at least decietful buisness practices. Mike please remove "diespam" to reply If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you've misunderstood the situation. >Plus as his other replies show, he is doing it intentionally and is >completley >unapologetic about his if not dishonets, at least decietful buisness >practices. jeeesshhh.. I CAN spell.. I just can't type.. @#$#$ new keyboard... Ever get a keyboard where everything was just barely different enough that you missed a few.. Something about the 'action' on this one that makes some keys more sensitive than others too... oh well.. Mike please remove "diespam" to reply If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you've misunderstood the situation. Mike - I know what you mean - mine sometimes doesn't accept 't' and 'm' - akes i ineresting o read essages fro e. lol RobG (the Aussie one) > >Plus as his other replies show, he is doing it intentionally and is > >completley [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you've > misunderstood the situation. I was forwarded to this link by Ebay who is presently investigating the soliciting of spam to our account and posting false information about us. To answer the concern posted by MLDHOC and others, allow me to say...we offered a shipping calculator for his use. He was to calculate his shipping charges and add it paypal. I supply a shipping link and even cross reference it with UPS and USPS so everyone understands what they are paying for. I then send a follow up email PRIOR to shipping so everyone understands and agrees and has an opportunity to make changes. He added poorly and then attacked us. We did not send the product in a brown paper wrap but in a box that was double wrapped and sent insured - even though he didn't pay for it. Our only offense was being late and we followed up repeatedly to let him know why. MLDHOC also posted that he gave us a neutral rating because the package arrived in good condition but now he says otherwise. If it arrived so poorly, why not negative feedback? That is what it is there for and if you would care to read his post on my account, you will see he offered a neutral. Pretty generous for an alleged rip off, right? This poster is frightenly harrassing and has been reported to Ebay and AOL for repeat disturbing emails to our account. He has been put on a block and possible suspension. I would steer clear of anyone who retaliates by solicting spam and not a refund or an explanation. THAT should fire up the warning flags. Thanks for letting me post. Teamjoedawn > >People forget packing materials cost, postage estimates can be wrong, so 20% > >on top of estimated first class is fine, I usually add in enough to cover [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you've > misunderstood the situation. This was never about my bad for paying too much shipping, I own that one. This has always been a warning to the community at large that, in my personal experience, you are not a respectable, reputable buisness person and that you overcharge for shipping. You are just digging deeper. I talking about your own words were posted here mocking a former customer. remember, Satisfied customers tell their friends. Dissatisfied customers tell everyone. >He added poorly and then attacked us. >We did not send the product in a brown paper wrap but in a box that >was double wrapped and sent insured - even though he didn't pay for >it. One layer of torn brown paper, two layers of recycled shirtbox paper, poorly taped on address labels, and a damaged kit box from which kit parts fell out into my hands as I opened it.(old Italeri/Testors yellow box) does not equate to a $7.68 expense on your part. Would you care to explain that to the listening audience? I have since discarded the wrapping, would you care to offer ANY proof you insured the package? As for changing my story, Deja the orig. thread and check.. same message from me. Me, 98 positive feedback as a buyer, 100% positive feedback. Including yours "Praise : Super fast payment. A pleasure doing business with...Thanks!" You, 6 feedback as a seller 2/3 negative or neutral (and I gave you the neutral) including, shall we.. Neutral : pd 13.23 s/h on 10-19, rec. 11-14 std mail $5.55 I paid7.68 for brn paper wrap?! (from me) Where in there did I change my story? methinks you dost protest too much. And the biggies... Complaint : stay away for him ! he his tripling the mail cost:24$ for small hasegawa 1/72 ! and two from the same person Complaint : WARNING! These people try to rip you off on postage One of us has a positive history and one of us does not. Anyone, Anyone?? > Our only offense was being late and we followed up repeatedly to >let him know why. No other communications were recieved other than your 'nyah.nyah you cant add' messages. posted here for general consumption, nice lie. Again, offer proof or be quiet >MLDHOC also posted that he gave us a neutral rating because the >package arrived in good condition but now he says otherwise. No, you got neutral feedback since I GOT the package, NOT because