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Boris Beizer - 20 Mar 2006 17:25 GMT
I thought I bought some ship model plans from a new site,
bestscalemodels.com.
That was on January 11.  The paypal payment was made on January 13 and has
been confirmed.   No plans.  I did receive a one sheet free plans that was
included in the promo, but not the plans I ordered.   They answered my first
few emails, but now they apparently have put me in their kill file.   No
plans, no contact, no explanation.   I don't know if these guys are just
totally incompetent or  penny-ante con artists.   Anyhow, fellow modelers,
be advised, be cautious, be warned.

Boris Beizer
William H. Shuey - 20 Mar 2006 23:37 GMT
> I thought I bought some ship model plans from a new site,
> bestscalemodels.com.
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>
> Boris Beizer

Boris:

    Thanks for the warning!

                Bill Shuey
EidlinVadim@yandex.ru - 25 Mar 2006 01:06 GMT
Hello, Boris!

I'm realy sorry for you. BUT! The plans has been sent to you a couple
of times . What is the problem with you? For the last 4 years of
on-line work our store has met a lot of of scam buyers, who ordered the
plans, after they receive them, they told that they didn't and wanted
to get money back. Sorry, but it is not the way we are working.

With all respect to our clients we do not want to harm anyone.

I hope you'll find the message unharmful for yourself.

Best regards,
______________________
Vadim Eidlin
Manager, CEC
www.bestscalemodels.com
Boris Beizer - 27 Mar 2006 21:55 GMT
> Hello, Boris!
>
> I'm realy sorry for you. BUT! The plans has been sent to you a couple
> of times .

If it has been sent several times as you claim, other than shortly after I
ordered them when you said that they would arrive in a few weeks, did you
refuse to answer all my subsequent correspondances.

>What is the problem with you?

Nothing the matter with me.  I just want the plans I ordered and paid for.

>  For the last 4 years of  on-line work our store has met a lot of of scam
> buyers,
> who ordered the plans, after they receive them, they told that they didn't
> and wanted
> to get money back.

You have my money. I paid with paypall.  Still no plans.

> Sorry, but it is not the way we are working.

If the plans I ordered ever arrive and if they are up to what you promise,
then I will be the first to apologize.  Meanwhile a private answer to my
dozen requests would have been more appropriate than this.

> I hope you'll find the message unharmful for yourself.

I still hope that this has been a mis-understanding and that the plans will
eventually arrive. If indeed, as you claim, you have sent these plans out
several times, then I should eventually get several copies.  I will inform
the newsgroup that this has happened.  Meanwhile, for plans ordered over two
months ago, the mail has been outrageously slow.  I can only assume that you
misinterpreted my order and decided that since I had ordered plans of
Chinese Junks, that you arranged to have the plans sent to me by a slow boat
from China .. on a junk.

Boris Beizer

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Don Stauffer - 28 Mar 2006 15:18 GMT
Couldn't this thread be continued via email, rather than a flame war on
the newsgroup?  It seems to be just between two people.
C.R. Krieger - 28 Mar 2006 22:26 GMT
> Couldn't this thread be continued via email, rather than a flame war on
> the newsgroup?  It seems to be just between two people.

Hey, but one's a PhD and one's a Russian!  Me; I'm gonna make some
popcorn and sit back to watch!
--
C.R. Krieger
(Don't even build ships)
Mad-Modeller - 29 Mar 2006 04:23 GMT
> Couldn't this thread be continued via email, rather than a flame war on
> the newsgroup?  It seems to be just between two people.

It seems headed that way but the original message seemed more of a
precautionary note to those interested in plans.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Don Stauffer - 29 Mar 2006 17:09 GMT
>>Couldn't this thread be continued via email, rather than a flame war on
>>the newsgroup?  It seems to be just between two people.
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>
> Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

I guess to be more specific on my complaint, to see a message referring
to "you did this," or "you are," without specifying who you is is not
very considerate.  If you are posting for the group to read, make the
message LOOK like it is to the group.

Even non-flame messages- one should be careful that individual messages-
  thanks, Tom (or whoever) would be better saying, I'd like to thank
Tom for the help, changing the direction a little.

Also, while I do NOT like endless quoting in a long thread (do we have
to see ALL the comments?), if you ARE addressing a single person for
some reason, make that CLEAR in quotes and other statements.
 
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