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Very OT: Difference btwn a motor and an engine?

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crw59@earthlink.net - 31 Jul 2006 17:59 GMT
dang kids are asking the hard questions again.....

thought they had outgrown the "Why"  "Why" "Why" phase.... :-)

Craig
Hawkeye - 31 Jul 2006 18:23 GMT
Motor:  a rotating machine that transforms electrical energy into
mechanical energy.
Engine:  a machine for converting any of various forms of energy into
mechanical force and motion.
So says webster.

> dang kids are asking the hard questions again.....
>
> thought they had outgrown the "Why"  "Why" "Why" phase.... :-)
>
> Craig
Enzo Matrix - 31 Jul 2006 18:27 GMT
> dang kids are asking the hard questions again.....
>
> thought they had outgrown the "Why"  "Why" "Why" phase.... :-)

LOL

An "engine" is anything that produces an output which is dependant on the
input. An engine does not have to produce any mechanical effect. Therefore,
Google is a search "engine" because the output (a list of weblinks) is
dependant on the input (the search criteria). A medieval siege tower was
also known as a siege "engine".

A "motor" is a machine that converts an energy input into kinetic energy. An
electrical motor converts electrical energy into rotational kinetic energy.
A pneumatic motor converts pressure energy into either rotational or
translational kinetic energy.

All motors are engines, but not all engines are motors.

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The Collector - 31 Jul 2006 21:54 GMT
> A "motor" is a machine that converts an energy input into kinetic energy. An
> electrical motor converts electrical energy into rotational kinetic energy.
> A pneumatic motor converts pressure energy into either rotational or
> translational kinetic energy.
>
> All motors are engines, but not all engines are motors.

To make things even more interesting, consider Rocket Motors vs. Rocket
Engines.

Rocket "Motors" are usually simple solid fuel rockets where Rocket
"Engines" are usually liquid oxidizer and liquid propellant devices
utilizing a complex collection of mechanisms but there are some
exceptions to the Rocket Motor vs. Rocket Engine definition.  The Space
Shuttle program avoids the Motor vs. Engine question altogether by
calling the Shuttle's solid strap-on propulsion units "Solid Rocket
Boosters" or SRBs for short.

There is still a "gray area" where engineers disagree over the general
defnition of what precisely is a Motor and what is an Engine.

Martin
William H. Shuey - 01 Aug 2006 04:59 GMT
> There is still a "gray area" where engineers disagree over the general
> defnition of what precisely is a Motor and what is an Engine.

If you get a bunch of engineers together they can be counted on to
disagree on just about anything.     :-)

                    Bill Shuey
                  retired engineer!
Enzo Matrix - 01 Aug 2006 08:08 GMT
>> There is still a "gray area" where engineers disagree over the
>> general defnition of what precisely is a Motor and what is an Engine.
>
> If you get a bunch of engineers together they can be counted on to
> disagree on just about anything.     :-)

LOL  That's one of the things that makes engineering such fun!

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Stephen Tontoni - 01 Aug 2006 09:59 GMT
Dunno about enjiniers, but I had always thought that the difference
between a motor and an engine was that motors are only electric whereas
engines use a fuel (name your poison).

Then also, doesn't it also matter what english is being used, eg British
vs American english? We use enough words in common that have totally
different meanings.

---- Stephen
Richard Brooks - 01 Aug 2006 10:19 GMT
> Dunno about enjiniers, but I had always thought that the difference
> between a motor and an engine was that motors are only electric whereas
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> vs American english? We use enough words in common that have totally
> different meanings.

Then there's how the same word is pronounced which means something
totally different.

Take route;
<http://www.thefreedictionary.com/route>

Which, for some reason in the US is pronounced (read meaning);
<http://www.thefreedictionary.com/rout>

Those must be some tough roads and strangely enough not a sketch
undertaken by Bob Newhart about Custer's Last Stand and how to get
there.  :-)

Richard.

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 Cust. - "Fine salmon in the rivers."
   Will Hay  -  "Grouse on the moors."
 Cust. - "Deer in the hills."
   Will Hay - "Ah! but cheaper in the towns!"