it was in good shape. again, from ebay "Neutral : pd 13.23 s/h on 10-19, rec. 11-14 std mail $5.55 I paid7.68 for brn paper wrap?!" > If it arrived so poorly, why not negative feedback? That is what it is >there for and if you would care to read his post on my account, you >will see he offered a neutral. you sent what I paid (overpaid) for. >Pretty generous for an alleged rip >off, right? Nope. I have my kit. You barely held up your end of the deal. To my way of thinking, you are still padding your profits and ripping ebay off of their share by upping the 'handling' charges and not letting them get their cut. Maybe I'll drop a dime on you.. nah, you'll change your name and be at it tomorrow. >This poster is frightenly harrassing and has been reported to Ebay and >AOL for repeat disturbing emails to our account. > He has been put on a >block and possible suspension. were you referring to the 'you might not have known this was against the rules' email I got from ebay? Do check on Item number: 3159683369 > I would steer clear of anyone who >retaliates by solicting spam and not a refund or an explanation. THAT >should fire up the warning flags. Nice.. shoot yourself on the OTHER foot now.. Now YOU'RE making my points for me. Again, me with 98 postitive feedbacks (100% as a buyer over 5yrs) you 6 feedback as a seller only 2 positive...Since you're so good at it, YOU do the math.. Go ahead ask, here and elsewhere. I've got a long history of being a good trader/buyer. Where are your references? Go home, Troll. Mike Mike please remove "diespam" to reply If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you've misunderstood the situation. T'was always your option not to bid. You chose to harrass and become frighteningly obsessive after poorly applying wrong shipping. We paid your insurance and sent your package that you described in your OWN WORDS..."arrived in good condition". Now you say it was falling apart? Sorry Mike...had I received an item that was falling apart "in my hands" - that seller would not be given a neutral rating. This is how it works Mike...shall we re-enter Ebay training? You whine and complain because you can't add appropriate shipping. We apply a $2.00 handling fee to everything. Perhaps someone can help you understand how to operate the USPS.com link I give everyone an option at searching. If you felt the shipping was too high, you had the option to NOT bid. Had you felt it was a bad deal, you had the option to contact us and ask us for a refund, had you felt you were totally screwed, you had the option to post a NEGATIVE rating...all three of which you had failed to do. Your credibility tanked the minute I received several emails from those disgusted with your post solciting spam. THAT was your infraction and frankly the reason no one took you seriously here. Rule of thumb Mike...if the shipping is too high? Don't bid. Work with that one for now and come back for lesson two next week entitled "Negative Feedback and how to leave it if you are unsatisfied". >Work with that one for now and come back for lesson two next week >entitled Take a hike a.shole....................... "Only a Gentleman can insult me, and a true Gentleman never will..." Having traded with Mike on several occassions I have always found him to be fair and decent. That said... I've read this thread and your response, and it seems that the problem is with an excessive charge for substandard packing. I too have been charged for high priced S&H on ebay auctions only to have the package arrive at my doorstep wrapped in paper rather than boxed. Without contacting the seller first, I have left negative feedback. In this day and age, packages are sent in boxes. The last time wrapping parcels in paper was in vogue was about the same time the Toronto Maple Leafs won the Stanley Cup. Lets get real folks. > I was forwarded to this link by Ebay who is presently investigating > the soliciting of spam to our account and posting false information [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you've > > misunderstood the situation. As a seller myself, I state quite clearly that shipping will be ACTUAL usps priority ship with confirmation, and a 2.00 handling fee. I also state that I will send shipping cost before someone bids if they provide their zipcode. 2.00 bucks is for my time and travel to the post office. If this is not to your liking, don't bid. Padding of profit, is a silly statement. You always have the option NOT TO BID. > Having traded with Mike on several occassions I have always found him to be > fair and decent. That said... [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > you've > > > misunderstood the situation. >I also state that >I will send shipping cost before someone bids if they provide their zipcode. >2.00 bucks is for my time and travel to the post office. In real business, these expenses are factored into the base price. They are just like things such as employee salary or rent, given facts of doing business. >You always >have the option NOT TO BID. Which rational people exercise