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Batman and Superhero Model Kits

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Mix - 27 Jun 2006 16:43 GMT
Hi.

 I'm new to this group, having developed a newfound appreciation for the
modeling kits of my youth, probably because I recently turned 49.  I notice
a lot of them are being reissued lately.  I just completed a vinyl Michael
Keaton "Batman Returns" that I found on eBay.  Probably a bad place to
start, as it was one of the most difficult of any I've done.  It looks
great, but it didn't come without sacrifice.  I ruined a countertop, gouged
my left index finger during an Exact-o knife mishap and wore out two tubes
of Bondo just to affix the cape to the figure.  There was a lot of waste
material that had to be cut off before I could even begin to assemble it,
and the entire project took over a month to complete.  Still, the results
were well worth the trouble.

 I've heard talk about "washes" and whatnot, and I've seen photos of the
finished model that shade the visible parts of Batman's face.  The only
detailing I've done is to give him eyes and lips, but if there's something I
can do to enhance the visual, I'm open to suggestions.  Also, I've noticed
that many aficionados prefer acrylics over enamel.  In the case of this
model, I painted his suit, cowl and cape (all black) and orange/yellow and
black bat-insignia in enamels.  I used acrylic flesh tone on the face and
finished with a sprayed enamel dull coat.  Is acrylic best airbrushed on
vinyl or plastic, and why is it better than enamel (if it is)?

 The reason I'm asking is because I've got three other projects in the
hopper.  In keeping with the superhero theme, I happened upon reissues of
1960s-era Superman, Batman, and Robin, the Boy Wonder kits at a toy store in
Purcellville, VA.  I scoured eBay for them and each of them required a bid
or some exhorbitant "Buy It Now!" fee.  eBay has really gone down the tubes
IMHO.  The ones I've found go for 18 bucks apiece, or less.  Anyone
experiencing a similar mid-life crisis can go here:
www.ourshopintoyland.com.  I've received great service from them in terms of
delivery of the goods.  Speaking as someone who's trying to glom on to as
many pieces of his eroding youth as possible, I think I found myself a
bargain!
teem - 28 Jun 2006 02:42 GMT
>Hi.
>
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>many pieces of his eroding youth as possible, I think I found myself a
>bargain!

Great! is that where all the sci fi/fantasy model kits ended up,on
Ebone?.Stores cant compete with that.!walmarts just hanging on with
adimal selection of crap.
Mix - 28 Jun 2006 11:35 GMT
> Great! is that where all the sci fi/fantasy model kits ended up,on
> Ebone?.Stores cant compete with that.!walmarts just hanging on with
> adimal selection of crap.

Well, the toy store where I found this stuff (Our Shop In Toyland or
www.ourshopintoyland.com) is in Purcellville VA.  They seem to have the DC
superheroes pretty well covered.  Of course, Superman's the flava of the day
what with this new movie coming out.  I'd rather pay $18 and shipping
outright than have to go to eBay and bid too much for something I can get
for a reasonable price without having to go through a process.

Also, no offense to those who buy or sell on eBay, but IMHO that marketplace
has become far too unwieldy and sprawling -- to such a degree that fraud is
rampant (by both buyers and sellers), and eBay appears to lack the
infrastructure to self-police and enforce its own charter.  I'm embarrassed
to say how much money I've lost there to shady merchants with very little
redress available to me, other than charge-back (another process).  I'll go
there to bid for something I can't find anywhere else, but I'm going to have
to be convinced that it's available nowhere else before I do.

It would have been cool to see more Marvel characters, like Spider-Man or
Thor.  I built two Spider-man kits, but the little bastard kids who
accompany their Moms to attend my wife's parties while I'm at work keep
taking them home.  A reissue of the Superboy and Krypto kit would be nice.
I remember ruining that one when I was a kid.  Didn't have any flesh tone
handy, so I painted his skin light orange. It was all downhill from there.

