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Model Forum / General / Models / August 2006Canberra PR9
I have just seen three Canberra PR9s flying in formation over my house. I live not far from RAF Marham (in fact, I used to serve there a number of years ago), RAF Lakenheath and RAF Mildenhall (the latter two are USAFE bases) and so I'm used to seeing military aircraft. There was an article a couple of weeks back in the local newspaper about 39 Sqn at Marham. They had just completed their final operational mission over Afghanistan and were preparing for disbandment. I reckon that those three Canberras that I've just seen are the last airworthy ones in the RAF. After hearing about all the problems that they have had with them over the last few years, I'm amazed that they managed to get three serviceable at once! The Canberra PR9 is a strategic reconnaissance aircraft - the last one that the RAF has. It will be withdrawn without being replaced. There is a lot of that going around in the British armed forces these days. The Sea Harrier F/A2 has recently been withdrawn from service, to be replaced by the Harrier GR9. However, the GR9 has no radar and no offensive air-to-air capability and so British fleet units now have no in-depth air-defence. This situation will remain until the F-35 is brought into service in 2017. Did I say "until"? I meant "if". And it's a big "if". Look at the situation with the Eurofighter Typhoon. The Typhoon was supposed to be in service by 1998. Eight years later and it is only just coming into squadron service. However the jet is so unreliable as to be operationally useless. So severe were the problems that the Operational Conversion Unit had to based at Warton, the manufacturer's airfield, for a year. Typhoon is now in service, but the maintainance man-hours required to keep the thing in the air are significantly higher than that required by the Jaguar, a 30 year old jet which the Typhoon has replaced. Add to that the problem that the Typhoon isn't yet cleared for the release of air-to-ground stores and we can see that it's not exactly a viable Jaguar replacement, is it? I worry about the future of the British armed forces. In the meantime, it was nice to see some Canberras in flight - maybe for the last time. At least they were quiet! ;-)  SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. >I have just seen three Canberra PR9s flying in formation over my house. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. It is not just the British forces - look at the original build rates of the F-22 and JSF airframes and the Seawolf subs vs. what is now being discussed. That reminds me, I still have my Matchbox kit half-built. I would have liked to see the real ones myself. For awhile there I had a growing pile of Canberra kits as I've long fancied them. I almost tried talking my friend out of his Frog Mk.7 but decided to let him keep it. I can't have them all, at least without winning a lottery. ;) Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > I almost tried talking my friend out of his Frog Mk.7 I have one of those in my Deep Stash. SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > I have just seen three Canberra PR9s flying in formation over my house. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > that going around in the British armed forces these days. The Sea Harrier > F/A2 has recently been withdrawn from service For sale, here:- http://tinyurl.com/oq4sr Requires engine, pilot's seat and armaments to complete. Canberras next? (kim) > For sale, here:- > > http://tinyurl.com/oq4sr > > Requires engine, pilot's seat and armaments to complete. The blurb says "You are bidding on a decommissioned Royal Navy Sea Harrier which saw active service in the Falklands 1982." Not in *that* form it didn't! The wing assemblies are interchangeable between aircraft. In an attempt to reduce the fatigue life on many aircraft, during the mid 80s the wings of the whole Sea Harrier fleet were replaced with new-build assemblies. The old wing assemblies were transferred to the RAF to be used on the GR3 fleet. When the aircraft were converted to F/A2 standard, they had a plug inserted into the rear fuselage. The tails were not necessarily matched up to the fuselage from which they came! It's like claiming that you have used the same yardbrush for the past 25 years, despite having changed the head three times and the shaft twice! :-D SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > > For sale, here:- > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > years, despite having changed the head three times and the shaft twice! :-D So how much of the NRM's Flying Scotsman remains original? The driver's tea-caddy perhaps? (kim) >>> For sale, here:- >>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > So how much of the NRM's Flying Scotsman remains original? The > driver's tea-caddy perhaps? LOL Just *don't* get me started on that! LNER livery and smoke deflectors?????? Puh-leeeeeez! SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > It's like claiming that you have used the same yardbrush for the past 25 > years, despite having changed the head three times and the shaft twice! :-D Ok, I have to ask, what exactly is a yardbrush? >> It's like claiming that you have used the same yardbrush for the >> past 25 years, despite having changed the head three times and the >> shaft twice! :-D > > Ok, I have to ask, what exactly is a yardbrush? LOL It's a brush used for brushing your back yard. It has a a roughly rectangular head with stiff bristles mounted on a cylindrical shaft. It also goes by the name "bass broom" but that name seems to get people even more confused. I can't win! ;-) http://www.carlfdirect.co.uk/catalogue/yard_brush/index.html SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > >> It's like claiming that you have used the same yardbrush for the > >> past 25 years, despite having changed the head three times and the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > It's