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Very OT:   # of Americans Killed in the line of duty since 1776

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crw59@earthlink.net - 20 Jan 2006 22:26 GMT
heard on Jeopardy last night. Beginning in 1776, the 1,000,000 soldier
was killed in the line of duty on 9/4/51.     No idea what their
sources were but its something to think about while
waiting for the Squadron flyer to arrive.

Craig
Drew Hill - 20 Jan 2006 22:51 GMT
> heard on Jeopardy last night. Beginning in 1776, the 1,000,000 soldier
> was killed in the line of duty on 9/4/51.

Not inconceivable.  Remember that the US Civil war killed off some-
where around 500-650,000 AMERICANS.  The figure always in-
cludes the southern forces since they were still AMERICANS after
the war.

This tends to make the figure seem to inflate at times.  We also
lost somewhere around 150K troops during WWI.  The trench war-
fare was nasty on troop losses, and I usually see the troops lost
to the Influenza outbreak at the end of the war included in this fig-
ure as well.

Because it's a person's opinion that matters when adding deaths
into this number, and it's very hard to verify some of the data (Ie:
did the soldier from the Revolutionary War die or simply disappear
during the battle?) I don't like to use numbers like this.

If you want to say APROXIMATELY 1M troops have died by that
date, Okay, I'll go along with that.  But to say that EXACTLY 1M
troops had died by that date, I'll have to argue.  Just the historian
in my talking.  :)  I'm sure that they're taking their data from a re-
liable source.  My first guess would be something like the VFW,
American Legion, or the VA (Most likely it's a government source
of one type or another).

Hope this helps!

-andy
Mustapha, P - 21 Jan 2006 05:18 GMT
"Drew Hill" <ahill@702com.net> wrote in news:1137797517.049476.133970
@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

>> heard on Jeopardy last night. Beginning in 1776, the 1,000,000 soldier
>> was killed in the line of duty on 9/4/51.
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>
> -andy

Does "line of duty" include only direct combat casualties, KIA and died of
wounds or is it all causes? I would think that would make a difference as I
understand disease took a lot of soldiers in the Civil War.

Frank
Greg Heilers - 21 Jan 2006 06:15 GMT
> "Drew Hill" <ahill@702com.net> wrote in news:1137797517.049476.133970
> @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
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>
> Frank

Actually...I believe *more* died from disease/illness
than from actual combat.  Understandable, when such large
numbers of men are put together in such large and dense
groups.  The vast majority of those soldiers, before the
war, had probably never traveled more than 20 miles from
home, nor been exposed to groups any bigger than a few dozen
people.



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e - 21 Jan 2006 06:32 GMT
>> "Drew Hill" <ahill@702com.net> wrote in news:1137797517.049476.133970
>> @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
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>home, nor been exposed to groups any bigger than a few dozen
>people.

plus the 1918 flu was a real mother. it attacked the young
and healthy. there are several excellent books out now about
it. i'll stay in the desert, you stay downwind......
(g)
Bill Woodier - 21 Jan 2006 14:08 GMT
Figures like that get racked and stacked pretty loosely according to
whatever criteria the "racker and stacker" chooses to apply or in compiling
the statistics or point trying to be made as well as how liberally one wants
to interpret the criteria for Killed In Action and Died of Wounds.  That's
why I don't put all that much stock in the various "body count" statistics.
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> "Drew Hill" <ahill@702com.net> wrote in news:1137797517.049476.133970
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> Frank
William H. Shuey - 21 Jan 2006 05:44 GMT
> The trench war-fare was nasty on troop losses, and I usually see
> the troops lost to the Influenza outbreak at the end of the war
> included in this figure as well.

    My GrandMother told me of taking a train from Harrisburg in late 1918
to go visit a relative. The train stopped in Indian Town Gap on the way.
She noticed this long line of boxes stacked a couple deep on the
platform and asked a soldier who had boarded the train what were the
boxes.
"Lady, those are caskets of soldiers who have died of the flu"! She was
horrified and never forgot the experience.

                        Bill Shuey
 
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