Major problems with a wash

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Zhukov G. - 12 Dec 2005 14:43 GMT

Hi folks,
I am an amateur modeller. I am currently building an Accurate
Minitures IL-2, however I have never really done any washes before on
scale aircraft, only on 1/32 vehicles, which has always gone ok. I did
an oil wash thinned with white spirit last night, however I am left
with residue over some of the paint work, plus it looks a bit messy. I
tried using white spirit (which is just mineral spirits) to get rid
of it, but no luck. As far as I am concerned now, my model looks good
from a distance but plain awful close up.
Should I try and airbrush another coat of paint, or is there another
way of cleaning this up?

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Greg Heilers - 13 Dec 2005 00:33 GMT

> Hi folks,
> I am an amateur modeller. I am currently building an Accurate
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>
> Thanks

Several questions first:

1) What kind of paints did you paint the model with?

2) Is this "residue" embedded into the paint? Is it a "staining";
or just a difference of sheen on that spot? (It is hard to determine,
exactly, from the photos)

3) Do you have a full set of oil colors? (You could mix up a bit of oil
to match your green and tan; and dab a little in the "messed-up"
areas; blending the edges. A flat coat should then even everything
out)

4) Did you apply the wash over the entire model? If so, try instead
a controlled "pin wash" using a 00 or 000 brush; accentuating *only*
the panel lines and control surfaces. This cuts down on the "mess"
quite a bit.

:o)

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Zhukov G. - 13 Dec 2005 21:19 GMT

>> Hi folks,
>> I am an amateur modeller. I am currently building an Accurate
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>
>:o)

Hi Greg,

Airbrushed with Tamiya Acrylics. The residue or staining appeared
after I tried to get rid of the wash 'mess' with white spirit and a
q-tip. I never realised that the wash could dry so quick after
application...hence my panic attempts to rectify the splodges straight
away. With vehicles, the grooves are deeper and I never have run into
this problem before. With the IL-2, the panel lines were small and
narrow, hence the wash ran over the lines onto the paint work. Very
messy.

I dont have a full set of oil colours, no. The wash was only applied
over both wings, the rest of the model is ok.

I guess this is a case of live and learn. I have brought some 000
brushes, and some water soluble oil paints, or i might even use a
water based wash using flat black acrylic.

How to rectify my IL-2 ... well I might try a respray over the wings
with the base colour and try again. Do you think this is a good idea?
Or would a coat of flat clear make a difference? Thanks

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John McGrail - 13 Dec 2005 21:27 GMT

> Airbrushed with Tamiya Acrylics. The residue or staining appeared
> after I tried to get rid of the wash 'mess' with white spirit and a
> q-tip.

Did you spray some clear gloss after the acrylics but before the wash?
Something like Future can help with wash mistake cleanup without
affecting the underlying paint (depending on what you clean the
wash up with!).

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Zhukov G. - 13 Dec 2005 23:36 GMT

>> Airbrushed with Tamiya Acrylics. The residue or staining appeared
>> after I tried to get rid of the wash 'mess' with white spirit and a
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>affecting the underlying paint (depending on what you clean the
>wash up with!).

umm, no (make mental note 101...).

Only solution is to re-paint..?

Thanks

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Yuri - 14 Dec 2005 09:50 GMT

>>> Airbrushed with Tamiya Acrylics. The residue or staining appeared
>>> after I tried to get rid of the wash 'mess' with white spirit and a
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>
>Thanks

Seems like the wash softened the paint and got "embedded" in it. It
happens if the paintjob isn't fully cured or the wash thinner is too
"hot". That's why an acrylic clearcoat is useful before an enamel
wash.

If the wash is embedded in the paint I don't think you can remove it,
but If it's only in some areas maybe you can "cover it" spraying a
very light coat of the original color.

My 0.02

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Rich - 14 Dec 2005 10:55 GMT

>>>> Airbrushed with Tamiya Acrylics. The residue or staining appeared
>>>> after I tried to get rid of the wash 'mess' with white spirit and a
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> Yuri Rambelli

Granted, only able to judge from your close-ups (which were terrific BTW) it
really didn't look that bad. Additional weathering will actually blend out
the staining. At least helpful in (and sorry for the pun) camouflaging the
staining. The IL-2 was not the cleanest plane, especially on that front.

Hope this helps, and I look forward to seeing the whole thing when you are
done!

Rich

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Zhukov G. - 14 Dec 2005 13:30 GMT

>>>>> Airbrushed with Tamiya Acrylics. The residue or staining appeared
>>>>> after I tried to get rid of the wash 'mess' with white spirit and a
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>Rich

Thanks for the tips folks, I will keep you informed.

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