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e - 03 Dec 2005 20:39 GMT
is the lindberg any good? you guys got me psyched to build
one.
William H. Shuey - 03 Dec 2005 22:37 GMT
Get the Roden kit!

        Bill Shuey

> is the lindberg any good? you guys got me psyched to build
> one.
e - 03 Dec 2005 23:06 GMT
>Get the Roden kit!
>
>                Bill Shuey

ok, but i already have the lindberg. bashable?
old hoodoo - 04 Dec 2005 02:02 GMT
>>Get the Roden kit!
>>
>>               Bill Shuey
>
> ok, but i already have the lindberg. bashable?

Here is a very basic statement on the lindberg kit. No major criticisms:

http://s96920072.onlinehome.us/Fea1/901-1000/Fea984_SE5_Singh/fea984.htm

"This is the Lindberg 1/48 SE 5A re issue of the unremarkable 1958 kit.
The kit is pretty basic with an oversized foster mount on the upper main
plane (although Wolsley geared Hispano Suiza engine SE 5 s had theirs
raised by 3 ½ inches to clear the prop arc) including an oversized Lewis
gun.  Both had to be pared down and a trigger wire added from the
trigger to the cockpit.  An Aldis sight was also fitted and a new
acetate windscreen to resemble the Avro windscreen fitted.  The standard
scheme of PC 10 Khaki over all upper surfaces and fabric wrapped centre
struts was achieved by using WW II Braun violet.  There are a least 20
books out there on what PC 10 (pigmented Cellulose spec 10) looked like,
but they varied in broad terms, amongst five individual preparations and
I felt that braun violet came closest to the Khaki..  The undersides
were painted a yellowish cream to represent the clear dope.  The
individual markings were hand painted and decals from the spares box
were used for the roughly hand painted fin serials.  Rigging was silk
pulled through pre drilled holes which were later filled with super glue
and paint. The four bladed 200hp airscrew was modified to resemble the
two bladed version.  The figures are white metal from Airwaves and
painted to represent the RFC Khaki green cavalry uniform with early RFC
wings.  The base is my son’s Burrago car base for his BMW Z8 covered
with some railway scenic grass sheet."
e - 04 Dec 2005 02:55 GMT
>> In article <43921E15.4138B853@starpower.net>, "William H. Shuey"
>>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>wings.  The base is my son’s Burrago car base for his BMW Z8 covered
>with some railway scenic grass sheet."

great, thanks
Mad-Modeller - 04 Dec 2005 06:49 GMT
Having had the two, I preferred the Aurora kit.  They're just a bit
harder to find now.  I forget, did Monogram re-release it in their box?

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Gray Ghost - 04 Dec 2005 05:05 GMT
Mad-Modeller <checkreplyto@nextline.com> wrote in news:43929190.C92A9BF6
@nextline.com:

> Having had the two, I preferred the Aurora kit.  They're just a bit
> harder to find now.  I forget, did Monogram re-release it in their box?
>
> Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

Yup. Got a Lindy and a Mono. Lindy is part built, but tossed it into the
finish these first pile.
Al Superczynski - 04 Dec 2005 05:23 GMT
>...I preferred the Aurora kit.  They're just a bit
>harder to find now.  I forget, did Monogram re-release it in their box?

    Yes.
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e - 04 Dec 2005 06:23 GMT
>Having had the two, I preferred the Aurora kit.  They're just a bit
>harder to find now.  I forget, did Monogram re-release it in their box?
>
>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

why do you prefer it, bill?
Mad-Modeller - 05 Dec 2005 07:36 GMT
> >Having had the two, I preferred the Aurora kit.  They're just a bit
> >harder to find now.  I forget, did Monogram re-release it in their box?
> >
> >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
>
> why do you prefer it, bill?

Probably for the 'wrong' reasons.  The Aurora kit was sturdier, possibly
suggesting the Lindberg was more accurately scaled.  Mine kept falling
apart as I was building it.  Perhaps superglues would work better than
the solvents.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
e - 05 Dec 2005 05:55 GMT
>> >Having had the two, I preferred the Aurora kit.  They're just a bit
>> >harder to find now.  I forget, did Monogram re-release it in their box?
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
i pulled the box out. i'll see if i have the same problem.
right now i'm doing the amt p61b.
first you sand it smooth.....
Mad-Modeller - 05 Dec 2005 08:05 GMT
> >Probably for the 'wrong' reasons.  The Aurora kit was sturdier, possibly
> >suggesting the Lindberg was more accurately scaled.  Mine kept falling
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> right now i'm doing the amt p61b.
> first you sand it smooth.....