Richard Brooks - 31 Jul 2006 18:34 GMT
> dang kids are asking the hard questions again.....
>
> thought they had outgrown the "Why"  "Why" "Why" phase.... :-)

Careful or you'll get to the Family Guy, museum attendant stage with time!

FG (as boy) "Why did the dinosaurs die out ?"

MA "Because you touch yourself at night!"

Richard.

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 Cust. - "Fine salmon in the rivers."
   Will Hay  -  "Grouse on the moors."
 Cust. - "Deer in the hills."
   Will Hay - "Ah! but cheaper in the towns!"

NiceToScaleModellers - 01 Aug 2006 01:11 GMT
> dang kids are asking the hard questions again.....
>
> thought they had outgrown the "Why"  "Why" "Why" phase.... :-)

See if this keeps 'em busy for awhile:

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>From Wikipedia
"Although the terms sometimes cause confusion, there is no real
difference between an 'engine' and a 'motor.' At one time, the word
'engine' (from Latin, via Old French, ingenium, 'ability') meant any
piece of machinery. A 'motor' (from Latin motor, 'mover') is any
machine that produces mechanical power. Traditionally, electric motors
are not referred to as 'engines,' but combustion engines are often
referred to as 'motors.'"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_combustion_engine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_motor_and_engine_technology

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>From the Online Etymology Disctionary
motor
   1447, from L. motor, lit. "mover," from movere "to move" (see
move). From 15c. as "controller, prime mover" (in reference to God);
sense of "agent or force that produces mechanical motion" is first
recorded 1664; that of "machine that supplies motive power" is from
1856. With explosive use 20c. as a comb. form of motor-car. First
record of motor-cycle attested 1896; motor-boat is from 1902. Motor-car
is from 1895; motorist is from 1896. For motorcade (1913) see
cavalcade. First record of slang motor-mouth "fast-talking person" is
from 1971.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=motor&searchmode=none

engine
   c.1300, from O.Fr. engin "skill, cleverness," also "war machine,"
from L. ingenium "inborn qualities, talent," from in- "in" + gen-, root
of gignere "to beget, produce." At first meaning a trick or device, or
any machine (especially military); sense of one that converts energy to
mechanical power is 18c., especially of steam engines. Engineer
"locomotive driver" is first attested 1839, Amer.Eng.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=engine

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Mad-Modeller - 01 Aug 2006 03:15 GMT
> dang kids are asking the hard questions again.....
>
> thought they had outgrown the "Why"  "Why" "Why" phase.... :-)
>
> Craig

They must have read the editorial in Hemmings Classic Car for July 2006.
The editor was busy clearing up termms used in car restorations.  The
upshot is don't use 'motor' for the gasoline engine in any articles for
his mag.  Oh, and dump 'frame-off restoration'.  One usually has to take
the body off the frame, not the other way 'round.

My favourite is from my friend near LA who was quite the Mopar restorer.
Most Mopars built since 1960 can't have a '-off' restoration whether
body or frame. :)

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Bruce Burden - 01 Aug 2006 04:48 GMT
: My favourite is from my friend near LA who was quite the Mopar restorer.
: Most Mopars built since 1960 can't have a '-off' restoration whether
: body or frame. :)

    Unless it is a truck. :-)

                            Bruce
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Mad-Modeller - 01 Aug 2006 05:15 GMT
> : My favourite is from my friend near LA who was quite the Mopar restorer.
> : Most Mopars built since 1960 can't have a '-off' restoration whether
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>                                                         Bruce
> --

I don't think he did trucks leaving neither of us to consider them. :)

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
dragdriver2@hotmail.com - 02 Aug 2006 07:08 GMT
Simple (although car racers - especially drag racers - get the two
mixed up all the time).

A MOTOR needs an outside source of power to run: i.e. an electric
MOTOR.

An ENGINE runs on it's own, without outside power, once it's started:
i.e. an automobile engine.

Hal Sanguinetti
Glendale AZ
crw59@earthlink.net - 03 Aug 2006 17:54 GMT
> A MOTOR needs an outside source of power to run: i.e. an electric
> MOTOR.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Hal Sanguinetti
> Glendale AZ

Then shouldn't the Indianapolis Motor Speedway be the Engine Speedway?

