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AHoy - 01 Jul 2006 03:10 GMT
Anyone still here that takes on the daunting task of working on the old  
frigates?
Don Stauffer - 01 Jul 2006 14:47 GMT
> Anyone still here that takes on the daunting task of working on the old  
> frigates?

Well, currently I have left frigates for SOL.  I have two under
construction, one a POB wooden kit, one a large Heller plastic.

With this kind of model I never put it on bench and work on it straight
through till finished.  I get burned out and switch to something else.
When the model car kit on my bench is finished, it will be back to the
Heller Soleil Royale.  Hull is virtually done.  I am adding gun tackle
on all visible guns, and still have a few more to do.  Then will erect
masts and start rigging.

The wooden kit is the Le Superbe.  Hull is done, guns rigged, will be
putting in lower mast and bowsprit next and proceding to rigging.
MossyOats - 01 Jul 2006 15:20 GMT
>> Anyone still here that takes on the daunting task of working on the
>> old  frigates?
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> The wooden kit is the Le Superbe.  Hull is done, guns rigged, will be
> putting in lower mast and bowsprit next and proceding to rigging.

Sweet.  My neighbor picked up Heller's Victory not long ago.  Upon
inspection, I was impressed with Heller's plastic hull. The brown plastic
with the wood graining can easily be prepped with a wash and could be
considered complete.  I prefer the plastics these days as turn around
time speaks for itself.  I'll go to great lengths to create any plastic
to look like the wooden displays.  In fact, I'm at a point where I'll
just require the plastic hull and deck.  I have a large collection of
dowel rods that I'll contour to any form. My testaments include a 3'
Cutty and 3' Constitution that took a 4'foot fall (both)on a carpeted
floor and absolutely no damage was done.  Both boats fell straight on the
bowsprit / dolphin strikers.  I use wool and cotton floss for the
rigging, florist wire and soft solder throughout.  I can turn a Revel
1/96 scale out in under 90 days and customers are always most impressed
and pleased with the savings.

Best of luck on both projects.

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e - 01 Jul 2006 16:21 GMT
>>> Anyone still here that takes on the daunting task of working on the
>>> old  frigates?
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>
>Best of luck on both projects.

any pictures? i've been sitting on a constitution for years
and need motivation. help me see what's possible.
MossyOats - 01 Jul 2006 17:09 GMT
>>>> Anyone still here that takes on the daunting task of working on the
>>>> old  frigates?
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> any pictures? i've been sitting on a constitution for years
> and need motivation. help me see what's possible.

Ah man...I've built countless numbers of the 1:96 scale Revelle's line of  
USS Constitution.  Just picked one up off of eBay recently for a whopping  
20 bucks.  Flawless.  I wish I had a camera, as its on the bottom list of  
things to pick up, too many darn vet bills lately (cats).  I can tell ya  
this..I'm sold completely on the Tamiya acrylics.  I used the testors  
forever and a day, then found the Model Masters by accident.  But then I  
was introduced to Tamiya and I haven't looked back.  It flows so smooth  
and uniform with any decent brush.  Clean up is a breeze.

I'm not able to devote the time anymore for the typical planking anymore  
for wooden scales.  I have worked out a method using a CAD program where I  
grab up 4x4s and 6x6s, mill them into 1/2 inches strips with a rough  
contour and construct the main hull from the keel upwards, sanding to  
desired contour.

But when I need a quick sale or someone wants some nice furnishing for  
their den or wherever, I grab a Revelle quick like and I'm on the run.  
When I mentioned under 90 days, that's an 'average' of 3 hours a day.  
When I'm motivated, I can spend a day.  If time doesn't permit..its minute  
detailing or sub-assembly as order of the day.

I know you've gleemed the 'net over photos of serious wooden ships.  You  
can duplicate an exacting appearance with little efforts on the Revelles  
and Hellers.

Mentioned above, the falls on the dolphin strikers and jib boom suffered  
no damage whatsoever.  Had I used the plastic booms supplied, I would have  
been forced to remove hours of rigging, strip parts and redo w/the dowels.
I use wool, cotton and nylon for rigging.  The wools and nylons will stand  
the test of time, bar none. Any good sewing shop will keep you  
brainstorming on choices of rigging thread.  I could ramble on for days.

I was disappointed to see Revelle drop the Cutty.  I shop high and low and  
can find vendors out there with old stock.  I grab them quick like when I  
can. Got one now, in the box.  Die marks suggest it was made in 1973.  It  
was in cold storage so I can anticipate alot of the yards and mast could  
be brittle.  No worries. The Hull's integrity is all I really need.  Dowel  
rods to the rescue and I'm off and running. :D

Enough Rambling..
Just joined this ship heads group this am...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ShipModelers-Forum/

Heave..........Heave....
e - 01 Jul 2006 19:10 GMT
>>>>> Anyone still here that takes on the daunting task of working on the
>>>>> old  frigates?
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>
>Heave..........Heave....

well, maybe you'll get mine in trade. i may not be up for
it.
MossyOats - 01 Jul 2006 21:16 GMT
>>> In article <Xns97F35F3E64C72nimwhitnimnodescom@66.133.129.71>,  
>>> MossyOats
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> well, maybe you'll get mine in trade. i may not be up for
> it.

