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Model Forum / General / Models / January 2006F-4 variant conversions
Well... I've finally cracked. I've been resisting making any F-4s for some time, but I have some rather nice decal sheets... I would like to build an F-4J and a slatted F-4E using the Hasegawa kits. However the Hannants site shows that these versions are currently unavailable. I have considered simply swapping the wings in the F-4S and F-4EJ kits. Is the job as simplistic as that? I know that there were other modifications such as slatted tailplanes. Which are required for the versions I want? I would also like to build an RF-4B. Would putting the wings, burner cans and cockpit from an F-4B on to an RF-4C be a reasonable course of action? And would the equivalent parts from the RF-4C put on the F-4B then make a reasonable F-4C/D? Thanks in advance for any help and comments.  SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. < Hasegawa phantom mix and match proposals > In general, the parts should be interchangeable between the various kits in the modern F-4 family, so there should be no problem there. You didn't specify scale, but there's a whole bunch of these chaps in 1/72 in my stash. You can get a near perfect brakedown of all the subtleties involved by comparing the parts/sprues lists on the various instruction sheets. If it would help, I could get you a scan of those pages for any of the variants you mention. Rob Rob van Riel sniggered evilly behind my back: > < Hasegawa phantom mix and match proposals > > > In general, the parts should be interchangeable between the various > kits in the modern F-4 family, so there should be no problem there. > You didn't specify scale, but there's a whole bunch of these chaps in > 1/72 in my stash. Yes, 1/72 indeed Rob. Maybe I should have mentioned that! Doh! :-) SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > Rob van Riel sniggered evilly behind my back: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Yes, 1/72 indeed Rob. Maybe I should have mentioned that! Doh! :-) Welcome back Enzo, I was beginning to worry where you'd got to? Don't forget that the Airfix TSR.2 is out soon so you'll be wanting to produce every possible variation on that. (kim) >> Rob van Riel sniggered evilly behind my back: >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Welcome back Enzo, I was beginning to worry where you'd got to? Thanks very much! I've been to college! :-D > Don't forget that the Airfix TSR.2 is out soon so you'll be wanting to > produce every possible variation on that. LOL SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. The wings in the recessed panel line F-4 kits seem to interchange easily. For example, the slatted and unslatted wings work with the base F-4E and F-4J fuselages, so swapping wings between the F-4S and the F-4EJ (not the -EJ Kai) will work. Regarding the RF-4B, I assume that you want one of the thin wing RF-4Bs, instead of the thick wing RF-4B that Hasegawa released? I would be wary of mixing wing and fuselage parts between the old raised panel line kits and the later recessed panel line kits as I've heard they don't fit quite right. Also, regarding the changes, you won't need the burner cans as the early RF-4B and the RF-4C had the same exhausts. Also, the cockpit in the F-4B kit is wrong anyway in that it is already Air Force style. This was never fixed in the Hasehawa kit. Dave > Well... I've finally cracked. I've been resisting making any F-4s for some > time, but I have some rather nice decal sheets... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Thanks in advance for any help and comments. > RF-4B and the RF-4C had the same exhausts. Also, the cockpit in the F-4B > kit is wrong anyway in that it is already Air Force style. This was never > fixed in the Hasehawa kit. Would that be 1/48 scale? Seems correct in the 1/72. Rob > > RF-4B and the RF-4C had the same exhausts. Also, the cockpit in the F-4B > > kit is wrong anyway in that it is already Air Force style. This was never [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Rob I assumed 1/48 scale. Dave See http://www.scalemodelindex.com/air.htm "kit reference" section for a complete (nearly) listing of the parts trees and contents for the Hasegawa F-4 series. It's very useful for cross-kitting work. DJ > Well... I've finally cracked. I've been resisting making any F-4s for > some [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Thanks in advance for any help and comments. Hi, I can't find the link to the "kit reference" section from http://www.scalemodelindex.com/air.htm, can you kindly post the actual URL for that? Thanks. Tommie Hui > See http://www.scalemodelindex.com/air.htm "kit reference" section for a > complete (nearly) listing of the parts trees and contents for the Hasegawa [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > > Thanks in advance for any help and comments. Thanks to all who responded. You've been most helpful (which, in my experience, is situation normal for this newsgroup). I didn't think that simple cross-kitting would present a problem with regards to fit of parts. I was more concerned about the accuracy of the resulting model. There have been no howls of protest so I'm going to go ahead with the project. :-) Thanks again, Rob, Dave and DJ. SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. Aren't there RF-4 versions by Hasegawa? Quite new...? Ingo >Well... I've finally cracked. I've been resisting making any F-4s for some >time, but I have some rather nice decal sheets... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Thanks in advance for any help and comments. *time is an enemy* > Aren't there RF-4 versions by Hasegawa? Quite new...? There is a new RF-4C. However, this had the later thick wing, while the RF-4B had the thin wing. SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > > Aren't there RF-4 versions by Hasegawa? Quite new...? > > There is a new RF-4C. However, this had the later thick wing, while the > RF-4B had the thin wing. Most RF-4Bs had the thin wing, but the last dozen or so had the thick wing like the C/D. Dave > > > Aren't there RF-4 versions by Hasegawa? Quite new...? > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Most RF-4Bs had the thin wing, but the last dozen or so had the thick wing > like the C/D. Which is why the original, and some later, RF-4B boxings from Hasegawa come with both the thin and thick wings. Indeed, they did do one special release with the box art from KA-9, the RF-4B, but as an RF-4B / -E, including JASDF markings. At least that's what it looked like when I saw it in a shop in Nagoya, but it was more than I was willing to pay for a curiosity. Jon. >>>Aren't there RF-4 versions by Hasegawa? Quite new...? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Dave The last ten, if I recall my research - I'm planning on converting the 1/32 Revell RF-4C into a USMC RF-4B. Haven't made up my mind on thinning the wing yet. All the thick-winged ones had BUNOs in the 73xx series, and the last two of the ten had the rounded nose vise the coffin-shaped nose. Also - note that the Navy wheel hub was different than the USAF pattern hub in profile as well as width. Signature- Rufus |
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