vigorously. > As to the shipping, it is a shame that this seems to be the current trend > with many E-bay sellers - seeking extra compensation for their time and > effort in preparing shipping by jacking up the shipping costs. It has > certainly caused me to cut way back on my e-bay purchases. I agree. I usually take a small loss on shipping because I don't want the high price of shipping to kill an auction. I've not bid because of the excessive shipping on more than one occasion. One guy did suggest to me that it would be ok to pack a model btwn two pieces of cardboard and wrap in paper. It was an odd size kit (sub) I never would have considered doing that. The kit arrived perfect. I might though give the buyer the option of parcel post which would take a few weeks (but what's wrong with that as we never build these damn things) or let him pay more for first class, etc.... But with the price, etc...it all depends on how bad you want it. for fun check out the shipping sellers charge for Hot Wheels. Usually $4-6 each. Craig > > As to the shipping, it is a shame that this seems to be the current trend > > with many E-bay sellers - seeking extra compensation for their time and [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > for fun check out the shipping sellers charge for Hot Wheels. Usually $4-6 > each. I have JUST won a kit on US ebay, seller stated 7 bucks US, anyway its coming surface for 7 bucks to the UK, but he had a Hot hweels car, 99cents ended, but 5 bucks shiping.....way too much i would have thought, price sticker said a buck 29! > Craig heres the reply i got about shipping, not added or changed a letter of it, some people cant put the effort or a thanks for winning etc effort in, i asked if it was ok to send US bills(slapped hand again) ill check us bills are welcome > > > As to the shipping, it is a shame that this seems to be the current > trend [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > > Craig When I sell stuff I use the following things Very small items normally 30p to 70p I charge £1.50 Recorded is about 60p, then there is tape, time, petrol to P/O, extra packing etc If they pay the PAYPAL charge go first recorded, otherwise 2nd class. Fastfood toys are now £1.50 and above rules apply Usually I aim to use first class Royal Mail, but PAYPAL does cost me I am selling NOT to make a loss Most annoying are US winners who pay UK postage by PAYPAL and don't add on the 5% and don't pay extra for US postage. I now give them a couple of days to cough up or I cancel their bid and return the money. I now state this on all auctions postage UK only, if they are from abroad wait for invoice or get negative feedback. >Most annoying are US winners who pay UK postage by PAYPAL and don't add on >the 5% and don't pay extra for US postage. It's a violation of eBay policy to charge buyers a percentage for using PayPal. Those charges are a cost of doing business and should be absorbed by the seller as such.  SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - click "Reply To" to respond via email. Check out my want and disposal lists at "Al's Place": http://www.network54.com/realm/modeleral/ "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." > >Most annoying are US winners who pay UK postage by PAYPAL and don't add on > >the 5% and don't pay extra for US postage. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, > and the critics will flame you every time." I won a item the other day from US seller and he said if i was to pay by OPP i would have to add a charge, i had always thought that was illigal > It's a violation of eBay policy to charge buyers a percentage for > using PayPal. There are conditions for such a surcharge - the main one being buyer and seller being in the UK. We UKers can apply a surcharge to Paypal payments as UK law allows this. Ebay have stated many times that US law disallows a surcharge. As a UK Ebayer, anyone wishing to pay me via a creditcard through Paypal pays the standard 3.4% + 20UKpence that Paypal charges me. I also offer the ability to pay via cash balance at Paypal, and will take a cheque. Jimi >>There are conditions for such a surcharge - the main one being buyer and >>seller being in the UK. We UKers can apply a surcharge to Paypal payments as >>UK law allows this. Ebay have stated many times that US law disallows a >>surcharge. If they didn't want a surcharge added PAYPAL shouldn't charge so much. When items go for 30p ALL profits are absorbed by paypal fees - also why we in the UK up our postage rates with low value items > It's a violation of eBay policy to charge buyers a percentage for > using PayPal. Those charges are a cost of doing business and should > be absorbed by the seller as such. Fine. I'll offer a 4% discount to buyers using cash or money order from now on. I take it that would be legal? Rob >I'll offer a 4% discount to buyers using cash or money order >from now on. I take it that would be legal? It's not a matter of legality. You'd have to ask eBay if that would violate their policy. SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - click "Reply To" to respond via email. Check out my want and disposal lists at "Al's Place": http://www.network54.com/realm/modeleral/ "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." >> It's a violation of eBay policy to charge buyers a percentage >> for [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Rob In most states that would be illegal. The laws vary from state to state which is why ebay doesn't allow it either way. For example in NJ where I live it is illegal to offer a discount for cash, but perfectly legal to charge a surcharge for credit cards. > >> It's a violation of eBay policy to charge buyers a percentage > >> for [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > live it is illegal to offer a discount for cash, but perfectly legal to > charge a surcharge for credit cards. What an absolutely lovely confusing mess. At least the NJ systems makes sense; if someone wants to pay through an expensive system, let them pay for the privilege themselves. Is there any reason the law protects the credit card companies in this way, or is it simply a matter of rule-by-money? Rob >> >> It's a violation of eBay policy to charge buyers a percentage >> >> for [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Rob It doesn't really have to do with protecting the credit card companies or merchants. It's about protecting the state tax coffers. If merchants were allowed to offer discounts for cash, it was assumed that some would do so and that those cash sales would go unreported. Clearly that is a ridiculous notion as merchants who are so inclined will still skim cash, but as I understand it that was the logic. >Is there any reason the law protects the credit card companies in this way, or >is it simply a matter of rule-by-money? Actually, it's protecting small merchants from losing part of what is already a small profit margin. SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - click "Reply To" to respond via email. Check out my want and disposal lists at "Al's Place": http://www.network54.com/realm/modeleral/ "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." > >Is there any reason the law protects the credit card companies in this way, or > >is it simply a matter of rule-by-money? > > Actually, it's protecting small merchants from losing part of > what is already a small profit margin. This doesn't add up. The reason that the merchant could give this discount, is simply because the credit card company would otherwise take a slice of aforementioned profit margin. If the merchant gives a cash discount smaller than the amount the credit card company would otherwise charge him, the only one to lose would be the credit card company, whereas both the merchant and the customer would get a better deal. Rob > > >Is there any reason the law protects the credit card companies in this > > >way, or [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Rob No merchant is required to accept credit cards. Those that do anticipate that the added convenience to customers (who can then part with cash they don't even have yet) will cause them to spend much more and increase the merchant's total profit. The credit card company for its part makes a lot of money on interest charges, but those aren't guaranteed, whereas the per-transaction fees are assured. In the context of eBay, sellers who don't want to part with the fees associated with PayPal in return for prompt payment (and possibly increased customer activity) ought to just dump the expense of doing business on the buyer by requiring postal money orders or other secure paper. Mark Schynert >If the merchant gives a >cash discount smaller than the amount the credit card company would >otherwise charge him, the only one to lose would be the credit card >company, whereas both the merchant and the customer would get a better >deal. The per transaction charge isn't the only fee the merchant has to pay to the credit card company. SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - click "Reply To" to respond via email. Check out my want and disposal lists at "Al's Place": http://www.network54.com/realm/modeleral/ "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." >As to the shipping, it is a shame that this seems to be the current trend >with many E-bay sellers - seeking extra compensation for their time and >effort in preparing shipping by jacking up the shipping costs. It has >certainly caused me to cut way back on my e-bay purchases. > >Jim M I noticed this as well. On Nov 9, I won a 1/72 scale Esci M901 ITV and a 1/72 scale Fujimi HH-60D Night Hawk. Not two of the largest kits on the market. Both could probably fit inside a standard Tamiya kit box (like a Sherman). The final bids for both were $3 a piece and I was the only bidder for each. Then I got the shipping amount for each, $5.10 for the little Esci kit and $7.05 for the Fujimi kit. Over $12 dollars shipping for two little kits that went for $6 total! I even asked if he was going to combine shipping and I got the same response: $3+$5.10=$8.10 $3+$7.05=$10.05 His listing said PayPal payments get mailed within 24 hrs. Checks must clear for 10 days. So I paid the Esci kit ($8.10) with PP immediately and mailed a check for the Fujimi kit on Nov 12. Screw him, I'll make him make two trips to the post office. Bad thing is that I only bid on the Night Hawk because I wanted the M901 and figured combined shipping wouldn't be too bad. I wouldn't mind paying the $5.10 for the one kit and $7.05 for the two, but $12.15 for both is ridiculous! OK, done venting. Rob Gronovius Visit my motor pool in the www.armorama.com gallery >Bad thing is that I only bid on the Night Hawk because I wanted the M901 and >figured combined shipping wouldn't be too bad. I wouldn't mind paying the >$5.10 >for the one kit and $7.05 for the two, but $12.15 for both is ridiculous! > >OK, done venting. Rob, Is your experience with the same folks, teamjoedawn , or a different seller? Mike please remove "diespam" to reply If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you've misunderstood the situation. >Rob, >Is your experience with the same folks, teamjoedawn , or a different seller? Different seller. Have not run across teamjoedawn, but will avoid them in the future. Rob Gronovius Visit my motor pool in the www.armorama.com gallery >>I even asked if he was going to combine shipping and I got the same response: >>$3+$5.10=$8.10 >>$3+$7.05=$10.05 ^Dick^ alert - I have combined when I have had same winners I buy kits and sell old junk from the garage, old toys, duplicate books, poor CDs LPs and DVDs >>>I even asked if he was going to combine shipping and I got the same >response: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I buy kits and sell old junk from the garage, old toys, duplicate books, >poor CDs LPs and DVDs what do you have for vinyl? any old school punk or early wave? t100r@hotmail.com we kill for colored vinyl. >>what do you have for vinyl? >>any old school punk or early wave? Poor 1980 HM normally got rid of most of them >Poor 1980 HM normally > >got rid of most of them darn. >>>Poor 1980 HM normally >>> >>>got rid of most of them >darn. I want the good ones myself - hence the poor eg Anvil <SNIP> Their email is teamjoedawn@yahoo.com > go get em spam-bots... > Mike > please remove "diespam" to reply You just violated Ebay's TOS by posting the contact information of an Ebay member without their consent, and have done so with the express purpose of filling their inbox with spam. This is a suspendable violation, and Ebay will be notified. User ID: mldhoc I assume from your post that you are probably the offending teamjoedawn. If so, you have an opportunity here to explain your S&H charges. If you are not teamjoedawn, why have you taken upon yourself to be the e-Bay Police? Art > <SNIP> > Their email is teamjoedawn@yahoo.com [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > This is a suspendable violation, and Ebay will be notified. > User ID: mldhoc > I assume from your post that you are probably the offending teamjoedawn. If > so, you have an opportunity here to explain your S&H charges. > > If you are not teamjoedawn, why have you taken upon yourself to be the e-Bay > Police? The reason is quite simple actually, just because you are not satisfied with a transaction, does not give you the right to post that members contact information on a public group so it can be harvested by spambots. Post a warning with their userID, that is fine, however when you take the route that mldhoc decided to take, it is nothing more that being petty and immature. Now he will lose his Ebay account because of it, which is too bad, but he should have thought of that before taking such a short-sighted approach to his problem. Gav P.S: And no I am not teamjoedawn >Now he will lose his Ebay account because of it, which is too bad, >but he should have thought of that before taking such a short-sighted >approach to his problem. Perhaps a bit of a childish thing to do, admittedly. I can imagine their anguish as the inbox fills up with spam harvested from one RMS post. <sarcasm intended> But with a yahoo email account and only 18 feedback on ebay, most of the recent ones negative. (Interesting to note all the negatives have been posted SINCE the end of my auction. ) I am not too concerned I have wronged a completely innocent individual here. The seller has not yet responded to my personal email. More childish and petulant might have been posting the real name and address of the individual in question, which I have not and will not. And if e-bay gives me the boot, oh well... I am free to behave like every other poor seller out there.. start a new account under another name. Not that I am too worried, as an occasional buyer only, they are not a service I can't live without. Mike please remove "diespam" to reply If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you've misunderstood the situation. > And if e-bay gives me the boot, oh well... They wont - what you did doesnt break any Ebay rules. > I am free to behave like every other poor seller out there.. start a new > account under another name. Yup. Jimi I sell stuff from Russia; both direct from Russia to buyers in Asia and Europe or shipping from Russia to me and then to other points. I never charge a handling fee: only a flat fee based on US mail averages, like $1.00 for a small item first class mail US, but actual to foreign locations. Yeah, I have lost things, but very few... I build my profit and time into the price; the buyer should not pay because YOU live too far from a post office for it to be profitable. >> And if e-bay gives me the boot, oh well... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Jimi Lance Mertz Ketchikan, Alaska Toujours Prete http://www.kpunet.net/~lmertz Remove Nospam in email address to respond. Am Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:00:07 -0000 schrieb "Jimi": >> And if e-bay gives me the boot, oh well... > >They wont - what you did doesnt break any Ebay rules. Don't be too sure about that. eBay Germany (for example) definitely says, that only the EFFECTIVE shipping costs have to be charged - and not one penny more than that. To add some cents for the packaging to the postage fee is ok and accepted, but ANY "artificial cost increase" is against the rules. So, if the packaging is cheap, the possible addition has to be low down to zero, if used material is taken - if it is expensive, the buyer has to accept these. And if the buyer pays for good packaging, he has to get it. Not more, not less. Finito. Maybe you should sometimes read the rules (and be up-to-date with their changes)... cu, ZiLi aka HKZL (Heinrich Zinndorf-Linker) Signature/"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign mailto:heinrich@zili.de \ / http://zili.de X No HTML in / \ email & news > Maybe you should sometimes read the rules (and be up-to-date with > their changes)... Maybe you should try and follow this branch of the thread and understand we are talking about MLDHOC posting an Ebayer's email address, not about shipping costs. Jimi >Maybe you should try and follow this branch of the thread and understand we >are talking about MLDHOC posting an Ebayer's email address, not about >shipping costs. > >Jimi i think "gavin friday" thought we were too dumb to recognize the ripped nym. Heinrich Zinndorf-Linker <spam-trash@zili.de> wrote in news:bp6nnc$oi2$01 $1@news.t-online.com: > Am Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:00:07 -0000 schrieb "Jimi": > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Maybe you should sometimes read the rules (and be up-to-date with > their changes)... They don't do this out of any particular concern for the buyer though. They do it because the shipping charges are not subject to commission. It is a common tactic to sell an item for less than it's actual value plus an inflated shipping charge. This results in the same net cost to the buyer but a lower sellers commission, which is the ONLY reason for this rule. <Secret> wrote in message news:Xns943AA319AFB04secretsquirrel69nosp@206.127.4.10... > Heinrich Zinndorf-Linker <spam-trash@zili.de> wrote in news:bp6nnc$oi2$01 > $1@news.t-online.com: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > buyer but a lower sellers commission, which is the ONLY reason for this > rule. Seen a kit on US ebay, normal av car kit, seller wants 11.95 US shipping, seems one helluvalot > <Secret> wrote in message > news:Xns943AA319AFB04secretsquirrel69nosp@206.127.4.10... [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Seen a kit on US ebay, normal av car kit, seller wants 11.95 US > shipping, seems one helluvalot It is, but you're missing the point. Your cost is the total cost delivered to your door. The cost of the item, shipping and any other expenses such as mailing payment or purchasing a money order. The comparison would be to purchasing locally when possible where there is the cost of the item, sales taxes and travel expenses (gas, tolls etc) plus time. Hopefully the time and cost to pick something up is negligible btu depending where you live it may not be. It really makes no difference if your item is $5.00 with $10.00 shipping or $13.00 + $2.00 shipping. The net is the same. The point was that Sellers on ebay often price their goods the first way simply to lower their sales commissions. EBay has a rule against this but it is seldom if ever enforced. <Secret> wrote in message news:Xns943DA42D1FD6Fsecretsquirrel69nosp@206.127.4.10... > > <Secret> wrote in message > > news:Xns943AA319AFB04secretsquirrel69nosp@206.127.4.10... [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > lower their sales commissions. EBay has a rule against this but it is > seldom if ever enforced. Yank seller at present, selling xmas decorations, small light induvidual items, shipping and H is 10 bucks, his way of lowering fees >> I assume from your post that you are probably the offending teamjoedawn. >If [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >P.S: And no I am not teamjoedawn perhaps i'll tell gavin some fink is using his name to be a dickweed. >perhaps i'll tell gavin some fink is using his name