Yeah, that's the old Frog kit.  The same problem existed with the Airfix
kit - Rivetpalooza!

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
e - 05 Dec 2005 06:59 GMT
>> >Probably for the 'wrong' reasons.  The Aurora kit was sturdier, possibly
>> >suggesting the Lindberg was more accurately scaled.  Mine kept falling
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
otherwise it looks like a p61 and isn't a bad build. needs
lotsa details.
Mad-Modeller - 05 Dec 2005 09:41 GMT
> Yeah, that's the old Frog kit.  The same problem existed with the Airfix
> >kit - Rivetpalooza!
> >
> >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
> otherwise it looks like a p61 and isn't a bad build. needs
> lotsa details.

IIRC, the cockpit area is a large canyon with two hard-backed chairs and
two pilots with splayed legs and their hands by their sides.  Most Frog
kits lacked interior detailling.  OTOH, the Frog was buildable as an 'A'
only.  IIRC, it lacked the upper turret just as the prototype did.  They
had a buffeting problem and tried eliminating it by removing the turret.
The Airfix kit has parts to build either way and more interior
detailling - not a lot, just more.
BTW, the Airfix Beaufighter isn't a bad kit either.  Interior details
are lacking but surface detail is very restrained.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
e - 05 Dec 2005 07:57 GMT
>> Yeah, that's the old Frog kit.  The same problem existed with the Airfix
>> >kit - Rivetpalooza!
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

never seen tha airfix beau. may have to look for one.
that is one bitchin plane. second only to the mossie for my
dream girl.
old hoodoo - 04 Dec 2005 02:07 GMT
>>Get the Roden kit!
>>
>>               Bill Shuey
>
> ok, but i already have the lindberg. bashable?

Here is another:

 http://www.wwimodeler.com/harry/chapter1/ch1-kleew-lind.htm

" [Lindbergh] SE 5a; generally good with more refined moulding than
Aurora kit but suffers from same fault of a shallow nose section.
Considering the vast amount of reference material available on this
aircraft including the full set of original Farnborough drawings, it is
surprising that such errors should persist."
Gray Ghost - 04 Dec 2005 04:38 GMT
>> In article <43921E15.4138B853@starpower.net>, "William H. Shuey"
>> <whshuey@starpower.net> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> aircraft including the full set of original Farnborough drawings, it is
> surprising that such errors should persist."

Aren't the Allied planes in The Blue Max SE5As. Good reason to pop it back
in. Someone (who should know) mentioned that they were all post war builds
not neccesarily for military use. Seems it's easy to build, plans are
available and as remarked earlier it is fairly docile, no great surprises
whilst flying, not as likely to kill you if you do make a mistake.

Yes you would think they'd have better research, but tell me how many models
made then WERE accurate?
old hoodoo - 03 Dec 2005 23:43 GMT
> is the lindberg any good? you guys got me psyched to build
> one.

Roden made/makes one in 1/48th?

 See:

http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/w1/gb/cleaverse5preview.htm
Enzo Matrix - 04 Dec 2005 09:02 GMT
old hoodoo sniggered evilly behind my back:

>> is the lindberg any good? you guys got me psyched to build
>> one.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/w1/gb/cleaverse5preview.htm

See also:

1/72  SE5a Hispano   http://kits.kitreview.com/se5ahsreviewrb_1.htm
1/72  SE5a Wolseley Viper   http://kits.kitreview.com/se5areviewrb_1.htm

1/48  SE5a Hispano   http://kits.kitreview.com/roden419reviewrb_1.htm
1/48  SE5a Wolseley Viper   http://kits.kitreview.com/roden416reviewrb_1.htm

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Enzo Matrix - 04 Dec 2005 09:49 GMT
>>> is the lindberg any good? you guys got me psyched to build
>>> one.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> 1/48  SE5a Wolseley Viper
> http://kits.kitreview.com/roden416reviewrb_1.htm

After reading those reviews, it seems that kit of choice in 1/48 scale is
the Hispano version. This has the corrected lower wing *and* all the parts
which come in the Wolseley-engined version. Therefore it seems that *any*
version of the SE5a can be built from this kit. Hannants are also selling it
at three quid cheaper than the Wolseley-engined version!

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old hoodoo - 03 Dec 2005 23:44 GMT
> is the lindberg any good? you guys got me psyched to build
> one.

also one in 1/72:

http://m2reviews.cnsi.net/reviews/w1/wentzse5.htm

Those look good enough to eat.
 
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