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MPM  He-177 arrived

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Jeff Barringer - 19 May 2006 19:37 GMT
Looks pretty nice compared to some of the MPM kits I have played with
lots & lots & lots of parts
david@bbbweb.com - 19 May 2006 20:48 GMT
>Looks pretty nice compared to some of the MPM kits I have played with
>lots & lots & lots of parts
Its in stock now but expensive at £54.60 though
David
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Jeff Barringer - 19 May 2006 23:53 GMT
>> Looks pretty nice compared to some of the MPM kits I have played with
>> lots & lots & lots of parts
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> http://www.sbxmodelshop.co.uk
> Suppliers of Montex Masks to the world!

Yes, but wasn't there a resin He-177 that was like 3 times that?
With Trumpeters FW-200  we're finally rounding out the german
bomber fleet around our house. Now - whose gonna make us a JU-290?
And if it's not TOO much to ask - Trumpeter since you like to do BIG
how bout a nice ME-321/323 in 1/48?
e - 20 May 2006 01:28 GMT
>>> Looks pretty nice compared to some of the MPM kits I have played with
>>> lots & lots & lots of parts
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>And if it's not TOO much to ask - Trumpeter since you like to do BIG
>how bout a nice ME-321/323 in 1/48?

who did the one that's out there?
Mad-Modeller - 20 May 2006 02:57 GMT
> >>> Looks pretty nice compared to some of the MPM kits I have played with
> >>> lots & lots & lots of parts
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>
> who did the one that's out there?

Assuming you mean the Gigant, I think Italeri did the 1/72 one.  I don't
know about 1/48 stuff but the idea is, um, enormous.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
e - 20 May 2006 04:07 GMT
>> In article <126sj3l5st3uv01@corp.supernews.com>, Jeff Barringer
>>
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>
>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

there's one hanging from the cieling of hobbytown in vegas,
and enormus sums it up. i suspect it was a vac, the builder
was really good. they also have the italieri hanging with a
troika shlep setup to 3 me 110's, also a master build.
i want the italeieri, but the ones on ebay are a rip off
today.
got one, bill? yeah, i know, you sold it years ago.
Mad-Modeller - 20 May 2006 05:01 GMT
> >> In article <126sj3l5st3uv01@corp.supernews.com>, Jeff Barringer
> >>
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> today.
> got one, bill? yeah, i know, you sold it years ago.

Nope, never owned one.  I did own a Waco for awhile and I think I had a
Horsa but I'd have to look it up in my inventory records.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
e - 20 May 2006 06:06 GMT
>> >> In article <126sj3l5st3uv01@corp.supernews.com>, Jeff Barringer
>> >>
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>
>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

i'm surprised.
i'd love to hack the itali into the 4 engine powered glider
version.
Kevin M. Vernon - 20 May 2006 10:25 GMT
> i'm surprised.
> i'd love to hack the itali into the 4 engine powered glider
> version.

6 engines, not 4.  And they make both versions, glider & powered.  I know, I
have both.  and no, I'm not selling, I'm building.  Eventually.

-Kevin in Indy
e - 20 May 2006 15:13 GMT
>> i'm surprised.
>> i'd love to hack the itali into the 4 engine powered glider
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>
>-Kevin in Indy

i've read there was a four engined version, called a powered
glider. it was a good source.
Chris Hughes - 20 May 2006 20:02 GMT
> i've read there was a four engined version, called a powered
> glider. it was a good source.

My reference (Warplanes of the Luftwaffe, published by World Airpower
Journal) also states that the first Me 323 V1 was an Me 321 glider fitted
with four Gnome-Rhone 14N 48/49 engines.  It was designed to be towed off
the ground by a tug, but using the engines for assistance.  The 323 V1 was
then supposed to take off empty and return to base under its own power.

However from the second prototype onwards, they fitted six engines which
turned it into a "conventional" powered transport aircraft.

There was also a proposal for a "Zwilling", with a new centre wing section
with 3 engines, making a total of 9 BMW 801 engines.

An Me 323 made a single test flight in July 1944 with one bomb as cargo.
The bomb, however, weighed 17,700kg (39,000lb) and it is not recorded how
the bomb was carried.  Unfortunately, the Me 323 had suffered damage in an
earlier strafing attack and broke up in the air.  Presumably, the bomb made
a very large, deep hole...