to be a >dickweed. Perhaps GFRIDAY should have answerd the question >>> If you are not teamjoedawn, why have you taken upon yourself to be the >>e-Bay >>> Police? The question is "you", not what ebays rules are. >before taking such a short-sighted >approach to his problem. > >Gav > >P.S: And no I am not teamjoedawn Maybe not. But you are definately the south end of a north bound horse. If you are soooo worried about Ebay's policies, go to work for them. But, keep your nose out of a public forum in which people with shared interests try to help one another with information about many subjects including crooked/unethical points of sale. > If you are soooo worried about Ebay's policies, go to work for them. But, keep > your nose out of a public forum in which people with shared interests try to > help one another with information about many subjects including > crooked/unethical points of sale. <insert long and loud golf-clap here> Jimi > You just violated Ebay's TOS by posting the contact information of an Ebay > member without their consent Can you provide the actual Ebay link to support this?? Jimi > > You just violated Ebay's TOS by posting the contact information of an Ebay > > member without their consent > > Can you provide the actual Ebay link to support this?? http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/privacy-policy.html Section 5 5. Your Use of Other Users' Information. In order to facilitate interaction among all eBay community members, our Site allows you limited access other users' contact and shipping information. As a seller you have access to the User ID, email address and other contact and shipping information of the buyer or winning bidder(s), and as a buyer or winning bidder you have access to the User ID, email address and other contact information of the seller. By entering into our User Agreement, you agree that, with respect to other users' personal information that you obtain through the Site or through an eBay-related communication or eBay-facilitated transaction, eBay hereby grants to you a license to use such information only for: (a) eBay-related communications that are not unsolicited commercial messages, (b) using services offered through eBay (e.g. escrow, insurance, shipping and fraud complaints), and (c) any other purpose that a user expressly agrees to after you tell them the purpose you would like to use it for. In all cases, you must give users an opportunity to remove themselves from your database and a chance to review what information you have collected about them. In addition, under no circumstances, except as defined in this Section, can you disclose personal information about another user to any third party without our consent and the consent of that user. You agree that other users may use your personal information to communicate with you in accordance with this Section. Note that law enforcement personnel, VeRO program participants, and other rights holders are given different rights with respect to information they access. eBay and our users do not tolerate spam. Therefore, without limiting the foregoing, you are not licensed to add an eBay user, even a user who has purchased an item from you, to your mail list (email or physical mail) without their express consent. To report eBay related spam to eBay, please contact us using our webform. >In order to facilitate interaction among all eBay community members, our >Site allows you limited access other users' contact and shipping >information. As a seller you have access to the User ID, email All of this refers to "personal" information. given that MH posted "public" information (i.e. the seller ID and location, both posted in a public environment), I doubt there is a real issue anyway. Had he posted the actual names and contact info, that would be different. Again, south end, north bound horse. > http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/privacy-policy.html And what part of that stops anyone from posting the info MLDHOC posted? Jimi ><SNIP> > Their email is teamjoedawn@yahoo.com [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >This is a suspendable violation, and Ebay will be notified. >User ID: mldhoc that's contrary to the spirit of a virgin prune. *Ouch* That seems a lot for p&p. You can avoid this happening though. - If the seller hasn't mentioned how much p&p is going to cost in his auction, email him and ask before bidding :) Cheers, Dave >Stay away from seller named "teamjoedawn" from Springfield Va (ebay lists them >as Montgomery-Springfield VA) [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you've >misunderstood the situation. >*Ouch* That seems a lot for p&p. > >You can avoid this happening though. - If the seller hasn't mentioned >how much p&p is going to cost in his auction, email him and ask before >bidding :) I am not objecting to paying for shipping I knew the shiping fee was high when I paid it. I was expecting a large kit to be securely packaged and possibly shipped quickly for my payment amount. I am not whining that I got taken and please help