Nice to have a second chance at the 1964-era Superman, Batman and Robin
reissues, though.  I know it's considered heresy now, but I intend to paint
Batman's cape and cowl *blue* just like in the old comic books.  Once I'm
done with those, I intend to move on to the Star Trek kits (they've got a
James Tiberius Kirk and one or two others).  Then I'll look around for some
old "Rat-Fink" car kits, and then it's back to military aircraft.

I've been toying with the idea of doing some clay modeling.  I also collect
R. Crumb figures, but they're either out-of-reach price-wise or
out-of-print.  I own a set from Crumb's own website that cost me $340 back
in 2003.  Wonder how much it would get on eBay?  I'll bet modeling clay and
some paint would cost far less.
Mike G. - 28 Jun 2006 21:57 GMT
> Also, no offense to those who buy or sell on eBay, but IMHO that marketplace
> has become far too unwieldy and sprawling -- to such a degree that fraud is
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> there to bid for something I can't find anywhere else, but I'm going to have
> to be convinced that it's available nowhere else before I do.

Hmmm, I've been buying on Ebay for the last 8 months and have never had any trouble. Over a hundred purchases so far.
Always got my stuff and in a timely manner too.
If I think the price is too high, I just don't bid.
Yeah, I'll agree though, if you can get it elsewhere then that's the way to go. But if not, then Ebay is your best bet.
Mike G
teem - 29 Jun 2006 02:33 GMT
>> Also, no offense to those who buy or sell on eBay, but IMHO that marketplace
>> has become far too unwieldy and sprawling -- to such a degree that fraud is
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>Yeah, I'll agree though, if you can get it elsewhere then that's the way to go. But if not, then Ebay is your best bet.
>Mike G

What is the deal now adays?,years ago it was a no brainer to be bop
down to almost any store (pharmacy?) & pick up your fave-or-rite model
kit.today,it's all attitude-Oh,we feel models dont suit our changing
needs- typical chain store crap.
Mike G. - 29 Jun 2006 04:21 GMT
> What is the deal now adays?,years ago it was a no brainer to be bop
> down to almost any store (pharmacy?) & pick up your fave-or-rite model
> kit.today,it's all attitude-Oh,we feel models dont suit our changing
> needs- typical chain store crap.

I know, my closest Wal-mart even has nothing but diecast.
Only Hobby Lobby or Amarillo Hobby House is left here.
Here I say, but those are a 60 mile drive one way for me.

Mike G.
dbpbandit - 29 Jun 2006 17:28 GMT
Welcome to the group.... I'll try to answer at least a couple of your
questions from my own experiences. I also built the "Keaton - Batman
Returns" kit several years ago.

http://www.pasquinellifamily.com/daves_spot/batman.htm

this was my 4th or 5th figure kit and personally I think it's a good
starter kit. 90% of the kit is all basically one color and the other
10% are the emblems, belt and face (the face being the biggest
challenge) however it's not even a full face. Sorry to hear you had
such a troubling time building the kit but you'll get better with
practice. My first kit took me several weeks to get right and it was
just an Alien from the movie "Alien" you wouldn't think it would be so
hard but then again it was my first figure kit. As a kid I too was all
about drug store model kits and lots of funny smelling glue and enamel
model paints and thinners - I rarely use them anymore. (Not that there
is anything wrong with them) Now I prefer to use "Zap-A-Gap" (super
glue) and acrylic paints for most of my kits because it's very easy to
use and clean up. They also work great for washes and dry brushing and
if you make a mistake, it's easy to remove everything and start over
again from scratch. Enamels are not so forgiving and to be honest I
hate using them anymore, take too much time to clean up too. But this
is all just my opinion, a lot of people use enamels and they do a very
good job, you'll just have to figure out what you like best and go with
it. That's the cool part of this hobby, as long as you're happy, that's
all that maters.
As far as what you can do on your Batman's face; I noticed you sealed
everything with a clear dull coat, that's great. Now you can experiment
on the face with some acrylic washes and dry brushing. if you don't
like the way it looks, just wash it off and start over. The clear dull
coat should protect the finish you have now and allow you to add to the
detail. After your happy with the results, clear coat it again to seal
it. There are many articles for painting techniques like washes and dry
brushing like the one at;

http://www.gremlins.com/denis_bohm/painting_basics.html

This is a great place to start as it's specifically for Figure Kits.
They also have lots of other articles that are just as informative -
the sight has some racy images so be warned but in all it's a great
source for information on the hobby. In fact, the Gremlins web site is
one of the first web sites that are dedicated specifically to Figure
and Garage kits.

