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Hi Troops: For those of us in the USA, a question. