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Model Forum / General / Models / July 2006Decal solutions over acrylics?
Given the fact that decal solutions are nothing more than watered down vinegar and alcohol, how can I avoid an ugly reaction between the solutions and underlying clearcoat? FWIW, the clearcoat is Future in some spots and Krylon acrylic clear in others. Waiting a week or two really isn't an option on this. As an aside, I only use MM acryls and enamels. >Given the fact that decal solutions are nothing more than watered down >vinegar and alcohol, how can I avoid an ugly reaction between the >solutions and underlying clearcoat? FWIW, the clearcoat is Future in some >spots and Krylon acrylic clear in others. Waiting a week or two really >isn't an option on this. As an aside, I only use MM acryls and enamels. if you can give a solid 24 hours, it should work ok. use sparingly. In article <60257f2b8d83692fcf3431a1bd5139e0 @localhost.talkaboutcrafting.com>, timetraveler658@yahooyahoo.com says... > Given the fact that decal solutions are nothing more than watered down > vinegar and alcohol, how can I avoid an ugly reaction between the > solutions and underlying clearcoat? FWIW, I never had any kind of reaction with Microscale's or Modem Master's over Gunze/Tamiya/Lifecolor/Aircraft Colors/Vallejo- Andrea/Future/Alclad, even when applied less than 24 hours after the last coat....  Signature-sdg "Un gromono, mon royaume pour un gromono!" Shakespeare - Richard III >In article <60257f2b8d83692fcf3431a1bd5139e0 >@localhost.talkaboutcrafting.com>, timetraveler658@yahooyahoo.com [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Andrea/Future/Alclad, even when applied less than 24 hours after the >last coat.... modem master? or model master? > >> In article <60257f2b8d83692fcf3431a1bd5139e0 [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > modem master? or model master? > C'mon e, it's a typo. :-) SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To Email, remove the double zeroes after 'at' >>> In article <60257f2b8d83692fcf3431a1bd5139e0 >>> @localhost.talkaboutcrafting.com>, timetraveler658@yahooyahoo.com [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > C'mon e, it's a typo. :-) But you're gonna take the fun outta usenets...part of the fun is picking at obvious typos. SignatureTrailer For Sale or Rent >>>> In article <60257f2b8d83692fcf3431a1bd5139e0 >>>> @localhost.talkaboutcrafting.com>, timetraveler658@yahooyahoo.com [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >But you're gonna take the fun outta usenets...part of the fun is picking >at obvious typos. and i make so many i'll never be accused of elitism. >>>>> In article <60257f2b8d83692fcf3431a1bd5139e0 >>>>> @localhost.talkaboutcrafting.com>, timetraveler658@yahooyahoo.com [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> > and i make so many i'll never be accused of elitism. My eiltism to a back seat to the usenet. Wanted: Winchester Super-X 12 ga. above 80% condition. SignatureTrailer For Sale or Rent >>>>>> In article <60257f2b8d83692fcf3431a1bd5139e0 >>>>>> @localhost.talkaboutcrafting.com>, timetraveler658@yahooyahoo.com [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >My eiltism to a back seat to the usenet. >Wanted: Winchester Super-X 12 ga. above 80% condition. how about a 12 guage pump? MossyOats offered me a plate of cheese and whispered: >>>> In article <60257f2b8d83692fcf3431a1bd5139e0 >>>> @localhost.talkaboutcrafting.com>, timetraveler658@yahooyahoo.com [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > But you're gonna take the fun outta usenets...part of the fun is > picking at obvious typos. No it snot! ;-) SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > MossyOats offered me a plate of cheese and whispered: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > No it snot! ;-) Snyes It Is [stuffy nosed] SignatureTrailer For Sale or Rent >>>> In article <60257f2b8d83692fcf3431a1bd5139e0 >>>> @localhost.talkaboutcrafting.com>, timetraveler658@yahooyahoo.com [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > But you're gonna take the fun outta usenets...part of the fun is > picking at obvious typos. Only when you have no solution, or can offer no advice. SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To Email, remove