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Model Forum / General / Models / December 2005Last Steam Locomotives
Photos: http://english.people.com.cn/200512/09/eng20051209_226904.html "A steam locomotive, which is one of China's last batch of out-of-date locomotives, is passing a bridge in Inner Mongolia December 7. The batch of out-of-date locomotives will be out of service by the end of this year. The Jining-Tongliao railway in Inner Mongolia is the only railway in the world using steam locomotives. Since the railway was built in 1995, more than 100 steam locomotives have run along the railroad." > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >built in 1995, more than 100 steam locomotives have run along the >railroad." Last railway in the world using steam locomotives? According to http://www.steamlocomotive.com/lists/TX.shtml there are about a dozen operational steam locomotives in Texas alone. I know there are others in Colorado, Vermont, etc. JM > Last railway in the world using steam locomotives? > > According to http://www.steamlocomotive.com/lists/TX.shtml there are > about a dozen operational steam locomotives in Texas alone. I know > there are others in Colorado, Vermont, etc. Those are probably tourist/excursion railroads; the Chinese ones are actual common carriers. KL > Those are probably tourist/excursion railroads; the Chinese ones are actual > common carriers. You mean 'communist' carriers ! LOL wipe 'myass' to reply > > Last railway in the world using steam locomotives? > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > KL The Strasburg RR occasionally use their steam on freights. I think they may have bought one of those Chinsk locos since that was the last place in the world they were manufactured. This points out that now the Chinese will be using diesels almost exclusively. That'll only help to push up oil prices for everyone. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > The Strasburg RR occasionally use their steam on freights. I think they > may have bought one of those Chinsk locos since that was the last place [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. Well, they keep running out of coal miners. Rich > This points out that now the Chinese will be using diesels almost > exclusively. That'll only help to push up oil prices for everyone. Steam does not equal coal (i.e., they may have been using oil exclusively for years), but admittedly that's probably the case in China. Most large ships use steam propulsion but oil for fuel. There were a number of American steam locos that used oil. There is relief on the way though. Once avian flu becomes pandemic the Chinese economy will cool down (as it did during the SARS outbreak) and their demand for energy and raw materials will drop for quite awhile. KL >> This points out that now the Chinese will be using diesels almost >> exclusively. That'll only help to push up oil prices for everyone. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > KL The pictures linked too in the earlier (original?) post showed the tender be loaded with coal. Not a majority of the coal mined was used for this ofcourse, and will make no real dent in the use. Rich >> >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >they may have meant working frieght as opposed to pretty tourist trains. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > JM There are two in midwest, I think CN or CP (old Soo Line) runs one yearly in excursions and another, I think it is 2783, that is owned by a collector group and runs on BN trackage occasionally. You're lucky! We have a local excussion railroad, the Arcade & Attica, with some 14 miles of track. They used to have a steam locomotive, but the People's State of New York forced the to go over to diesel as "anti-pollution". They still have the steam locomotive, but it is one hell of a big paperweight! "Old Timer" <tomac1947@aol.com> wrote in news:1134316542.041709.45880 @g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > You're lucky! We have a local excussion railroad, the Arcade & Attica, > with some 14 miles of track. They used to have a steam locomotive, but > the People's State of New York forced the to go over to diesel as > "anti-pollution". They still have the steam locomotive, but it is one > hell of a big paperweight! My family is from New York, we used to property in the Catskill area, near Hunter Mountain Ski Resort. The area has been declared part of NYC watershed whcih has pretty much killed farming and any shot at other types of manufacturing etc. Of course now all the vermin who have f**ked up the city what to buy or rent vaction property and tell the locals how to do things since they clearly area't smart enough. What a bunch of crap. Last time I was up there about 5 