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B-18 Bolo, new kit, old kit, have a fit...

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The Keeper - 21 Dec 2005 08:33 GMT
Well, I'd heard that an injection B-18 was in the planning stages but
just to hurry it along I bought the Squadron Airmodel vac conversion at
a swap meet.It was cheap but missing the clear parts. Kits been
discontinued for ages, no help from Airmodel. Any of you put this
together back in the day? It gives you three choices of noses; I'm
hoping you've still got the extras in your stash (from a hobby store
long ago and far away.)
Throw it away and hell you'll pay...
The Keeper
Greg Heilers - 22 Dec 2005 02:15 GMT
> Well, I'd heard that an injection B-18 was in the planning stages but
> just to hurry it along I bought the Squadron Airmodel vac conversion at
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Throw it away and hell you'll pay...
> The Keeper

What all does this kit give you?  And does it look as if it
is easily combineable with one's preferred DC-3/C-47 kit?
I believe Execuform may have also released a 1/72nd vac-form
as well.  If so, the clear parts (if up to their usual standards)
would be *excellent*.  As far as a current address for Execuform,
that is a mystery to me.  Back in 1998, I ordered a few
replacement clear-parts for items I had misplaced, and he
sent them to me promptly, and "on-the-house" - his usual
great service.  The address back then was:

Execuform
PO Box 347
Cedar Glen, CA 92321-0347
909-337-6672

Hopefully, he is still around, as his kits, though *very*
basic, were still *very* nice.


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"The way I see it, I figure the YANKEES had
something to do with it."

- Maj. Gen. George Pickett, when asked
where the fault lie for the Confederacy's
loss at Gettysburg

Greg Heilers - 22 Dec 2005 02:31 GMT
>> Well, I'd heard that an injection B-18 was in the planning stages but
>> just to hurry it along I bought the Squadron Airmodel vac conversion at
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> Hopefully, he is still around, as his kits, though *very*
> basic, were still *very* nice.

Here is another address, which appears to be more
up-to-date:

Execuform
PO Box 7853
Laguna Niguel, CA 92607-2146
714-495-0705

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Greg Heilers
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"The way I see it, I figure the YANKEES had
something to do with it."

- Maj. Gen. George Pickett, when asked
where the fault lie for the Confederacy's
loss at Gettysburg

Greg Heilers - 22 Dec 2005 02:53 GMT
Lo and behold, here are some photos of the afore-mentioned
Execuform kit, completed with the help of an Italeri
C-47:

http://webpark.cz/lima/db18.htm

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Greg Heilers
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"The way I see it, I figure the YANKEES had
something to do with it."

- Maj. Gen. George Pickett, when asked
where the fault lie for the Confederacy's
loss at Gettysburg

tomcervo - 22 Dec 2005 03:29 GMT
Was "Bolo" an official or Douglas nickname? Because back then "Bolo"
was short for bolshevik--it mean deadbeat, subversive and all around
pain in the a.s
Greg Heilers - 22 Dec 2005 03:46 GMT
> Was "Bolo" an official or Douglas nickname? Because back then "Bolo"
> was short for bolshevik--it mean deadbeat, subversive and all around
> pain in the a.s

It is also of Spanish and/or Filipino origin, meaning
a large machete-like knife.  It's also the name for those cool
little turquoise and silver, and shoestring neckties that
"real" Texans wear (* grin *).

A very cool plane; that actually saw postwar service with the
airline industry (usually in the cargo capacity).  One of the
great "unknowns" is whether or not it ever saw hostile
action in the opening stages of WW-II.  It was deployed
throughout the Pacific, but records in those frantic opening
months were, as they say, "spotty".

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Greg Heilers
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"The way I see it, I figure the YANKEES had
something to do with it."

- Maj. Gen. George Pickett, when asked
where the fault lie for the Confederacy's
loss at Gettysburg

WmB - 22 Dec 2005 04:00 GMT
"Greg Heilers" <gNOSPAMheilers@earthNOSPAMlink.net> wrote in message of
> One of the great "unknowns" is whether or not it ever saw hostile
> action in the opening stages of WW-II.

You mean aside from being shot up as ground-bound cannon fodder. ;-)

B-18s re-equipped for ASW service with MAD detectors, radar, etc (RCAF
"Digbys" and USAAF B-18Bs) accounted for the loss of a couple of Adolf's
U-boats early in the war.

