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Model Forum / General / Models / March 2006Woo-hoo Go Trumpeter!
I just read that Trumpeter pulled a rabbit out of the hat and announced a 1/350 HMS Hood shipping within the month. Regardless of one particularly negative naysayer on the newsgroup, I couldn't be happier with the development. I have wanted a decent, large scale, affordable Hood kit for as long as I can remember. Now there is one at $125. Yes! RLM RLM <CptMattNOJUNK@ameritech.net> wrote in news:MPG.1e57168ec3a9a4a9896a9 @news.giganews.com: > I just read that Trumpeter pulled a rabbit out of the hat and announced > a 1/350 HMS Hood shipping within the month. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > RLM Nice! But affordable? : Nice! But affordable? It will be less expensive than the WEM kit... I wonder if there is any of the work from the ICM attempt at the Hood? Bruce  Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX. - Thuganlitha The Power and the Prophet Robert Don Hughes > : Nice! But affordable? > : [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Bruce I've been watching and waiting for ICM since they announced they'd offer a Hood. There was something I saw recently - a 2005 ICM catalog on eBay - that had Hood on the cover. Alas, still no kit... Frank Kranick I noticed at the Nuremberg Toy Fair releases that ICM listed the 1/48th Me109 range that was in their catalogue some time ago and then disappeared. so there is some sort of hope they are still working on it, Their site also has Hood on the cover of their catalogue so who knows? regards JimboD >> : : Nice! But affordable? >> : [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Frank Kranick > RLM <CptMattNOJUNK@ameritech.net> wrote in news:MPG.1e57168ec3a9a4a9896a9 > @news.giganews.com: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Nice! But affordable? Yes, considering the only other 1/350 kits available of the Hood ran in the $400 to $600 range. $125 seems to be right in there with most other kits of this size in this scale. RLM > Yes, considering the only other 1/350 kits available of the Hood ran in > the $400 to $600 range. $125 seems to be right in there with most other > kits of this size in this scale. MSRP is $149 not $125. > I just read that Trumpeter pulled a rabbit out of the hat and announced > a 1/350 HMS Hood shipping within the month. Some of us have known about it for months, we just can't say anything until they announce it. > Regardless of one particularly negative naysayer on the newsgroup, I > couldn't be happier with the development. I'll wait and see if they learned anything from the BB-55 abortion in plastic. > I have wanted a decent, large > scale, affordable Hood kit for as long as I can remember. Now there is > one at $125. Goody for you, now if it's a piece of sh.t like th North Carolina don't whine when nobody else steps up to the plate for the next 40 years because the market's shot. Ron, I will give you credit for being consistent at least. Obnoxious and foul mouthed. Your mother must be proud of you. Norm > Ron, I will give you credit for being consistent at least. Obnoxious and > foul mouthed. Nice lack of quote Norm...what exactly was obnoxious? Did you find abortion and sh.t to be fould-mouthed, if so never watch prime-time TV. > Your mother must be proud of you. And yours must be so proud that you can't handle reality and observation. SARCASM WARNING FOR THE FAINT OF HEART So sorry if my consistent failure to fall over in a deep swoon, foaming at the mouth with a white-eyed rollback, gibbering in ecstasy, ready to crawl to my hands and knees to pucker up for Trumpeter's rear end every time they "release the ship kit from the Gods we have waited aeons for" offends you. The short simple answer is the partial build of Hood shown on IPMS Deutschland's website from the Nurnberg show provides ample evidence that Trumpeter has yet to grasp the basics of engineering and fit. The fit is every bit as bad as North Carolina's, which if it were a Tamiya or Hasegawa 1/48 aircraft would have the Frankenstein villagers with torches storming the gates. There is simply NO EXCUSE for foisting such plastic feces off on the modelling public these days, especially for the announced MSRP of $149. Yes Normy, I will continue to call a piece of sh.t a piece of sh.t. Ron Smith <rwsmithjr@rcn.com> wrote in > Trumpeter has yet to grasp the basics of > engineering and fit. The fit is every bit as bad as North Carolina's, > which if it were a Tamiya or Hasegawa 1/48 aircraft would have the > Frankenstein villagers with torches storming the gates. There is > simply NO EXCUSE for foisting such plastic feces off on the modelling > public these days, especially for the announced MSRP of $149. So shut your cakehole and do it better. And if you can deliver anything even close to Trumpeter's effort, at anything even close (I'll give you a 100% fudge factor) then I'll eat my words and buy your version. Until then, shut up and get the hell off my newsgroup, you foulmouthed troglodyte. RobG >Ron Smith <rwsmithjr@rcn.com> wrote in >> Trumpeter has yet to grasp the basics of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >RobG really. i'm not a ship guy. but i would build a hood. too many ship kits are too hard for modest modeler, so how about a buildable hood that looks good? > really. > i'm not a ship guy. but i would build a hood. > too many ship kits are too hard for modest modeler, so how > about a buildable hood that looks good? From the Nurnberg photos, buy lots of putty and sanding sticks. >> really. >> i'm not a ship guy. but i would build a hood. >> too many ship kits are too hard for modest modeler, so how >> about a buildable hood that looks good? > > From the Nurnberg photos, buy lots of putty and sanding sticks. i doubt i would bother. but the reviews aren't in yet. > So shut your cakehole and do it better. And if you can deliver anything > even close to Trumpeter's effort, at anything even close (I'll give you a > 100% fudge factor) then I'll eat my words and buy your version. Until then, > shut up and get the hell off my