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Model Forum / General / Models / December 2005VERY OT! (music recording question)
Guys, I know some of you are into re-recording LPs etc. I'm toying with the idea of digitising some of my Dad's old 33s onto CD for him - any hints, relevant sites you can recommend etc. All constructive replies gratefully recieved. RobG > Guys, > I know some of you are into re-recording LPs etc. I'm toying with the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > RobG Oops - contact me off-group if you prefer. r_grinberg<at>mackay<dot>net<dot>au TIA RobG >> Guys, >> I know some of you are into re-recording LPs etc. I'm [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > RobG Hi Rob, Most souncards will have a stereo mini-jack connector, and it's fairly easy to acquire a connecting cable with the mini-jack plug, and 2 phono sockets at the other end; this gets the sound into the PC. Once you've sorted the connections, you're half way there. I'd recommend (having used it for many different audio edit jobs), "Magix Audio Cleaning Lab" software. This'll take off clicks, scratches and other extraneous noises with little effort. It's budget software and costs about GBP20 (say 6 beers ;) but works very well despite that. It has an easy to use interface, with either auto or manual cleaning functions, together with a full audio editor if needed. Once you're satisfied with the startling clarity you've achieved, then the .wav files can be burnt to CD. HTH Chek . > Most souncards will have a stereo mini-jack connector, and > it's fairly easy to acquire > a connecting cable with the mini-jack plug, and 2 phono > sockets at the other end; this > gets the sound into the PC. Once you've sorted the > connections, you're half way there. However, these connections are for line level or mike level inputs, not phono cartridge outputs. Best bet is to run input into high fi amp having phono inputs, take line level output from amp and run into sound card. > . >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > run input into high fi amp having phono inputs, take line > level output from amp and run into sound card. Thanks for pointing that out Don. Yes, I had meant that the phonos should be connected to the amp outputs - although there are some fancy pre-amp units out there for the seriously afflicted too. "Chek" <chek_16@boosinternet.com> wrote > Thanks for pointing that out Don. > Yes, I had meant that the phonos should be connected to the > amp > outputs - although there are some fancy pre-amp units out > there for the > seriously afflicted too. Dick Smith sell a turnrable/pre-amp setup that isn't too shabby, but I'll stick with my Denon, I think. RobG Don Stauffer <stauffer@usfamily.net> wrote > However, these connections are for line level or mike level inputs, not > phono cartridge outputs. Best bet is to run input into high fi amp > having phono inputs, take line level output from amp and run into sound > card. Thanks Don - will do. RobG "Chek" <chek_16@boosinternet.com> wrote >Once you've sorted the > connections, you're half way there. Already sorted - we're an electronic family. More conectors, test leads, jumper cables, adapters, plugs and converters than you've ever seen. (c: And my mo-bo has really good on-board sound. >It's budget software and costs > about GBP20 (say 6 beers ;) but works very well despite > that. Do I need the 6 beers to access all the functions? (c; >Once you're satisfied with the > startling clarity you've achieved, then the .wav > files can be burnt to CD. Ahh so. Thanks for the advice. RobG Free "clean up" software here: www.audacity.sourceforge.net I have converted quite a few cassettes and LP's with the software that came with my soundblaster card and this program.  SignatureM Stanley Webmaster: Pelikan Model Club www.percongrp.com/pelikan.htm . > Guys, > I know some of you are into re-recording LPs etc. I'm toying with the idea [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > RobG > Free "clean up" software here: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > software that came with my soundblaster card and this > program. Audacity is a great freeware program, but not something I'd recommend to a starter, in that the filters and plugins - while super in operation - aren't very intuitive to use. But nothing that's beyond the ken of a desperate man ;) "Chek" <chek_16@boosinternet.com> wrote > Audacity is a great freeware program, but not something I'd > recommend > to a starter, in that the filters and plugins - while super > in operation - aren't > very intuitive to use. > But nothing that's beyond the ken of a desperate man ;) I isn't desperate... yet. But I'm sure I'll be able to work it all out - I'm not very intuitive, either. I'll have a look at both recommended programs. RobG >"Chek" <chek_16@boosinternet.com> wrote >> Audacity is a great freeware program, but not something I'd [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >RobG email me for the beginners guide to digitizing vinyl. and other things.... > email me for the beginners guide to digitizing vinyl. > and other things.... Can't send you mail. I would have asked you for the guide too. Signaturemvh Uffe >>Free "clean up" software here: >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > very intuitive to use. > But nothing that's beyond the ken of a desperate man ;) Best advice it so start with a quality LP, and a quality turntable. My B&O usually gives me a clean enough playback that I don't use any cleanup or filtering. Of course, if you have an analog noise reducer like a HUSH IICX (now I'm dating myself...) you can throw it in line. Signature- Rufus > Free "clean up" software here: > > www.audacity.sourceforge.net > > I have converted quite a few cassettes and LP's with the software that came > with my soundblaster card and this program. Second - I love Audacity! Signature- Rufus > > Free "clean up" software here: > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Second - I love Audacity! I'll third that! Audacity is a free power-tool. It may not be a no-brainer to use, but once you get it figured out it's amazing what you can do. I used it yesterday to put a soundtrack together for an old 8mm movie. Ten songs that fade one to the next. When I found that one didn't play well against the film I cut it out and spliced in another song in it's place. Took me an hour to pick out the songs, but five minutes to put it together. Doug Wagner >Guys, >I know some of you are into re-recording LPs etc. I'm toying with the idea [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >RobG yes, send them to me and i will do it. no charge for rms members. > yes, send them to me and i will do it. > no charge for rms members. You ever listened to Richard Tauber? RobG >> yes, send them to me and i will do it. >> no charge for rms members. > >You ever listened to Richard Tauber? > >RobG don't think so. nothing in the archives. >Guys, >I