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crw59@earthlink.net - 18 Mar 2006 05:52 GMT
What was the reason for the spiral pattern finish?

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Greg Heilers - 18 Mar 2006 06:30 GMT
On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:52:54 -0800, crw59 wrote:

> What was the reason for the spiral pattern finish?
>
> Craig

This was actually discussed "to death" a few weeks ago.
Many theories were tossed out...and I think the most
convincing, to most people, was that it was pretty
much a decorative thing, to help mask the surface
imperfections on what were hand-formed compound curved
pieces.  It was a techgnique that was "in style" then,
and helped illustrate the skill and artistry of the
artisans.

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Jack G - 18 Mar 2006 06:32 GMT
See http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~eamonn/et/et.htm

Jack G.
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:52:54 -0800, crw59 wrote:
>
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> and helped illustrate the skill and artistry of the
> artisans.
bluumule - 18 Mar 2006 14:01 GMT
If you watch the old movie with Jimmy Stewart as Lindy, you'll see a
scence in the movie where a guy uses a drill press with a wire brush on
it to put the swirls into the metal.  It was mostly decorative but also
served another function, I'll check with the guys at the restoration
shop at EAA to see if I can find out.  I was told once, but that was a
long time ago.
Jessie C - 18 Mar 2006 11:57 GMT
> If you watch the old movie with Jimmy Stewart as Lindy, you'll see a
> scence in the movie where a guy uses a drill press with a wire brush on
> it to put the swirls into the metal.  It was mostly decorative but also
> served another function, I'll check with the guys at the restoration
> shop at EAA to see if I can find out.  I was told once, but that was a
> long time ago.

At a guess, I would say that it stiffens the panels to keep them from
flexing.

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Bill Woodier - 21 Mar 2006 01:49 GMT
The technique is called "engine turning" I believe.  I think it's usually
done with some sort of fine polishing bit in a motor tool, flexible shaft,
or drill and polishing compound.  I've been told it can also be done by hand
with an appropriately sized dowel rod and compound.  Toy might be right
about strengthening the panel but I don't remember.
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>> If you watch the old movie with Jimmy Stewart as Lindy, you'll see a
>> scence in the movie where a guy uses a drill press with a wire brush on
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> At a guess, I would say that it stiffens the panels to keep them from
> flexing.
Mad-Modeller - 21 Mar 2006 05:09 GMT
> The technique is called "engine turning" I believe.  I think it's usually
> done with some sort of fine polishing bit in a motor tool, flexible shaft,
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> --
> Cheers:  Bill Woodier

Many '50s cars had the technique used on instrument panels.  It's
difficult to reproduce in 1/25th models.  I really haven't tried too
hard as some of those oldies have considerable chrome inside.   Today's
plastic 'rubber room' interiors could never look as attractive.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
eyeball - 21 Mar 2006 20:44 GMT
Back when I did car models I used to get a rough representation of
handturning by roughing    it in with a silver paint pen or a gel pen.I
recall seeing some of those 70s disco prism decals being used in a
model once also.
Don Stauffer - 21 Mar 2006 16:04 GMT
> The technique is called "engine turning" I believe.  I think it's usually
> done with some sort of fine polishing bit in a motor tool, flexible shaft,
> or drill and polishing compound.  I've been told it can also be done by hand
> with an appropriately sized dowel rod and compound.  Toy might be right
> about strengthening the panel but I don't remember.

If it is done by hand it is called hand tooling or hand turning. If done
by a jig it is called engine turning.  Engine turning makes a very
REGULAR pattern, hand turning makes an irregular one.

I used a bench drill press to do a new instrument panel for my
(full-size) race car. I made a jig with two pieces of wood, to allow the
row spacing to be adjusted, and with a set of marks on the top piece
(and an index pointer) so I could move the top part (which the workpiece
was fastened to).

I also used a dowel with valve grinding compound on the tip.  One
caution. It wears down the dowel VERY fast.  I kept getting a weakening
of the pattern every so often. I finally found the problem was the dowel
was wearing so fast I was hitting the depth stop on the drill press!
 
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