little old me get my $$ back. Just trying to do a bit of a community service and a caveat emptor for others. What's that demotivational poster from despiar.com say, "Perhaps your purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others" ? <grin> What I am objecting to paying an inflated 'handling ' charge and getting nothing more than 2 layers of recycled paper, an outer wrapping (1 layer) of brown paper for my $7.68. I don't mind a buck or even two for paper/tape costs, but I won't listen to that "It's a long and special trip to the post office" silliness. To my way of thinking, if you're the seller, you're agreeing to ship the thing. You pay for the long haul outta the lazy-boy and down to the post office. Mike please remove "diespam" to reply If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you've misunderstood the situation. While I don't have a dog in "this" fight everytime I see this discussion I don't see any mention of the shippers time. It amazes me how people can act on e-bay. Here is how several of my auctions have gone. I state that I will only ship to the lower 48 states with a set cost for priority shipping. I know about what the cost are for priority mail. Never fails the e-mails start arriving with the questions can you make an exception and ship to the other side of the world and how much would it cost? I don't know what the cost are to their part of the world. As normally happens the fella with the winning bid is one the other side of the world and he has never asked if he could bid. Now I trundle down to the PO and get a price for the agreed on air shipping with $400 dollars insurance, to which the bidder states "that's to much, how much for surface with just $200 dollars insurance." It's a 20 min drive one way to the PO and you are lucky to only stand in line for just 30 min. So for an hour and 10 min of my time, the bidder wants me to do it again. Then as a reward, the surface shipping which the bidder requested takes too long and you get the daily e-mails asking you "where is my package?" My time is not free and just because a package you get has $5 on the meter that's not what it cost to mail it to you. Just my E-bay educated 2 cents. Tim Report him to ebay? Rolling on the floor laughing my a.s off. If you got 1000 of your friends to send emails to ebay about this then you might have a chance to see him kicked off ebay. Most likley just to shut you up not because they give a rats a.s. Shipping cost too high? So what? If you don't want it bad enough then don't bid on it. If the seller jacks it up after the sale or misleads you, tell him/her to stick it. Oh my, then there go's my perfect ebay feed back. The horror, the horror. It's not a contest people, you don't need a perfect ebay feedback to get into heaven or get your seventeen virgins. If some jerk charges an extra fee to pack it right then just wraps it in an old paper bag, PLEASE tell me who he is. Screw ebay and you jerks who think ebay or you have a right to hide behind the anonymity of the net. I'm not going to fill up his email with spam. But now that I know his email you can bet that he can't hide. He can change his ebay acct but not likley he'll change his email. If he does then I hope someone posts it here. I would. One more thought. GFRIDAY you are, oh never mind your not worth it. Tim, you can use your postal service web page to get the costs. I recommend you put a pointer to it in your auctions and remind buyers that there is a charge on top of that for box and gas ! I often found *I* had to tell US Postal users how LITTLE they charge to ship with insurance to the UK. So not all "furrners" are unhelpful. So often I think US sellers are scared of shipping overseas. I won't repeat the stupid questions I get asked when I contact a seller about shipping to Scotland. Large countries always end up with provincial views - it comes with the size :-) > While I don't have a dog in "this" fight everytime I see this discussion I > don't see any mention of the shippers time. It amazes me how people can act [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > the meter that's not what it cost to mail it to you. Just my E-bay educated > 2 cents. Tim > Tim, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Large countries always end up with provincial views - it comes with the size > :-) yes a lot wont ship to the UK, and i tell them that they would get more if they did as the stuff they sell US only too is usually 10 a penny but to people in the UK its not poosible to by local. i won 6 or more wins, all the same sized kits, he did state the US shipping(like the rest did) but he tried to say the shipping was almost 30 bucks comp to 12-14 for the same size from the other sellers. I'll keep this one short. I dinally heard back from the seller, they admit and revel in taking advantage of their customers. I posted an update above. Mike please remove "diespam" to reply If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you've misunderstood the situation. |
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