Have a look at the "Hot Bird of the Week" pictures on the Two Bobs website.
http://www.twobobs.net/
The F-22s shown there have no stencilling around the cockpit - not even
ejection seat warning triangles. Because of their stealth nature there are
very few panel lines and protruberances. To me, they don't look real!
In fact, they look about as realistic as the SA-43 Hammerhead seen in the
science-fiction series "Space: Above and Beyond".
I always find that smaller scale models look far more realistic when they
have lots of lumps and bumps and dangly bits. Lots of stencils, properly
applied, also enhance the realism. I wonder how realistic small scale model
F-22s will look, given that the real things look like second rate TV props!

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> Have a look at the "Hot Bird of the Week" pictures on the Two Bobs website.
>
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> applied, also enhance the realism. I wonder how realistic small scale model
> F-22s will look, given that the real things look like second rate TV props!
The flying around and incandescent exhaust during the demonstration
flights settled any doubts though! I guess the one they had to cut the
canopy on when the pilot couldn't get it to open was locked up in one of
the hangers.
That JSF static display wasn't particularly convincing though. The
"joints" on the vertical tails looked like black pin striping tape. I
also noticed the canopy didn't have the amber coating the other stealth
aircraft have. I'm thinking the coating probably keeps radar from
getting reflections off the cockpit interior.
Rufus - 15 Jun 2006 02:06 GMT
>> Have a look at the "Hot Bird of the Week" pictures on the Two Bobs
>> website.
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> aircraft have. I'm thinking the coating probably keeps radar from
> getting reflections off the cockpit interior.
Canopies are expensive - you don't waste money on a combat canopy for a
test jet...and I'd wager that the "joints" you observed on the tails
were probably external runs of instumentation wiring - strain gauges and
such - which were covered with dental cement, epoxy or some such.
Common practice.
Never make production assumptions from a test jet...unless you work on them.

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Jeff Barringer - 15 Jun 2006 03:29 GMT
Of course they are real and they are spec-tac-ular
>>> Have a look at the "Hot Bird of the Week" pictures on the Two Bobs
>>> website.
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> Never make production assumptions from a test jet...unless you work on
> them.
AussieRob - 17 Jun 2006 04:54 GMT
> Of course they are real and they are spec-tac-ular
Boring boring boring... and ugly, too.
Rob
Rufus - 17 Jun 2006 06:57 GMT
>>Of course they are real and they are spec-tac-ular
>
> Boring boring boring... and ugly, too.
>
> Rob
...until they shoot at you.

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Mad-Modeller - 17 Jun 2006 08:16 GMT
> >>Of course they are real and they are spec-tac-ular
> >
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> --
> - Rufus
Confrontation can be ugly too. ;)
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Rufus - 17 Jun 2006 16:52 GMT
>>>>Of course they are real and they are spec-tac-ular
>>>
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>
> Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
...winning ugly.

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Mad-Modeller - 18 Jun 2006 03:04 GMT
Speaking of ugly, the Thunderbirds are at Willow Grove this weekend.
I know it's just a personal thing but 30 years later and I still don't
like the F-16 all that much. I can't figure why I took such a dislike
to the thing but it's still there.
Out of all the kits I bought of it I still only ever built one and that
was because I needed one for a hobby show display.
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
e - 18 Jun 2006 03:25 GMT
>Speaking of ugly, the Thunderbirds are at Willow Grove this weekend.
>I know it's just a personal thing but 30 years later and I still don't
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>
>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
i haven't like any of them since the f-86. well, maybe the
111. modern jets have no personality.
Rufus - 18 Jun 2006 18:17 GMT
>>Speaking of ugly, the Thunderbirds are at Willow Grove this weekend.
>>I know it's just a personal thing but 30 years later and I still don't
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> i haven't like any of them since the f-86. well, maybe the
> 111. modern jets have no personality.
I haven't liked any of them since the F4. I've seen both the T-Birds
and the Blues shows flying the F4 - it was big, fast, smokey, loud
airplane. Just the thing to impress at an airshow. Nothing since has
impressed me as a display airframe...except maybe the F-15.
But I also think the F-16 makes a better show jet than the F/A-18. I
think it's because of teh flexing of the wings on the Hornet...makes the
diamond look sloppier. Neither show is as impressive as the Phantom
shows were though.

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Mad-Modeller - 19 Jun 2006 03:49 GMT
First time I saw the Blue Angels was an F-4 show. Indeed, a very
impressive beast!
The A-4s were, um, cute and altogether a surprise. Who'd think the
little bomber could be so maneuvrable, aside from their crews, I
suppose.
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Enzo Matrix - 19 Jun 2006 08:53 GMT
> First time I saw the Blue Angels was an F-4 show. Indeed, a very
> impressive beast!
> The A-4s were, um, cute and altogether a surprise. Who'd think the
> little bomber could be so maneuvrable, aside from their crews, I
> suppose.
That's why they called it "Heinemann's Hotrod"...

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> Have a look at the "Hot Bird of the Week" pictures on the Two Bobs website.
>
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> applied, also enhance the realism. I wonder how realistic small scale model
> F-22s will look, given that the real things look like second rate TV props!
Yes, they are real. In fact, those shots are more "real" than the
paste-ups of F/A-22s that have been floating around the net recently.
...and if you look closely at a couple of the shots, you can make out
the ejection seat warning triangle at teh extreme aft corner of the
caanopy sill, just below the sill. But you have to look close, and
that's as it should be.
As far as I'm concerned, this is as "real" as a fighter can get. A
pure, efficient, "simple" killing machine with nothing on it that isn't
about the job - if it were any more "real", it would be invisible. It's
not a toy.

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Jim Atkins - 15 Jun 2006 05:58 GMT
Re the JSF that's been on display- the one I saw at Miramar about 2 years
ago was a replica. There was an actual X-35C at Edwards the last time I was
there, but it was engineless. Last I heard, the first actual F-35 was due to
be rolled out this month at Fort Worth.

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Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx
kim - 16 Jun 2006 15:20 GMT
> > Have a look at the "Hot Bird of the Week" pictures on the Two Bobs website.
> >
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> about the job - if it were any more "real", it would be invisible. It's
> not a toy.
Yes and worth every penny too, exactly what the Air Force needs.
(kim)