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Model Forum / General / Models / November 2003Possible new Decal Printer
The only reliable decal printer was the ALPS which used a dye sublimation method of printing. Ink jets use aqueous inks that bead up on decal paper blanks and in any case are not UV light fast. Anyway saw this blurp on the Olympus P-10 printer " It's a chain reaction: first came the digital cams, now come specialized photo-only printers like the P-10. It uses dye sublimationto produce a photo-lab-quality print in just 44 seconds. olympus.com ($200)" TIME CDN ed. Nov 17, 2003. pg 72. also < http://news.designtechnica.com/article1160.html > < http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1382708,00.asp?kc=PCNKT0209KTX1K0100360 Any of you guys interested enough to buy one and experiment please post your results. > The only reliable decal printer was the ALPS which used a dye > sublimation method of printing. Ink jets use aqueous inks that bead [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Any of you guys interested enough to buy one and experiment please > post your results. While at first reading it sounds great, the question of paper come to mind. You may need special paper and how will decal file react to the heat. Frank Haven't tried it but had the same thoughts regarding the new little Sony printer. dvh > The only reliable decal printer was the ALPS which used a dye > sublimation method of printing. Ink jets use aqueous inks that bead [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Any of you guys interested enough to buy one and experiment please > post your results. But does it print white? If not, then it is not going to be much use. > The only reliable decal printer was the ALPS which used a dye > sublimation method of printing. Ink jets use aqueous inks that bead [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > also < http://news.designtechnica.com/article1160.html > < http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1382708,00.asp?kc=PCNKT0209KTX1K0100360 > Any of you guys interested enough to buy one and experiment please > post your results. > The only reliable decal printer was the ALPS which used a dye > sublimation method of printing. Ink jets use aqueous inks that bead [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Any of you guys interested enough to buy one and experiment please > post your results. There were two types of ALPS printers; one dye-sublimation and the other not. The latter was the preferred type for doing decals. Can't say why but I was told that dye-sublimation, while great for photos, was not good for decals. The best thing about the ALPS was that it would print on any medium that you could load, and would print full color on any color stock. This included white which endeared it to modelers. If the printer won't do white, it's no better than a good ink-jet with archival inks. MB The ALPS did not work in dyesub mode for decals. In it's regular mode it's fine, then it's just thermal tranfer of plastic. Okidata makes it under license in Europe and Asia. > The only reliable decal printer was the ALPS which used a dye > sublimation method of printing. Ink jets use aqueous inks that bead > up on decal paper blanks and in any case are not UV light fast. > The only reliable decal printer was the ALPS which used a dye > sublimation method of printing. Incorrect. ALPS printers use two printing methods: dye sublimation, and "micro-dry inks" which are some kind of wax or resin. The cheaper models like my MD-1000 only do the latter. I'm not sure if the dye sublimation mode would even work on decal film. It doesn't, at least I've never heard of success with it. Dyesub takes very special paper. > I'm not sure if the dye sublimation mode would even work on decal film. Dye-sub does not work for decals. First of all, the print not opaque at all. The print is meant to be on white paper, and can hardly been seen on any other color. Secondly, the heat almost always makes the decal paper melt & the ribbons stick and tear. > It doesn't, at least I've never heard of success with it. Dyesub takes > very special paper. > > > I'm not sure if the dye sublimation mode would even work on decal film. >Dye-sub does not work for decals. First of all, the print not opaque at >all. The print is meant to be on white paper, and can hardly been seen on >any other color. Secondly, the heat almost always makes the decal paper >melt & the ribbons stick and tear. Not having used any of the printers before I am just tossing around possibilities. The availability of a white decal sheet base seems to be a big problem in reproducing decals. Is it not possible to spray paint white laquer on the transparent decal sheet first? Dry, then print the decals in photo quality colour as shown in the printer ads. The ads imply that the sublimation process is superior to the ink jet. Sublimation conveys to me a printing process where micro spots of an opaque wax type ink is heat vaporized for deposition onto the print surface. > The availability of a white decal sheet base seems to be a big problem > in reproducing decals. Is it not possible to spray paint white laquer [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > conveys to me a printing process where micro spots of an opaque wax > type ink is heat vaporized for deposition onto the print surface. *That's* called 'thermal wax transfer', and WILL work with decals (but they can be thick). Dye sub is not the same thing. White decal sheet is very easy to find. http://www.fantasyprintshop.co.uk/ Nige.  SignatureDr Nigel C Eastmond nigel.eastmond_delete_this_bit@ntlworld.com http://homepage.ntlworld.com/nigel.eastmond |
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