> > Micromark has "book sets " of fine drills .
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> http://www.micromark.com/
> > > Micromark has "book sets " of fine drills .
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> -- Stephen
I find even the steel bits break very easily, but the 1/8 shank carbide
ones REALLY break a lot. I have stopped buying them. I find model expo
has good prices on three-packs, three bits of one size. I consider
small drill bits expendable supplies.
Bluepen - 22 Jul 2006 17:42 GMT
Thanks guys!! I got some on the way from Micromark... but will
definitely keep all your suggestions in mind. The carbide 1/8 shank
bits are truely brittle...
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>has good prices on three-packs, three bits of one size. I consider
>small drill bits expendable supplies.
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| -- Stephen
You can get a pretty good selection of sets at
www.drillbitcity.com
Just a satisfied customer. I've bought mostly very, very small sizes there.
#81 down to #97 are available most of the time. Larger sizes seem to be
always available.
Norm
Gray Ghost - 22 Jul 2006 20:36 GMT
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> Norm
Very good link! Thanks!
Frank
FYI, Those packs of 1/8" shank carbide drills sold by Micro Mark are
USED circuit board drills. I use to be involved in the manufacture of
military electronics. The machines they come off of are huge,
mulitiple spindle computer controlled router / drills. The secret is
that the RPM is extremely high, the feed rate into the material is
precisely controlled and there is NO play (wiggling) between the
spindle and the material being drilled. It's pretty difficult not to
snap them off when drilling by hand with a Dremel tool !
It is standard manufacturing practice to replace the drills after they
drill X number of holes. That's where Micro Mark is getting them and
why the sizes you get in the packs is pot-luck. There's still lots of
life left in them for the hobbist - they just too dull to reliably
make a good hole in a circuit board.
I bought a box of them from Micro Mark years ago and immediately sent
them back when I saw what they really were. (I recall they were
advertised as assorted carbide burrs at that time.) I stick with steel
drills. They are MUCH less likely to snap.
A couple of tips for drilling those #60 - #80 holes:
1) To keep your drill from skating all over creation, always start
your hole with an indentation from a sharp needle or pin. Your'll find
it a lot easier to get a non-moving object exactly where you want it.
The drill will self-center in the indentation. If you want holes in
straight row, lightly scribe a line, then prick with the pin. To get
even spacing, use saw teeth as a guide for the pin. Or use dividers to
"walk" down a scribed line.
2) Once you get the hole started, use a little lubricant to help the
chips to clear the flutes of the drill without clogging up. Nothing
exhotic. A little dish soap, candle wax, oil. Even spit is better than
drilling dry.
3) If the chips aren't clearing the drill, pull the drill out
immediately and wipe the chips off.
4) Drill at low RPM. Melting the plastic and binding the drill is the
biggest problem. Go slow, use lubricant. The lowest speed on the speed
controlled Dremels is OK for #60 down to #70. Smaller than that, I use
a foot operated speed controller which runs the flex shaft so slow I
can count the revolutions.
5) Use a pin vise and drill by hand. I find the standard double ended
pin vise too unstable to use with small drills, so I added a yoke to
the "big" end for my index finger. The yoke has a shaft that goes into
the untightened 1/8" collet. This allows me to hold the pin vise
steady with my index finger while turning the body of the vise with my
thumb and middle finger. This feature is common on many jewelers
screwdrivers, but I haven't seen it on a pin vise. It might exist.
I've tried the miniature Archimedes drill (which has a high angle
helix on the outside with a mating nut that you run up and down the
shaft to make it turn) but I cannot recommend it. I found it too
unstable.
6) A final tip. If you are having trouble - consider buying new
drills. Styrene is soft - but it is surprizingly abrasive. Ever notice
how often you replace your #11 blade? You may not use that #80 drill
often, but its cutting edges are a lot smaller. It wears out, too!
Greg Reynolds, IPMS
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>-- Stephen
Uffe Bærentsen - 28 Jul 2006 23:36 GMT
> FYI, Those packs of 1/8" shank carbide drills sold by Micro Mark are
> USED circuit board drills. I use to be involved in the manufacture of
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> advertised as assorted carbide burrs at that time.) I stick with steel
> drills. They are MUCH less likely to snap.
Just saw the thread, and MikroMark sure are cheap on drillbits :-)
But Greg, why did you send them back?
'cause they were used (dull)?
'cause they were resharpened?
or something else?
I'm only asking 'cause I'm thinking of ordering them.
My use will primarly be for homemade PCB's.
So, are these drill bits good enough for this task?

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Uffe Bærentsen
Stephen Tontoni - 29 Jul 2006 02:54 GMT
> > FYI, Those packs of 1/8" shank carbide drills sold by Micro Mark are
> > USED circuit board drills. I use to be involved in the manufacture of
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> My use will primarly be for homemade PCB's.
> So, are these drill bits good enough for this task?
I'm sure Greg will answer about printed circuit boards.. but for our
uses, models made mostly of styrene, they work great. Only problem is
that they snap off VERY easily.
Worst catastrophe I ever had was when I was holding an open plastic box
full of very fine carbide bits, and the hinge on the box gave. I managed
to direct the box to the table and landed it upright, but it hit kinda
hard. I think I lost an even dozen #77 - #80 bits. They didn't get
broken by force, but by the jarring when the box hit the table.
Oh well.
--- Stephen
Peter W. - 29 Jul 2006 05:47 GMT
> Just saw the thread, and MikroMark sure are cheap on drillbits :-)
> But Greg, why did you send them back?
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> My use will primarly be for homemade PCB's.
> So, are these drill bits good enough for this task?
Uffe,
using standard HSS (High Speed Steel) hobby drills on PC boards will
make them dull really quickly.
You will have much better luck with TC (Tungsten Carbide) drills. Those
are designed for drilling PC boards. They will drill thousands of
holes without getting dull but they are very brittle. You will have
best results using them in a drill press.
New ones are very expensive (I've seen then up to $20 US) per bit. But
you can get used or resharpened ones much cheaper.
I buy mine on eBay or from Kevin Strel. Seems that Kevin no longer has
a TC Drills website. But you could try to email him to see if he has
any left. He used to sell them really cheap.
Here is his info:
http://www.pwbrc.org/templates/rvdisplay.cfm?id=30
Peteski