a brush used for brushing your back yard. It has a a roughly > rectangular head with stiff bristles mounted on a cylindrical shaft. Now you've gone and wrecked his excuse for not clearing the back yard! (kim) > > Ok, I have to ask, what exactly is a yardbrush? > It's a brush used for brushing your back yard. Enzo - you have to add that in the UK a "yard" is an enclosed, paved area (hence the big stiff bristles), attached to a building; you get little ones at the back of terraced housing and really big ones attached to (e.g.) factories. In the USA (and Canada?) the yard is what we in the UK call "the garden". So in the UK you can sweep the yard, but in N.A. you'd have a hard time sweeping all of "the yard". If you have a really big yard, you need a big yard brush .. in fact I've seen 'em nearly a yard wide! :-P John >> > Ok, I have to ask, what exactly is a yardbrush? >> It's a brush used for brushing your back yard. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >John sheesh, the english worship their plants and wax the suckers! > > > Ok, I have to ask, what exactly is a yardbrush? > > It's a brush used for brushing your back yard. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > John Ah, a pushbroom! Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. Mad-Modeller smirked: >>>> Ok, I have to ask, what exactly is a yardbrush? >>> It's a brush used for brushing your back yard. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Ah, a pushbroom! Yup. Use it for three hours and you get a 8 by 12 four-bed room. SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > Yup. Use it for three hours and you get a 8 by 12 four-bed room. Enzo, Er, another linguistic disconnect. That's Roger Miller Three hours of pushin' broom Gets an 8 by 12 four-bit room Ergo, the gentlemen earned 50 cents for a flophouse in that three hours. Cheap labor! Cookie Sewell > > Yup. Use it for three hours and you get a 8 by 12 four-bed room. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Three hours of pushin' broom > Gets an 8 by 12 four-bit room Heyyyyy!! At last I understand those lines, after all these years! Thanks Cookie! (And I also now understand Enzo's reference) Sorry about the way this thread of yours has gone so far off track Enzo. Still, it was about Recon planes, to start with... John > > > Yup. Use it for three hours and you get a 8 by 12 four-bed room. > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Sorry about the way this thread of yours has gone so far off track Enzo. > Still, it was about Recon planes, to start with... It was as much about defence cutbacks, a subject which is totally misunderstood by taxpayers and deliberately misrepresented by politicians. (kim) kim smirked: >>>> Yup. Use it for three hours and you get a 8 by 12 four-bed room. >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > misunderstood by taxpayers and deliberately misrepresented by > politicians. And I hadn't had a good rant in nearly 48 hours! ;-) SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. John smirked: >>> Yup. Use it for three hours and you get a 8 by 12 four-bed room. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Sorry about the way this thread of yours has gone so far off track > Enzo. LOL Don't apologise. In the other groups in which I post, almost *every* thread runs off track very quickly indeed. And it's usually me who sends them off-track! SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. AMPSOne@aol.com smirked: >> Yup. Use it for three hours and you get a 8 by 12 four-bed room. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Ergo, the gentlemen earned 50 cents for a flophouse in that three > hours. Cheap labor! Four bits!?!? Well, yassee, you learn summat new every day. I was always convinced that the kings of the road had to share their sleeping accommodation! :-D SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > >> John > > > > Ah, a pushbroom! > > Yup. Use it for three hours and you get a 8 by 12 four-bed room. No pool, no pets. SignatureNJE >No pool, no pets. "Trailer for sale or rent Rooms to let...fifty cents. No phone, no pool, no pets I ain't got no cigarettes Ah, but..two hours of pushin' broom Buys an eight by twelve four-bit room I'm a man of means by no means King of the road. Third boxcar, midnight train Destination...Bangor, Maine. Old worn out clothes and shoes, I don't pay no union dues, I smoke old stogies I have found Short, but not too big around I'm a man of means by no means King of the road. I know every engineer on every train All of their children, and all of their names And every handout in every town And every lock that ain't locked When no one's around. I sing, Trailers for sale or rent Rooms to let, fifty cents No phone, no pool, no pets I ain't got no cigarettes Ah, but, two hours of pushin' broom Buys an eight by twelve four-bit room I'm a man of means by no means King of the road." -Roger Miller SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - use 'modeleral (at) swbell (dot) net' to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://home.swbell.net/arfunguy/index.html "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." >> No pool, no pets. > > "Trailer for sale or rent > Rooms to let...fifty cents. > > -Roger Miller "You cain't roller skate in a buffalo herd...." - Roger Miller He's right, yannow. The buffalo poo will make the bearings seize up! SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. I sure wish Aero-Club had continued with it's proposed Canberra PR.9 kit. Sounds like they dropped the project when Airfix/Classic Airframes got into the act but I haven't seem a PR.9 yet. Aside from the Mk.2, there is only the target tug and the trainer/elint bird. Both colorful but of little historical interest to me. Bill Shuey > I have just seen three Canberra PR9s flying in formation over my house. > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. |
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