years ago. I'm 45 years old and as long as I have consciuous memories the place hasn't changed a bit. The roads in all look the same, after of course leaving the larger populated areas. Kingston has no problem building. I don't mean that neccessarily in a good way either. Literally from outside Kingston on 28 to Phonecia and north on 214, the storefronts are virtually the same, no new construction along the roads. Doesn't mean there isn't new construction, the carpet baggers from the city like to move up into the "undeveloped areas" and build thier own little home away from home. Our property was from my great-grandfather who owned a sawmill (which burned down and portions of the stone foundation and sluiceway were still visible) and apple orchards. The family name goes back a long way. But the people I saw as a kid were dirt poor and not a thing has changed as the state is so busy telling them what not to do. It makes me want to cry, the area was so beautiful but we've washed our hands of them. Between the taxes and the state telling us what we could and could not do with our property it's just not worth it. Leave to to the lemmings who need a benevolent dictator to tell them what they want. Frank Doesn't some parts of India still use steam for normal routes?  SignatureThe Raven http://www.80scartoons.co.uk/batfinkquote.mp3 ** Now I will bring chaos to the world! Taking this a bit OT, but not far, I wish model companies would make more shelf scale (non operating) locomotive models. I have one, a kit in 1/4 inch (O scale) of an 0-8-0, by a company called IHC. And, there were the Monogram locos of HO scale, but these were pretty primitive, with the piping "molded" into the boiler. I like to model anything that moves (ships, planes, trucks, cars, etc) and would love to see more scale locomotive models. How about a modern Diesel (GE 90 or something) in 1/48 scale. A NICE kit, by Tamiya or Hasagawa or someone who would give it some detail! > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > built in 1995, more than 100 steam locomotives have run along the > railroad." > Taking this a bit OT, but not far, I wish model companies would make > more shelf scale (non operating) locomotive models. I have one, a kit [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Diesel (GE 90 or something) in 1/48 scale. A NICE kit, by Tamiya or > Hasagawa or someone who would give it some detail! Revell Germany does a range of locomotives http://www.revell.de/typo3/en/products/model_kits/catalogue/article/?id=146&cmd= show&KZSLPG=0807&KOSCHL=08&L=1&mas=&sort= that includes a UP "Big Boy" and a New York Central Hudson. The rest are German State Railways, though. They are HO scale, about 1:87 Minicraft do Trevithick's loco, Stephenson's Rocket and an 1872 Vulcan Saddleback. They are "box-scale", all different. http://www.minicraftmodels.com/Educational.htm http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/index.php?CATEGORY=&DIVISION=&MANUFACTURER=Mini craft&TYPE=Train+kits&order%5B%5D=arrived+desc&order%5B%5D=code+asc&CODE=&SCALE= &KEYWORD=&NUMPERPAGE=25 A company called Rosebud Kitmaster did a range of locomotive, rolling stock and lineside kits many years ago. They were bought by Airfix, and later the train kits went to a company called Dapol, who still produce them. http://www.dapol.co.uk/cgi-bin/dapol-direct/commerce.cgi?page=dapol00/kits.html They are all British items, of course. All are OO scale, about 1:76. Hope this is some help..... MPC did do a 1/25th "General" and I remember another mfr. releasing some crew figures in that scale. I know what you mean, Don. About all that's left of my HO stock is a pair of dummies and some cabins, er, cabooses(cabeese?). Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. About all that's left of my HO stock is a > pair of dummies and some cabins, er, cabooses(cabeese?). > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. ROFLMAO! I'll be adding that word to my lexicon. Beers, The Keeper > Revell Germany does a range of locomotives > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Minicraft do Trevithick's loco, Stephenson's Rocket and an 1872 Vulcan > Saddleback. They are "box-scale", all different. The Revell ones are pretty bad, though- piping and stuff is molded to boiler. Detail is not that sharp. The Minicraft ones are something else. Those are really nice and I have them all. >> Revell Germany does a range of locomotives >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > The Minicraft ones are something else. Those are really nice and I have > them all. The chimney on the Minicraft Rocket has always bothered me. http://www.ihmpmuk.com/04_etkinlikler/klup/arayarisma_01_2004/images/C1/C1_1.jpg It is so strongly tapered, looking like an inverted cone. The original is parallel-sided. It makes a big difference to the overall appearance. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.walker6/trains/rocket1.htm > The chimney on the Minicraft Rocket has always bothered me. http://www.ihmpmuk.com/04_etkinlikler/klup/arayarisma_01_2004/images/C1/C1_1.jpg > It is so strongly tapered, looking like an inverted cone. The original > is parallel-sided. It makes a big difference to the overall appearance. > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.walker6/trains/rocket1.htm Just to clarify, the chimney of the original locomotive does not survive, the entire machine pictured in the last link is one of the many replicas of Stephensons Rocket. The original Rocket was a working machine and as such was extrensively modified suring it's working life. When rescued for preservation around 1857, it was in a derelict state. By this time it had acquired a smokebox, with a number of different chimneys having been used (none of which survived). A well known drawing was produced by J.D. Wardale in 1858-9, this attempted to recreate the original appearance of Rocket. The chimney shown in this drawing has a taper in the manner of the Minicraft model, though it is certainly more exagerated in the case of the model. The fact is that no-one can be certain what the original chimney looked like. As the locomotive's external appearance had been extensively modified within a year of it's construction (and well before the emergence of photography), the frontal aspect can only be speculated on. With no works drawings and only crude contemporary sketches, who knows what is actually correct? I think the problem is that people have a familiar view of what Rocket "should" look like. To anyone who has an interest in early steam locomotives, I can recommend "The Engineering and History of Rocket - a survey report" by Michael R Bailey and John P Glitheroe. This book is published by the National Railway Museum and is the result of an extensive archaeological study. OK, I know that's gone off on a wide tangent, but I am working on a fine scale model of Rocket, just to bring things back on track... Cheers, Bill Davies. >> The chimney on the Minicraft Rocket has always bothered me. >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > in this drawing has a taper in the manner of the Minicraft model, though it > is certainly more exagerated in the case of the model. As you say, the original does not survive, it was used as an experimental engine by the Stephensons. Locomotion No.1 does survive, and has a parallel chimney. It is reasonable to assume that chimney fabrication, from sheet metal, would not have changed much in the years from Locomotion to Rocket. I think the tapered, or stepped appearance is due to each layer of plates being applied over the top of the ones below, increasing the diameter by 2x the thickness of the plate at each step. The Minicraft chimney appears to be made from armour plate! > The fact is that no-one can be certain what the original chimney looked > like. As the locomotive's external appearance had been extensively modified > within a year of it's construction (and well before the emergence of > photography), the frontal aspect can only be speculated on. With no works > drawings and only crude contemporary sketches, who knows what is actually > correct? True. I am going by what I know of the look of items fabricated out of sheet metal, which could be wrong. > I think the problem is that people have a familiar view of what Rocket > "should" look like. To anyone who has an interest in early steam [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Cheers, > Bill Davies. The ESM 72 database for locomotives and rollng stock stands at 337. This includes all materials from plastic to metal and includes 1/72-1/76 (OO gauge). There are very few 1/72 railway kits, mostly of miltiary subjects. The various OO items are few and far between in the US. The travelling model railway shows have been the source of most of mne. Next show in this area is at the Marin Civic Center on December 17-18. Airfix boxed OO engines and rolling stock usuall yshowup at these shows and usually at pretty fair prices. Tom > The Minicraft chimney appears to be made from armour plate! . Shades of the old Aurora rivet heads! . ...................................The Old Timer >>The Minicraft chimney appears to be made from armour plate! > > . > Shades of the old Aurora rivet heads! > . > ...................................The Old Timer Actually, locomotives are one place where large rivet heads look okay. Some of the rivet detail I've seen on some airplane kits would look much better on a locomotive. The older engines used some pretty big rivets :-) |
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