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Twin Merlin a/c other than Mosquito?

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Jim Atkins - 14 Dec 2005 16:01 GMT
A buddy of mine was talking to a co-worker (he's building satellites at
Northrop Grumman in Redondo Beach now- loves his job) and they got to
wondering if anything other than the Mossie flew with twin Merlins- the only
thing I could find was the Westland Welkin high-altitude fighter. The
Whirlwind used RR Peregrines. I'm still a touch loopy on meds after some
surgery and may have missed something- anybody else got an idea?

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Gondor - 14 Dec 2005 16:30 GMT
>A buddy of mine was talking to a co-worker (he's building satellites at
>Northrop Grumman in Redondo Beach now- loves his job) and they got to
>wondering if anything other than the Mossie flew with twin Merlins- the
>only thing I could find was the Westland Welkin high-altitude fighter. The
>Whirlwind used RR Peregrines. I'm still a touch loopy on meds after some
>surgery and may have missed something- anybody else got an idea?

Are  you talking about RR engines or just the RR Merlin?

if the former then you have the Avro Manchester that used the Vulture, the
de Havilland Hornet used Griffins. If the latter there was the MkII version
of the Beufighter, there was also several versions of the Vickers Wellington
and also the Armstrong Whitworth Whitley.
There could be more but I cant think of any others off the top of My head.

Gondor
Jim Atkins - 14 Dec 2005 17:10 GMT
Tnanks- should have thought of the Beau. That's why I'm just watching TV
instead of modeling- I really don't want to find out I painted a cockpit
heliotrope or something else equally clueless, not to mention the problems
with mixing pain meds and anything made by X-acto!

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frank - 14 Dec 2005 17:26 GMT
I think the original P-82 had Merlins. There was a P-38 version (P-49?)
that had Merlins I think, whether it flew or not I don't recall. Wasn't
there a strange looking Royal Navy beast that used Merlins? Or were
they Griffons? I thought the Hornet used suped up Merlins. The CASA
2111(?)/Spanish He-111 used Merlins.
Syke - 14 Dec 2005 18:53 GMT
>I think the original P-82 had Merlins. There was a P-38 version (P-49?)
> that had Merlins I think, whether it flew or not I don't recall. Wasn't
> there a strange looking Royal Navy beast that used Merlins? Or were
> they Griffons? I thought the Hornet used suped up Merlins. The CASA
> 2111(?)/Spanish He-111 used Merlins.

Wasn't
there a strange looking Royal Navy beast that used Merlins?

That would be the Short Sturgeon target tug.

P J Macguire
frank - 14 Dec 2005 19:08 GMT
Yep, that would be!
Jonathan Stilwell - 14 Dec 2005 19:16 GMT
> I think the original P-82 had Merlins. There was a P-38 version (P-49?)
> that had Merlins I think, whether it flew or not I don't recall. Wasn't
> there a strange looking Royal Navy beast that used Merlins? Or were
> they Griffons? I thought the Hornet used suped up Merlins. The CASA
> 2111(?)/Spanish He-111 used Merlins.

Vickers Wellington Mk2 (& Mk6)
AW Whitley Mks IV, V & VII
de Havilland Hornet
Westland Welkin
Bristol Beaufighter Mk2 (& MkV)
Shorts Sturgeon (the Royal Navy beast)
CASA 2111
Vickers Type 432 F7/41
North American XP-82, P-82B & P-82C Twin Mustang

plus any Lancaster, Lancastrian or Lincoln testbed that had the outboard
engines replaced by other piston / turbojet / turboprop engines.

Jon.
Jessie C - 14 Dec 2005 21:46 GMT
> with mixing pain meds and anything made by X-acto!

I thought that was a cause and effect relationship...

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frank - 14 Dec 2005 17:30 GMT
According to several Google results, the Hornet did use Merlins, not
Griffons.
Claus Gustafsen - 14 Dec 2005 20:10 GMT
The Hornet used Merlin 133/134 engines in slimmed down nacelles. Not
Griffons, just look how much bigger the late Spit's are with Griffons.
The Beaufighter Mk II and V (Test mainly) used to Merlins as well.

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>>A buddy of mine was talking to a co-worker (he's building satellites at
>>Northrop Grumman in Redondo Beach now- loves his job) and they got to
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> de Havilland Hornet used Griffins. If the latter there was the MkII
> version of the Beufighter, there was also several versions of the
Vickers
> Wellington and also the Armstrong Whitworth Whitley.
> There could be more but I cant think of any others off the top of My head.
>
> Gondor

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Gondor - 14 Dec 2005 23:03 GMT
ok, so I got the engine in the Hornet wrong, but I did not bad just streight
from memory

Gondor
Mad-Modeller - 15 Dec 2005 06:46 GMT
> >A buddy of mine was talking to a co-worker (he's building satellites at
> >Northrop Grumman in Redondo Beach now- loves his job) and they got to
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Gondor

Whirlwind with Peregrines.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
frank - 15 Dec 2005 17:32 GMT
Which aren't Merlins.
Mad-Modeller - 16 Dec 2005 06:28 GMT
> Which aren't Merlins.

You are quite right.  I didn't quote 'Gondor' who mentioned other R-R
twins but left out the Whirlwind.  I jumped in with that because I've
always found that one fascinating and I wonder as Bill S. does below
what they could have done with Merlins.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
William H. Shuey - 15 Dec 2005 18:42 GMT
> Whirlwind with Peregrines.

    I've often wondered what a Whirlwind would have been capable of with
twin Merlins. Anybody ever see any prospective performance figures from
Westland or the R.A.E.??  For that matter, I've also been curious what a
Lockheed P-38 with Merlin 61s would have been capable of?

                            Bill Shuey
Don Stauffer - 15 Dec 2005 15:31 GMT
> A buddy of mine was talking to a co-worker (he's building satellites at
> Northrop Grumman in Redondo Beach now- loves his job) and they got to
> wondering if anything other than the Mossie flew with twin Merlins- the only
> thing I could find was the Westland Welkin high-altitude fighter. The
> Whirlwind used RR Peregrines. I'm still a touch loopy on meds after some
> surgery and may have missed something- anybody else got an idea?

The Spanish AF had He-111s equipped with twin Merlins.  These were used
as German aircraft in the movie Battle of Britain.
frank - 15 Dec 2005 17:33 GMT
Those are the CASA 2111s.
 
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