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Model Forum / General / Models / June 2006(ARMOR) SU-100 Question
It's pretty much taken as fact that the T-34 made enough of an impression on the Germans that they copied design cues in creating the Panther. Did the same happen with the SU-100 and the Jadgpanther? Just curious... Frank Kranick > It's pretty much taken as fact that the T-34 made enough of an > impression on the Germans that they copied design cues in creating the > Panther. Did the same happen with the SU-100 and the Jadgpanther? Just > curious... > > Frank Kranick That's an intereseting question. Though I do not have a definitive answer I would say not directly. The Germans had already taken the decision to build turretless assault guns/tank destroyers for a variety of reasons. They converted every turreted vehicle to a turretless already, the design cues for the Panther simply carried over to the Jagd. I'm a big fan of the JP myself. Very nearly the perfect mix of armor and gun. I believe that it could have made a considerable difference had there been more. Maybe not a war winner, but certainly could have made things far worse for the Western Allies in the retreat. Frank The short answer is "no." The Soviets were working on light vehicles with more powerful armament for close support back in the 1930s, and heavy antitank guns would fit on light chassis. The AT-1 was an attempt to put a 76mm gun on a T-26 chassis and while unsuccesful showed their thinking was ahead of the Germans. The Germans folllowed with their first Stumgeschuetze later on. The concept for the SU-100 was derived from first the SU-122 assault gun on the T-34 chassis (an M-30 howitzer stripped down and put inside the now-familiary angled casemate) and then the SU-85. When the 85mm gun went into the turret of the T-34, and German tanks and SP guns got heavier armor, the concept of mounting the powerful new 100mm gun in the same hull was only natural. Incidentally, the 100mm gun was based on the ballistics (!) of a 3.9" destroyer's gun. Cookie Sewell > Did the same happen with the SU-100 and the Jadgpanther? SU-100 was not designed from scratch but it was SU-85M refitted with a more powerful gun. SU-85M was modified SU-85. SU-85 entered service in September 43. Jadgpanther entered service in April 44. That is enough to prove that SU-100 design was not based on Jadgpanther. There were more SP guns before these two on both sides - SU-122 (SU-85 precedessor) / Hetzer / JagdPanzer / Panzer IV/70. Maciek > > Did the same happen with the SU-100 and the Jadgpanther? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Maciek I think he was referring to it the other way around. Like the Panther was inspired by the T-34, was the Jagdpanther inspired by the SU-100. > I think he was referring to it the other way around. Like the Panther > was inspired by the T-34, was the Jagdpanther inspired by the SU-100. Oh, I see... Well - SU-100 could not have inspired Jagdpanther bacause it appeared in January 45. Jagdpanther could not have inspired SU-100 because SU-100 precedessors appeared before Jagdpanther. :) Maciek |
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