Chris
e - 20 May 2006 20:46 GMT
>> i've read there was a four engined version, called a powered
>> glider. it was a good source.
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>
>Chris

the source i read said there were "several" powered gliders,
but i haven't seen any photos. i do want to bash one.
the zwillig would have looked impressive, but damn if i'd
ride it. even in peacetime.
Ralph Currell - 21 May 2006 02:48 GMT
>the source i read said there were "several" powered gliders,
>but i haven't seen any photos. i do want to bash one.
>the zwillig would have looked impressive, but damn if i'd
>ride it. even in peacetime.

There's a photo of the four-engined beast at
http://bw-hilchenbach.de/Messerschmitt__Me__323__2.jpg

For those with lots of storage space, there is actually a 1:33 scale
Me 323 card stock model made by the Polish firm GPM. I believe the
wingspan is somewhat over 5 feet.  :-)
e - 21 May 2006 04:01 GMT
>>the source i read said there were "several" powered gliders,
>>but i haven't seen any photos. i do want to bash one.
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>Me 323 card stock model made by the Polish firm GPM. I believe the
>wingspan is somewhat over 5 feet.  :-)
thanks.
maybe i could use it for a storage shed.
noddy - 21 May 2006 04:35 GMT
>>the source i read said there were "several" powered gliders,
>>but i haven't seen any photos. i do want to bash one.
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> Me 323 card stock model made by the Polish firm GPM. I believe the
> wingspan is somewhat over 5 feet.  :-)

Thanks for the pic , does GPM have a site ???
Ralph Currell - 21 May 2006 09:07 GMT
>Ralph Currell wrote:
>> There's a photo of the four-engined beast at
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>
>Thanks for the pic , does GPM have a site ???

www.gpm.pl/eng/ 

I also see the model advertised here:
http://modelscentrum.free.fr/uk/p334.html  for about $45 USD.  I
expect it's not something you'd want to tackle if you've never built
card models before.
Kevin M. Vernon - 21 May 2006 03:16 GMT
> i've read there was a four engined version, called a powered
> glider. it was a good source.

Ooohhh......never heard of that one.  Hmmmmm......

-Kevin in Indy
e - 21 May 2006 04:03 GMT
>> i've read there was a four engined version, called a powered
>> glider. it was a good source.
>
>Ooohhh......never heard of that one.  Hmmmmm......
>
>-Kevin in Indy

i will try to refind that and more.
you wanna build one, too?
machf - 22 May 2006 04:26 GMT
>>> i've read there was a four engined version, called a powered
>>> glider. it was a good source.
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>i will try to refind that and more.
>you wanna build one, too?

The 4-engined one was the Me 321C (later renamed Me 323C). The Me 323 V1 was
powered by four Gnôme-Rhône 14N 48/49 engines (source: Wiliam Green, _Warplanes
of the Third Reich_).

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e - 22 May 2006 05:01 GMT
>>In article <126vjcogojucu74@corp.supernews.com>, "Kevin M. Vernon"
>>
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>powered by four Gnôme-Rhône 14N 48/49 engines (source: Wiliam Green, _Warplanes
>of the Third Reich_).

yeah, that's where my memory was...
William H. Shuey - 22 May 2006 16:32 GMT
> > i've read there was a four engined version, called a powered
> > glider. it was a good source.
>
> Ooohhh......never heard of that one.  Hmmmmm......
>
> -Kevin in Indy

    I remember meeting a former U.S. Army Air Force pilot who talked about
meeting one of these behemoths over the Mediterranean in 43 and he was
so surprised at the sheer size of the beast that he gawked at it too
long and it escaped into cloud.

                        Bill Shuey
e - 22 May 2006 18:17 GMT
>> > i've read there was a four engined version, called a powered
>> > glider. it was a good source.
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>
>                                                Bill Shuey

it's sad there isn't one for a museum.
machf - 22 May 2006 04:29 GMT
>>> Looks pretty nice compared to some of the MPM kits I have played with
>>> lots & lots & lots of parts
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>
>Yes, but wasn't there a resin He-177 that was like 3 times that?

Yep, and IIRC, by MPM too.

>With Trumpeters FW-200  we're finally rounding out the german
>bomber fleet around our house. Now - whose gonna make us a JU-290?

Forget the 290 - how about a 390? ;-)

>And if it's not TOO much to ask - Trumpeter since you like to do BIG
>how bout a nice ME-321/323 in 1/48?

I remember somebody scratchbuilding one a few years ago, together with a He
111Z. That was an impressive build (one I still intend to do, BTW).

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