WmB
e - 30 Dec 2005 01:13 GMT
>> Was "Bolo" an official or Douglas nickname? Because back then "Bolo"
>> was short for bolshevik--it mean deadbeat, subversive and all around
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>throughout the Pacific, but records in those frantic opening
>months were, as they say, "spotty".

bolos are also very famous autonomous armored fighting
vehicles by author keith laumer. they are 150 ton
intelligent monters units. i would love for someone to model
one. my skills aren't there yet.
see the book bolo by laumer.
they are amazing, sentient machines with a sense of humor.
anyone up for a challenge? cookie?
there are many bolo stories and books. tredheads will love
thm.
Bruce Burden - 30 Dec 2005 03:29 GMT
: bolos are also very famous autonomous armored fighting
: vehicles by author keith laumer. they are 150 ton
: intelligent monters units.

    I thought about doing a 1/35 scale Bolo Mk XXX, until I
  realized that the MODEL would be 10 METERS long. :-]

    To make a practical sized model of a Mk XXX, you would
  have to go to 1/350 scale.

                            Bruce
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e - 30 Dec 2005 18:09 GMT
>: bolos are also very famous autonomous armored fighting
>: vehicles by author keith laumer. they are 150 ton
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>                                                        Bruce

that would still be an impressive model.
love to see it.
the xxx's and xxxi's are my faves, though a model of johnny
, (jne 1) would be very cool. one could probably bash a mark
1a1a into one of the early 1 or 2 man hybrids.
maybe some day....
Brian Burr Chin - 31 Dec 2005 06:18 GMT
Now the only real question is: just when is the B-18 kit coming out?
The Collector - 22 Dec 2005 06:30 GMT
> What all does this kit give you?  And does it look as if it
> is easily combineable with one's preferred DC-3/C-47 kit?

Actually, for a really accurate B-18, it might be better to start with
a DC-2 kit such as MPM's.  I don't know how the B-18 conversion
components break down or if all the necessary fiddly bits are there,
but the B-18 is DEFINITELY more "DC-2 like" rather than "DC-3/C-47
like".  Not surprising since the B-18 design was based on the DC-2
airliner.  This is particularly noticeable around the engine nacelles.

I'm a volunteer at the Wings Over The Rockies Museum in Denver and we
have a Douglas B-18A Bolo in our collection.  It was possible to do a
direct comparison between our B-18A and a DC-3/C-47 (actually an
airworthy C-41A used by Gen Hap Arnold) because the Museum had both
aircraft in its posession (the C-41A was recently sold).  The B-18A
currently on display had a pretty undistinguished military career but
its civilian life was more colorful.  After the war it was used as a
crop duster/cargo hauler and acquired a solid nose to replace the
bombardier glass.  It was impounded in the early '60s after it was
discovered smuggling guns to Cuba.  After that, it went to Cannon AFB
where it's believed it was placed on display.  It was acquired by the
Lowry AFB Heritage Museum in the mid-80s and the metal shop at Lowry
fabricated a somewhat inaccurate glass nose replacement.  It became
part of the Wings Over The Rockies Museum's collection when Lowry AFB
closed in 1994.  Photos and info about our B-18A Bolo is available at:
http://www.wingsmuseum.org/b-18a.php

Martin
The Keeper - 22 Dec 2005 09:02 GMT
The transkit is rather simple and consists of the fuselage and the
clear parts. They indicate using the Airfix C-47 which was about all
that was available at the time. I was hoping to find some Airmodel
parts as chiseling the guy at Execuform for parts when I don't even
have his kit isn't the most honest way to go. I suppose I could offer
him a few bucks. I'm envisioning fit issues between the two kits.

Execuform makes nice stuff, I've had a few of their products through my
hands but never built one. Most of them are drape molded which means
there's no exterior detail. The pix of the finished kit look nice.

The one in the WOR Museum looks slick, I saw a similar one at Pima in
2004 (where's that disk?) That's the version I'd prefer to model. Not
many books available on this beast.

Hoping one of you has a piece or two...
The Keeper
William H. Shuey - 30 Dec 2005 03:26 GMT
> Well, I'd heard that an injection B-18 was in the planning stages but
> just to hurry it along I bought the Squadron Airmodel vac conversion at
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Throw it away and hell you'll pay...
> The Keeper

Speaking of the B-18. Any of you ever see that old groaner "Bombardier"
with Pat O'Brien and Randolph Scott? Real wartime B/S! But lots of
scenes of B-18s as trainers.

                        Bill Shuey
Mad-Modeller - 30 Dec 2005 05:58 GMT
> > Well, I'd heard that an injection B-18 was in the planning stages but
> > just to hurry it along I bought the Squadron Airmodel vac conversion at
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>                                                 Bill Shuey

Is that the one where Scott ends up on the ground at a Japanese target,
thus ensuring his own death?  I haven't seen that one in a looong time.
I can't even recall the aircraft in it.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
William H. Shuey - 30 Dec 2005 18:06 GMT
That's the one!!

        Bill shuey

> > > Well, I'd heard that an injection B-18 was in the planning stages but
> > > just to hurry it along I bought the Squadron Airmodel vac conversion at
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
 
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