http://www.gremlins.com

When I got started I was lucky, a good friend of mine was very much
into it and also very talented. I learned as much from him as I could
and then just kept on going. He isn't around anymore but I'm grateful
that he took the time to teach me and get me back into the modeling
hobby again.

I hope I answered some of your questions and if you have any more just
ask. These groups are a great source of information and experience and
to top it off, it's free... Happy modeling....

-Dave

> Hi.
>
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> many pieces of his eroding youth as possible, I think I found myself a
> bargain!
Mix - 30 Jun 2006 22:38 GMT
Thanks!  That's about how mine looks.  I've got some touch-up work to do,
though -- so while I'm about it, I may as well ask: what color are
Keaton/Batman's eyes?  I made 'em blue, but I can easily revise.

This is also my third go-round on the bat-emblem.  I had it perfect(!), but
then I forgot to mask it when I was spray-painting over some Bondo to smooth
out a seam at the right shoulder, and it got some over-spray.  Not
insurmountable.

Also, I think I may have cut away too much of what I believed to be "excess
material" at the bottom of the boots, so now it's no longer capable of
free-standing.  Mind you, I got this copy of the kit from Singapore and it
wasn't even in its original box -- it came in a plastic bag along with a
very poor, virtually unreadable copy of instructions.  My solution was to
improvise shims for the irregularities in his stance and then "Liquid Nails"
it onto a finished wooden display base.  There's still very minor work to be
done on it, but I'm satisfied enough with it that I can put it aside for a
second to work on the retro projects I recently acquired from
www.ourshopintoyland.com.

The only differences I see between the example shown in your link and mine
is that the Bat-suit on mine is flatter, but that was personal preference,
(with some influence by my wife, who is very influential), your completed
kit is capable of free-standing (unlike mine) and your facial detail work
exceeds anything I may have thought to do.  I'll check the link and try my
luck.  Thanks for the advice.

Also, thanks for the vindication of my use of mixed mediums.  I tend to use
spray (and usually flat) enamels for large uniformly-colored parts such as
Keaton's bat-suit and acrylics for detail work.  Also, my primers are
usually enamel.  People talk about acrylic vs. enamel primers as though it
makes a difference as to which is better to be used, but I can't tell...  I
like spray primer because I can prime an entire "sheet" of parts in two
passes and get on with it a lot sooner.

At the moment, I'm working on both the 1966-vintage Robin, the Boy Wonder
and the 1989-vintage Batmobile.  When I get bored with working on one, I
move on to the other.  Robin's more of a challenge, or at least his head is,
because it's less than an inch high and requires a lot of detail.  Also,
there's no "R" emblem on the right side of his suit, nor is there a decal
for it and I'm a purist, so I may just paint one in.  The Batmobile's a pain
in the a** only because the kit requires me to paint features that aren't
visible, and won't be in the finished product.  The cockpit's about 1" wide,
and they require the dials and numbers to be painted red and the bezels to
be painted silver.  I may skip that step.  I've built the 1964 Batman and
Superman kits before, so it will be easy to improve on the ones that were
destroyed during moves from place to place, or stolen.  The Batman kit from
'64 will be painted blue and grey, because that's how he looked back then.

Thanks again for your help and your welcome, dbpbandit!

> Welcome to the group.... I'll try to answer at least a couple of your
> questions from my own experiences. I also built the "Keaton - Batman
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>
> -Dave
 
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