newsgroup, you foulmouthed troglodyte. How much did you pay to own the newsgroup? Guess it isn't yours twit. Since I've been here since about 1997 or so you can suck it up and deal with it. BTW-I've made and sold a few masters to resin ship manufacturers, no complaints s far. Would you like some toejam with your foot sandwich? >> I have wanted a decent, large scale, affordable Hood kit for as long as I >> can remember. Now there is one at $125. > > Goody for you, now if it's a piece of sh.t like th North Carolina don't > whine when nobody else steps up to the plate for the next 40 years because > the market's shot. I don't buy that logic at all, 'cause the end state is that nobody except Tamiya (for example) should be allowed to produce models because no one else could ever do it right and a bad kit will only make it less likely that God's Own Model Company WILL do it. Besides that, it's not completely true. Look at the Eastern Express KV series of tanks. They were typical east Europe kits but had better detail than the old Tamiyas. They were popular when issued a few years ago. One might think they would've "shot the market" but Trumpeter has issued a complete new series of KVs that are better - and cheaper - than the ones that came before, and they can't keep them on the shelves. People are almost always willing to buy something that is markedly better than what's out there. (There are other examples of relatively closely spaced kits: Monogram/?? F-104; Me 109s, Tigers, Monogram/Tamiya Skyraiders; Mustangs; P-47s; Pz Is; Sd Kfz 251s; Leopard IIs; etc.) Granted, the NC probably is a rather limited market, but the Hood - along with the Bismarck, maybe the Hornet, the Missouri, and the Yamato - are probably the Me 109s/Tigers of the ship world. KL >>Goody for you, now if it's a piece of sh.t like th North Carolina don't >>whine when nobody else steps up to the plate for the next 40 years because [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > could ever do it right and a bad kit will only make it less likely that > God's Own Model Company WILL do it. The point is Trumpeter has shown with their armor models thay *can* get the basics of fit and parts engineering right, they simply choose not to do so on their latest ships. As for anyone else kitting a 1/350 capital ship once Trumpeter does it, it's only slightly more likely than the sun turning neon green, ships are a *much* smaller scale model market than armor or aircraft. > Besides that, it's not completely true. Look at the Eastern Express KV > series of tanks. They were typical east Europe kits but had better detail > than the old Tamiyas. They were popular when issued a few years ago. One > might think they would've "shot the market" but Trumpeter has issued a > complete new series of KVs that are better - and cheaper - than the ones > that came before, and they can't keep them on the shelves. Apples and oragnes, ships vs. armor and market size for the genres are completely different, especially expensive 1/350 capital ships. You can buy six Trumpeter KV tanks for the price of one Trumpeter North Carolina.....add another KV for a total of seven if comparing to Hood's MSRP. > People are > almost always willing to buy something that is markedly better than what's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Hornet, the Missouri, and the Yamato - are probably the Me 109s/Tigers of > the ship world. You're more likely to find the Iowas (modern at that), Bismark, CVN-65 Enterprise and maybe Hood to be the Me-109/P-51/Tiger of the 1/350 plastic ship world, less so the Hornet and Yamato. 1/700 ships are a market and world unto themselves. It would seem that Trumpeter must source their design and engineering for kits from different groups ( maybe sub contractors or different design teams within the organization.) so that would account for some duds amongst other very good kits. It would seem the criticism for the North Carolina kit seems to be justified but that does not relate to what are some very nice kits. I think they are still on a learning curve and will learn from their mistakes, ( makes commercial sense.) . I guess the thing about the Hood though is it's design process would have started quite a long time ago so we will have to wait and see how it scrubs up, Constructive criticism is a good thing as that will help the Industry in the long run but I think its important to be a bit diplomatic at the same time, As ICM seems to be back on the boil there is some hope in that direction also , some time we wait for years ( decades) for something special and then find the same thing from several sources again time will tell. I remember years ago saying that it about time someone did a good Me109 in 1/48th and now they are in plague proportions with more to come. Can be a very fickle industry at times but you just got to love it . Regards JimboD >>>Goody for you, now if it's a piece of sh.t like th North Carolina don't >>>whine when nobody else steps up to the plate for the next 40 years [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > ship world, less so the Hornet and Yamato. 1/700 ships are a market and > world unto themselves. > The point is Trumpeter has shown with their armor models thay *can* get > the basics of fit and parts engineering right, they simply choose not to > do so on their latest ships. As for anyone else kitting a 1/350 capital > ship once Trumpeter does it, it's only slightly more likely than the sun > turning neon green, ships are a *much* smaller scale model market than > armor or aircraft. Oh Ron, you're too amped up over this. The people buying a $150 Hood are the same people - like you - who have (or wish they could) buy a $500 resin Hood. These aren't people buying 1/720 Revell Arizonas on a whim at the Pearl Harbor gift shop. The people who would buy a Trumpeter Hood would likely also buy a Tamiya Hood if one came out in five years. If the market was so damn small, how could it support even $150 kits, let alone $350-$600 resin ones? The mere fact that there are a *number* of $100+ plastic ship kits out there (ten from Trumpeter alone on SMO) is prima facie