 |
 | Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us |
 | Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network |
| HomeDiscussion Groups General ModelsRailroadsRocketsRadio Controlled Air ModelsHelicoptersLand ModelsWater ModelsModelGeeks.com Contact UsLink To UsSearch & Site Map |
Model Forum / General / Models / June 2006Post WWII Torpedo Planes?
What came after the Helldiver? Did the USA make another torpedo plane? thx - Craig > What came after the Helldiver? Did the USA make another torpedo > plane? > > thx - Craig Douglas AD Skyraider took over both functions in the late 40's. Bill Shuey Think you mean the Avenger - the Helldiver was a Dive Bomber. As for newer aircraft - without thinking too hard how about the S-3 Viking or the P-3 Orion - but I'm not personally aware of any newer dedicated Torpedo Bombers (except the experimental Guardian). Cheers, Nigel The concept of multi-seat torpedo bombers was dropped by the US and UK for single-seat "strike fighters" -- the US had the AD Skyraider and the short-lived AM Mauler, and the British had the Blackburn Firebrand. The Skyraider could carry torpedoes and did use them in combat -- look up "Carlson's Canyon" and Korea and you should find the story of how they used them to take out the flood gates of the Supung Dam. The Grumman Guardian was NOT experimental but rather a pair of multi-seat antisub aircraft with one (the S version) carrying the weapons and the other (the W version) the search gear and radar. They were replaced by the S2F Tracker, which led to the S-3 Viking. The P-3 was a long range patrol aircraft and not really in the same class. Cookie Sewell "and the British had the Blackburn Firebrand" What about the pretty ugly but interesting all the same, Fairey Gannet? Cheers, Nigel > "and the British had the Blackburn Firebrand" > > What about the pretty ugly but interesting all the same, Fairey Gannet? Also Hawker Sea Fury and Westland Wyvern. (kim) Them as well but the Gannet was a three seater! Cheers, Nigel Tho it was only a prototype, the USSR had the Tu-91. I think some of their other bombers, Il-28 & such, carried torps. Actually the Soviets converted a number of A-20G Havoc ("Boston" to them) to torpedo bombers and used them as such postwar. In point of fact, the US Navy shot one down in September 1950 and killed the crew of three, causing a big stink with the Soviets (who ignored the fact that it was heading towards a carrier group in a combat zone...) Forgot the Gannet, mea culpa. Cookie Sewell > Actually the Soviets converted a number of A-20G Havoc ("Boston" to > them) to torpedo bombers and used them as such postwar. In point of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Cookie Sewell And I forgot the Nimrod...more adventures in weird... BA And the tank dood dazzles us with his knowledge!!  SignatureM Stanley Webmaster: Pelikan Model Club www.percongrp.com/pelikan.htm . > The concept of multi-seat torpedo bombers was dropped by the US and UK > for single-seat "strike fighters" -- the US had the AD Skyraider and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Cookie Sewell the Helldiver never carried a torp?? > Think you mean the Avenger - the Helldiver was a Dive Bomber. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Nigel > Think you mean the Avenger - the Helldiver was a Dive Bomber. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Nigel I suspect the notion of torpedo bombers was pretty much vapor after WWII. The idea of long, slow, level approaches in the era of radar controlled, rapid fire AA 5" (wasn't there even a 6" turret the the US Navy developed for a heavier weight shell/greater range?) and Hellcat/Corsair/Bearcat/burgeoning jet interceptors made the entire exercise a little dicey. The aircraft cited S-3. P-3 were patrol ASW, not intended to emulate Torpedo 3. Torpedo bombers was a concept that worked fairly well and successfully inside the narrow time range between aircraft large enough and heavy enough to carry a torpedo and AA countermeasures being to effective. Frank > Think you mean the Avenger - the Helldiver was a Dive Bomber. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the twin engine Grumman S2 Stoof, aka Tracker which carried Torpedo's MK > 44, 45, and other special aircraft service stores. B. Apple > What came after the Helldiver? Did the USA make another torpedo > plane? > > thx - Craig Yes, it even had a twin jet. I think it was a North American, but forget the designation. Also, the US began to consider combined (multi-mission) designs, like Martin Mauler that would haul torpedos. Don't know weather the Skyraider was set up for torpedos or not. Guided missiles were fast coming along of course, and any target large enough to require a torpedo was worth enough to commit a few expensive guided missiles to it. So this was the likely reason to downplay torpedos. Aircraft payloads were becoming awesome, so guided missiles and bombs could sink very large vessels. > > What came after the Helldiver? Did the USA make another torpedo > > plane? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > torpedos. Aircraft payloads were becoming awesome, so guided missiles > and bombs could sink very large vessels. I think I remember a picture of a Skyraider with a torpedo hanging underneath. Some of the other late-war TB wannabes were the Douglas XTB2D-1, the Grumman XTB2F-1, the Curtiss XBTC-2 & XBT2C-1 and the Kaiser XBTK-1. The only NA types I can find in my sources are the AJ-1 and the XA2J-1. I can't find any mention of torpedoes in their warloads, however. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. icture of a Skyraider with a torpedo hanging > underneath. > Some of the other late-war TB wannabes were the Douglas XTB2D-1, the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. Wasn't the AJ-1 the Savage? A twin prop bomber? I'm thinking of a twin jet. Ejected the bomb or torpedo out the tail. I think it was intended primarily for bombs, but one writeup said they could carry and launch torpedos too. Was it called the Vigilante or something like that? Must have been quite a twitch in pitch when the ordnance went out the tail, though probably no worse than the payload leaving the ramp on transports that drop parachute or LAE off tail ramps. You are thinking of the A-5 (A3J) Vigilante but it was designed as a supersonic nuclear bomber, which is why it originally had a tubular bomb bay that ejected the weapons out the rear (to give it a chance to escape the blast of the nuke.) I don't recall it ever having a torpedo capability though. The original Monogram Vigi kit from the 1950s had a spring and did shoot a bomb out the back. Cookie Sewell If we have expanded the thread to include any aircraft, don't the helicopters have torpedo capability? I thought I have seen footage of them on the sides, being dropped with a parachute? They work with the Orion and another helo that is dipping the sonar. I'm getting too old. It's been too many years since NJROTC in high school. Rich >> What came after the Helldiver? Did the USA make another torpedo >> plane? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Aircraft payloads were becoming awesome, so guided missiles and bombs > could sink very large vessels. > If we have expanded the thread to include any aircraft, don't the > helicopters have torpedo capability? I thought I have seen footage of them > on the sides, being dropped with a parachute? They work with the Orion and > another helo that is dipping the sonar. There's the Kaman Sea Sprite, the Sikorsky Sea King, the Sikorsky SeaHawk, the Westland/Agusta Merlin, and the Kamov Ka-25 and -27 for starters. Many of them can carry a dipping sonar *and* enough sonobouys and torpedoes to really ruin a submariner's day. SignatureJessica > > If we have expanded the thread to include any aircraft, don't the > > helicopters have torpedo capability? I thought I have seen footage of them [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > Jessica Don't forget the Westland Lynx. I remember the Matchbox kit coming with a torpedo. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> > If we have expanded the thread to include any aircraft, don't the >> > helicopters have torpedo capability? I thought I have seen footage of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. The Sikorsky SH3D Sea King and Grumman S2 both carried torpedoes MK 44 and 46 and were excellent ASW platforms. B. Apple TMT2 USS Intrepid CVS-11 > If we have expanded the thread to include any aircraft, don't the > helicopters have torpedo capability? I thought I have seen footage of [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> torpedos. Aircraft payloads were becoming awesome, so guided missiles >> and bombs could sink very large vessels. Again, ASW not torpedo attack. Mad-Modeller <checkreplyto@nextline.com> wrote: Skyraiders did drop torpedoes in the Hwachon Dam strike in Korea in '51. VA-195 was the squadron that flew the mission. They are still known as the Dambusters to this day. |
Reply to this Message |
 Sign In
 Join
 My Latest Posts My Monitored Threads My Blog My Photo Gallery My Profile My Homepage Start New Thread Enable EMail Alerts Rate this Thread
|
©2009 Advenet LLC Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.