the double zeroes after 'at' >>>>> In article <60257f2b8d83692fcf3431a1bd5139e0 >>>>> @localhost.talkaboutcrafting.com>, timetraveler658@yahooyahoo.com [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Only when you have no solution, or can offer no advice. Still in college...wait no...drop some courses, right? SignatureTrailer For Sale or Rent >>>>>> In article <60257f2b8d83692fcf3431a1bd5139e0 >>>>>> @localhost.talkaboutcrafting.com>, timetraveler658@yahooyahoo.com [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> >Still in college...wait no...drop some courses, right? get a strunk and white? Oh Yeah Oh Yeah Oh Yeah= On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:26:32 -0500, willshak <willshak@00hvc.rr.com> made sure that MossyOats was pissed on, and screamed into the shower head in the key of <dammit>: >>>>> In article <60257f2b8d83692fcf3431a1bd5139e0 >>>>> @localhost.talkaboutcrafting.com>, timetraveler658@yahooyahoo.com [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Only when you have no solution, or can offer no advice. I spent half my life trouble-shooting and problem solving. I'lll never know it all. SignatureTrailer For Sale or Rent >Oh Yeah Oh Yeah Oh Yeah=3D > [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > >Trailer For Sale or Rent or like the old prospector said, i spent half my life looking for my damn mule. The reason that I finally gave up on Gunze Hobby colors was the fact that any decal setting/solvent /solution or just plain water usually ruined the paint surface. Drying time was not a factor. Every time I applied a decal, then used a cloth to press it down or mop up the excess water or applied any of the several decal solvents or setting brands I use, the paint started to soften. If I found a paint flaw that needed light sanding and attempted to use fine grit wet-or-dry it would turn to goop and ruin the surface. I have a lot of finished models in my display case, and over time they sometimes need some cleaning/dusting. I had no confidence that light soapy water or even just soap suds would not attack the finish. As a result of all of the above I made the switch to Gunze lacquers and have never looked back. Have no reason at all to regret the move. All of the good qualities of the Hobby colors with none of the disadvantages. Norm > The reason that I finally gave up on Gunze Hobby colors was the fact that > any decal setting/solvent /solution or just plain water usually ruined the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > never looked back. Have no reason at all to regret the move. All of the > good qualities of the Hobby colors with none of the disadvantages. Yes, I know the feeling :-( However, if you first apply a coat of something harder over the fully-dried acrylic, you will have no more troubles. Now, clearly Gunze Mr. Color clear over Gunze Hobby Color is not a good idea :-) But something that does not react with either is enamel: plenty to choose from, including Tamiya even. That's what I do at the moment, until my stock of Hobby Color cries up or becomes unuseable. I don't plan on buying any more of the stuff either! SignatureGernot Hassenpflug (gernot@rish.kyoto-u.ac.jp) Tel: +81 774 38-3866 JSPS Fellow (Rm.403, RISH, Kyoto Uni.) Fax: +81 774 31-8463 www.rish.kyoto-u.ac.jp/radar-group/members/gernot Mob: +81 90 39493924 >> In article <MPG.1f1381a77566fc8198a187@news.free.fr>, Serge D. Grun >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >C'mon e, it's a typo. :-) really? (i was just yankin'.) > >C'mon e, it's a typo. :-) > > really? > (i was just yankin'.) Chain, chain, chain....... But seriously, I've never tried to apply decals over acrylics mainly because the few times I use acrylics have been on figures. I love the blendability of acrylics when shading or mixing. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > >FWIW, I never had any kind of reaction with Microscale's or Modem > >Master's over Gunze/Tamiya/Lifecolor/Aircraft Colors/Vallejo- > >Andrea/Future/Alclad, even when applied less than 24 hours after the > >last coat.... > > > modem master? or model master? Of course it's Modem Master. Model Master doesn't mean a thing. Signature-sdg "Un gromono, mon royaume pour un gromono!" Shakespeare - Richard III |
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