Fire away with an offer.  We can have a private discussion at your  
convenience.  You can reach me at cuttysark_96[at]hotmail[dot]com.  Lets  
HAGGLE !!!
Ron Smith - 02 Jul 2006 04:58 GMT
Could you guys learn to truncate all the previous junk?

> Fire away with an offer.  We can have a private discussion at your  
> convenience.  You can reach me at cuttysark_96[at]hotmail[dot]com.  
> Lets  HAGGLE !!!
MossyOats - 02 Jul 2006 05:14 GMT
> Could you guys learn to truncate all the previous junk?
>
>> Fire away with an offer.  We can have a private discussion at your  
>> convenience.  You can reach me at cuttysark_96[at]hotmail[dot]com.  
>> Lets  HAGGLE !!!

Oh we know full well the etiquette of usenet.  We're just lazy on  
Saturdays.
Ron Smith - 02 Jul 2006 06:56 GMT
Ah well, laziness on your part often precludes reading the post and
information in a reply on my part. Shame too because there are vague
clues buried in the junk and I may have something you want but I'm not
wading through 18 untruncated posts to find out.

>> Could you guys learn to truncate all the previous junk?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Oh we know full well the etiquette of usenet.  We're just lazy on  
> Saturdays.
MossyOats - 02 Jul 2006 07:08 GMT
> Ah well, laziness on your part often precludes reading the post and  
> information in a reply on my part. Shame too because there are vague  
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>   Oh we know full well the etiquette of usenet.  We're just lazy on  
>> Saturdays.

Well, I've found that different groups like different styles of reply.  
Its hard to keep everyone happy.
If I had snipped some part of the thread...someone else would have  
complained.
MossyOats - 03 Jul 2006 15:48 GMT
>>> In article <Xns97F35F3E64C72nimwhitnimnodescom@66.133.129.71>,  
>>> MossyOats
>>> <duh_duh@duh_duh.com> wrote:

> well, maybe you'll get mine in trade. i may not be up for
> it.

Are you open for discussion on some trading?

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Andrew M - 01 Jul 2006 21:08 GMT
What do you use the florist wire and solder for? I have been thinking about
doing a sailing boat and have been considering different materials for the
various non-hull items; I like the idea of dowels for the spars and masts.

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> Best of luck on both projects.
MossyOats - 01 Jul 2006 22:21 GMT
> What do you use the florist wire and solder for? I have been thinking  
> about
> doing a sailing boat and have been considering different materials for  
> the
> various non-hull items; I like the idea of dowels for the spars and  
> masts.

I fasten all the main and studding yards with 18-24 gauge wire, reducing  
wire diameter as you move up the mast.  Non-Rosin Silver Solder serves to  
create the raceways on the lower masts to assist in the yards' turning and  
positioning. Solder and stainless paperclips make great 'jewelry' for  
accents. Braiding nails..finishing nails make great railing posts as well  
as tie-off points for deadeyes and cateyes...which I heat on a portable  
hotplate burner and press into the plastic hulls.  Holds forever.  The  
superglues found for plastic models are the only way to rig. Knot-tieing  
slows the turnover down too much.  Alot of the knots that require tieing  
(for visual reasons) still need a drop of superglue to ensure they do not  
loosen. I use the cotton floss and wool yarns (and heavy gauged nylon for  
lower ratlines) for the rigging with the typical wax block to eliminate  
the fraying.  As such, the wax buildup will not always guarantee a secure  
knot..they can slip loose.  Just a drop of glue prevents this.

...[realizes that pictures speaks volumes]...  When I can, I'll illustrate  
this otherwise rambling with some drawings and send them up to the  
webspace to help convey this discussion better.

Your question was about the dowel usage.  You can not have enough square  
and round toothpicks.  You can easily make better cross-trees and dolphin  
strikers.

More to follow. HTH 8-)
Andrew M - 03 Jul 2006 12:31 GMT
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> ...[realizes that pictures speaks volumes]...  When I can, I'll illustrate
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> More to follow. HTH 8-)

Awesome tips - these really get the creative stuff flowing.
John DeBoo - 02 Jul 2006 01:29 GMT
> With this kind of model I never put it on bench and work on it straight
> through till finished.  I get burned out and switch to something else.
> When the model car kit on my bench is finished, it will be back to the
> Heller Soleil Royale.

Don, I have 2 of these in my ship stash (the rpice was right) and was
wondering what your opinion of it was, the Heller Soleil Royale.  I also
have the Heller HMS Victory to do too but am still dabbling with a car
here and there, plus the rigging on the large RM Constitution.

John D.
Norm Dresner - 01 Jul 2006 17:43 GMT
| Anyone still here that takes on the daunting task of working on the old
| frigates?

I just happen to be doing a pair of sailing ships for a late 1930's Maine
Seacoast diorama.  First time and it's quite a change from model
railroading.  OTOH, I love the challenges and may become hooked.

   Norm
 
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