know some of you are into re-recording LPs etc. I'm toying with the idea [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >RobG i emailed you. also send me a list of records in case i have or can get them. much is out there on cd and i have access. > Guys, > I know some of you are into re-recording LPs etc. I'm toying with the idea [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > RobG Here's a fantastic FREE program to use for such: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ What I like about Audacity (besides the fact that it's FREE) is that it is also a waveform editor, will do multi-track recording, can use VST plug-ins, supports multiple audio formats (I'd recommend using .AIFF for your rips te get the best quality), and is hosted cross/multi-platform. You'll need a way to get the signal from the turntable into your computer - but if you have an audio in on your machine, you're most of the way there. Just hook your preamp or receiver headphone out to your computer's audio in and route the signal. Signature- Rufus Rob: there's an excellent video walkthrough of converting vinyl to digital on CNet. And it's pretty much on the ball. http://reviews.cnet.com/Turn_LPs_into_digital_media_files_Getting_started/4660-7 899_7-6219275.html?tag=vid Play the videos in this order: Getting Started Making Connections Adjust Volume Begin Recording. One minute of true CD-quality stereo audio takes about 10MBs of hard drive space. (that's 420MBs for both sides of a 42min album) You should consider adding an additional hard drive if you're thinking multiple albums. Capturing and digitally cleaning up (removing clicks, pops, and noise reduction) ripped vinyl tracks could tie up your computer extensively. And (IMHO) it's not one of those tasks that you can do while surfing in the background. Ideally, this is a task you can let a spare or older computer do.. even a Pentium III can handle the job with enough disk space (it just takes much longer to clean up tracks) Record as hot (loud) as you can- that is as close to zero/red on the meters without going over. Don't expect the moon. The minijack line input on most sound cards/computers isn't exactly the cleanest way to get audio into your computer- but it is the cheapest. A bad phono cartridge/stylus will make any recording problematic (and the low end practically non-existent) And sometimes there's dirt and crap in an LP's grooves that may prove impossible to clean out. You can make great Vinyl "rips"...but for most people it's not worth the time and work involved. Sat > Rob: > > there's an excellent video walkthrough of converting vinyl to digital > on CNet. And it's pretty much on the ball. http://reviews.cnet.com/Turn_LPs_into_digital_media_files_Getting_started/4660-7 899_7-6219275.html?tag=vid > Play the videos in this order: > Getting Started [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Sat Thanks for that. Maybe you can offer some advice on the following problem. I'm trying to rip some music from a cassette tape. I have connected the headphone socket of a "Walkman" type cassette player to the microphone socket on the computer (the only "input" socket on my laptop). I can capture the sound OK but there is a LOT of background noise. I don't know if the poor recording is caused by the source (i.e. the "Walkman") or by the input (i.e. using the microphone socket instead of a "Line In" socket). TIA Ultan >>Rob: >> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > TIA > Ultan You may be overdriving your input - try dialing the volume out of your cassette deck back, and then boosting it on the computer side if needed; i.e. - balance the input. (Here's another plug for Audacity - it has both input and output VU meters...) Also check to see if you have the treble boosted. You may also want to try different cables...cables "go bad" for no appearant reason around recording gear. Also be sure you have the deck's noise reduction engaged on the deck for playback... Signature- Rufus > Thanks for that. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > TIA > Ultan The problem with using speaker (i.e. headphone outputs) rather than a line output is not only that the signal level is too high, but also the impedance is too high. Reducing the signal level (i.e. output volume) doesn't address the 'hi Z' issue. For best results, a filter commonly called a 'DI box' (for Direct Injection) is needed. An electronics whizz to put one together, or you could see if your local friendly neighbourhood group/band has one they can lend you, or a music store will sell a battery powered one fairly cheaply (about GBP30 - or 10 beers using my preferred universal currency translator). >>Thanks for that. >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > one fairly cheaply (about GBP30 - or 10 beers using my > preferred universal currency translator). ...or you can pick up a Griffin iMic and convert from the line/headphone signal to a USB input. I believe the iMic will buffer the signal to a reasonable level. http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/imic2/index.php Signature- Rufus > Maybe you can offer some advice on the following problem. > > I'm trying to rip some music from a cassette tape. I have connected the > headphone socket of a "Walkman" type cassette player to the microphone > socket on the computer (the only "input" socket on my laptop). I can capture > the sound OK but there is a LOT of background noise. I've ran into that problem before trying to record into my Dell Inspiron 4000. Some laptop mic inputs are simply not true stereo line-ins. A correct stereo mini plug should have *two* rings- and I found that the mic-in on my notebook was set up for a single ring plug. I could still record stereo into the computer, but it was dirty and noisy as all get out and proved to be unusuable. Sat >>Maybe you can offer some advice on the following problem. >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Sat One more argument for getting a Mac...presently waiting delivery of a new 15" BTO Powerbook. Which even has an optical audio in on it...which suprised even a die-hard Mac-addict like myself. Planning on making it a portable addition to my recording studio and guitar rig. Signature- Rufus > Record as hot (loud) as you can- that is as close to zero/red on the > meters without going over. > > Sat In the old cassette days we used to record as hot as possible to increase the signal to noise ratio, as tape hiss was an ever-present annoyance. With a decent sound board the noise floor is so low as to effectively non-existent. I started recording with my PC using the old tapedeck sensibilities (drive 'er just short of clipping) and got some nasty sounding recordings. Now I keep 'er in the green, and if I find the recording is too low, I can increase the level in the digital domain with Audacity or another free program MP3Gain. fwiw Doug Wagner |
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