Craig
Stephen Tontoni - 07 Aug 2006 08:52 GMT
> > A MOTOR needs an outside source of power to run: i.e. an electric
> > MOTOR.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Then shouldn't the Indianapolis Motor Speedway be the Engine Speedway?

I think it's a hold-over from the Brit-speak term "motorsports" and
"motorcars". It's a title, not a technical term.

I agree that a motor, in the US currently, is electric while an engine
uses a fuel. Where it gets murky is *when* the term was used, and
*where* the term was used. In the US, Britishisms used to be more common
than today.

--- Stephen
Don Stauffer in Minnesota - 02 Aug 2006 14:04 GMT
> dang kids are asking the hard questions again.....
>
> thought they had outgrown the "Why"  "Why" "Why" phase.... :-)
>
> Craig

Unlike some other languages, English has no national "academies" to
regulate lanquage.  Definitions differ from one dictionary to another,
and country by country. So words vary in useage by region, profession,
etc.

Engine is a much more generic term, meaning basically a mechanism or
machine.

In US the term is usually preferred to "motor" when used to describe an
internal combustion engine, but in Britain, for example, motor is the
more common term.

Basically in English the terms can legitimately be used interchangably
when speaking of a car engine, but of course, one does not speak of a
fire motor, a train motor or such.  Thus engine is a more broad term.

In common US use, the use with steam is ambiguous. A steam engine can
refer to only the "expander", the cylinder(s) or turbine, while it can
also refer to the whole powerplant, motor plus boiler.

In nautical terminology they avoid this by talking about the
"machinery" which includes boiler, condensor, expander and associated
hardware.

"prime mover" is another term for what we in US often call an engine.
Ron Smith - 02 Aug 2006 18:19 GMT
> In nautical terminology they avoid this by talking about the
> "machinery" which includes boiler, condensor, expander and associated
> hardware.

Actually there is a dirrecence in US ships, engines were internal
combustion types and part of the drive train. Motors were electric
(Lexington class carriers, Tennessee and Colorado class battelships two
name two that used them) run off the generators. Then there are the
turbine drives, whether they be steam or gas turbines. In ships where
they either used motors or turbines the entire collection of machinery
from boilers to prop shafts was called the powerplant.
Don Stauffer in Minnesota - 02 Aug 2006 14:04 GMT
> dang kids are asking the hard questions again.....
>
> thought they had outgrown the "Why"  "Why" "Why" phase.... :-)
>
> Craig

Unlike some other languages, English has no national "academies" to
regulate lanquage.  Definitions differ from one dictionary to another,
and country by country. So words vary in useage by region, profession,
etc.

Engine is a much more generic term, meaning basically a mechanism or
machine.

In US the term is usually preferred to "motor" when used to describe an
internal combustion engine, but in Britain, for example, motor is the
more common term.

Basically in English the terms can legitimately be used interchangably
when speaking of a car engine, but of course, one does not speak of a
fire motor, a train motor or such.  Thus engine is a more broad term.

In common US use, the use with steam is ambiguous. A steam engine can
refer to only the "expander", the cylinder(s) or turbine, while it can
also refer to the whole powerplant, motor plus boiler.

In nautical terminology they avoid this by talking about the
"machinery" which includes boiler, condensor, expander and associated
hardware.

"prime mover" is another term for what we in US often call an engine.
Count DeMoney - 02 Aug 2006 19:01 GMT
When I was growing up I thought an engine was someone who fought with
cowboys and motor was something you did.  For instance:  I think I'm
gonna motor over the McDonalds and get a burger and some fries. (:>
Mechanical Menace - 03 Aug 2006 11:32 GMT
> When I was growing up I thought an engine was someone who fought with
> cowboys and motor was something you did.  For instance:  I think I'm
> gonna motor over the McDonalds and get a burger and some fries. (:>

LOL,

That gives a whole new meaning of "lets go play cowboys and engines"
z - 03 Aug 2006 19:42 GMT
> When I was growing up I thought an engine was someone who fought with
> cowboys and motor was something you did.  For instance:  I think I'm
> gonna motor over the McDonalds and get a burger and some fries. (:>

In German they call it an engine, specifically because nobody wants to
say "Fokker Motor". (it's a joke, for the slower)
 
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