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e - 03 Jun 2006 00:47 GMT
i don't think you can overdo wear and tear on soviet
aircraft in afghanastan. saw some on the military channel
and man, were they beat looking. some had half the camo worn
off. they looked rode hard, put away wet over and over.
for once, a modeler would have a hard time overdoing it.
Daryl - 03 Jun 2006 12:31 GMT
>i don't think you can overdo wear and tear on soviet
> aircraft in afghanastan. saw some on the military channel
> and man, were they beat looking. some had half the camo worn
> off. they looked rode hard, put away wet over and over.
> for once, a modeler would have a hard time overdoing it.

entered a Hasegawa Rufe in an IPMS regional contest a few years back when I
1st experimented with weathering I used ref from a book on Zeros taken from
Japanese archives, Japanese aircraft were like you mentioned above about
Soviet aircraft rode hard I had painted the Rufe 1st with a metal finish
then over sprayed with IJN green then used a green scuff pad to wear the
green paint down to where the bare metal showed through I paid particular
attention to the floats and the undersides as these areas would have been
subjected to the water spray on takeoffs and landings, in the end didn't win
anything for it and most comments were that the weathering was over done and
not realistic, but it sure looked good to me
Greg - 03 Jun 2006 16:47 GMT
I think it IS possible to over weather in the sense that weathering
can be out of scale and not representative of any real process. I've
seen cordite stains coming out of shell ejection slots, hydraulic
leaks around cable actuatated control surfaces, natural metal chipping
in fabric areas and paint scuffing that a sand storm would not
produce.

The point is....  look at photographs of your particular subject.
Understand how it is build and operated before blindly applying
weathering techniques.

Greg Reynolds, IPMS

>>i don't think you can overdo wear and tear on soviet
>> aircraft in afghanastan. saw some on the military channel
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>anything for it and most comments were that the weathering was over done and
>not realistic, but it sure looked good to me
e - 03 Jun 2006 19:17 GMT
>I think it IS possible to over weather in the sense that weathering
>can be out of scale and not representative of any real process. I've
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>Greg Reynolds, IPMS

yes, but i believe you understood my point.
Greg - 04 Jun 2006 02:48 GMT
>yes, but i believe you understood my point.

Da. Afghanistan was a harsh enviornment and in the last few years,
the troops were poorly supplied and had low moral. The a/c got pretty
scruffy.

My comments were more for Daryl whose Pete was said to be
over-weathered. Without seeing his model, it's hard to comment
accurately, but this could be a valid observation. The Pete was not
all metal. The wings aft of the rear spar and the conrtrol surfaces
were fabric. He could easily have applied his worn-to-bare-metal
technique to inappropriate areas. Japanese paint did seem to have very
poor adhesion, but photos suggest that it flaked off in chips in high
traffic areas rather than wore through. Another point is that the
paint would likely be badly faded on an a/c showing heavy weathering.

Greg
Daryl - 04 Jun 2006 04:04 GMT
>>yes, but i believe you understood my point.
>
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> Greg
No I said I entered a Hasegawa Rufe
>entered a Hasegawa Rufe in an IPMS regional contest a few years back when I
>1st experimented with weathering I used ref from a book on Zeros,  a Pete
>is a biplane, most of the sever weathering was restricted to the floats and
>underside of the wings and fuselage were water would have beat on it
e - 04 Jun 2006 05:04 GMT
>>yes, but i believe you understood my point.
>
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>
>Greg

gotcha, and i believe you're correct about that.
and of course, you cannot please judges easily nor well.
 
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