evidence of a market large enough to to absorb them. . >> Besides that, it's not completely true. Look at the Eastern Express KV >> series of tanks. They were typical east Europe kits but had better [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Carolina.....add another KV for a total of seven if comparing to Hood's > MSRP. Not apples and oranges but small apples to large apples. Price really has nothing to do with it. *ALL* modelers think kits are too expensive, all genres have expensive kits with limited appeal, and all genres have economic stratification (e.g. not every armor modeler can afford to buy every tank kit that comes out), hence the only difference between genres is really the magnitude. The fact that moderately expensive but poor Heller Leclerc or the so-so but cheap Italeri Leopard IIs (two subjects with _really_ limted appeal) came out did not seem to kill the market for more expensive but much better Tamiya versions (TWO versions in the case of the Leopard II!). Why didn't your theory work there? Why didn't the bad kit eat up all the market for the subject such that the better kit never came out? Why? See the next line. . . >> People are almost always willing to buy something that is markedly better >> than what's out there. (There are other examples of relatively closely [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Enterprise and maybe Hood to be the Me-109/P-51/Tiger of the 1/350 plastic > ship world, less so the Hornet and Yamato. Well there ya go. If the Hood is on par with the Tiger - or even the Sherman - in popularity, the market most certainly ought to be able to support a second plastic kit, especially if it's better. KL Ron, The bottom line as I see it is you just plain don't like Trumpeter. And that is fine. I am not sure I do either. I know I don't like the idea of all the dollars flowing the wrong direction, but why not just say it up front. All this ranting and raving about how terrible they are is not working very well it appears to me. Yeah I agree that they could do better with several of their kits, but so far I have never seen the perfect kit and in about 65 years of modeling I have long ago come to the conclusion that I still needed to be a modeler, not a kit assembler, if I wanted my models to satisfy my standards. The reality of the situation is that Trumpeter has created a market no one else was willing or able to fill, and has released more kits than probably the rest of the world combined in the last couple years. While I may not be too happy about the political ramifications of this whole thing, I freely admit that I have purchased four of their carriers, and yeah I know they are not spot on dead accurate in every little detail, but they are far better than what I had before they arrived on the market. And as far as fit is concerned, on the two I have going, the Nimitz and the Essex class, they fit is just fine thank you. I am still amazed that after starting at one point and working all the way around the hanger deck walls with something like 12-13 parts, the match up back at the beginning was almost spot on. Yes, I did have to do some work to make the hull bottom match the top on the Nimitz, but like I said, I consider myself a modeler . Yeah, there are things I would have them do differently of course, but as I said, I am a modeler, not an assembler, I expect to have to put some work into the things. I consider the research and learning an important part of my modeling, so I can take the errors in stride to some degree or perhaps just pass on the kit if it is too far off my standard. One of the best things about this computer stuff is we have a forum where modelers from all over the world can exchange information and ideas. Too often posters seem to be more motivated by ego than knowledge. Do you really feel that offending most of the folks here will further your cause? Norm What is the general opinion of the Heller 1/400 Hood? Nice message. I do have some of their aircraft kits, and while they are not perfect, they are available, not dreams. And stil way better than the ID-Models VAC, but the price is not all that much bigger. SignatureClaus Gustafsen Strandby Denmark mail me at claus@gustafsen.nu See my modeling at www.gustafsen.nu Se min datters side om Fantasy på http://home20.inet.tele.dk/mymagicalworld > Ron, > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Norm > > Regardless of one particularly negative naysayer on the newsgroup, I > > couldn't be happier with the development. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > whine when nobody else steps up to the plate for the next 40 years > because the market's shot. The stuff I read said they worked very closely with the HMS Hood Association over in England to get it right. It should be a good kit. Unless you know more about the Hood then they do. RLM > The stuff I read said they worked very closely with the HMS Hood > Association over in England to get it right. It should be a good kit. All of which means absolutely nothing when it comes to fit and parts engineering. The photos of the partial build a Nurnberg show the same piss-poor fit and engineering of North Carolina. Buy a tube of Tamiya putty and a few packs of sanding sticks with the kit, you'll need them. > Unless you know more about the Hood then they do. You might want to wipe the jetwash from your hair since the major point has obviously sailed right over your head. "Ron Smith" wrote... > Goody for you, now if it's a piece of sh.t like th North Carolina don't > whine when nobody else steps up to the plate for the next 40 years because > the market's shot. Lighten up. It's a hobby. >I have wanted a decent, large scale, affordable Hood kit for as long as I can remember. Now >there is one at $125. If it's like their Seawolf, $125 will just about pay for the putty to fix it. >>I have wanted a decent, large scale, affordable Hood kit for as long as I can remember. Now >there is one at $125. > > If it's like their Seawolf, $125 will just about pay for the putty to > fix it. Similar to their North Carolina. |
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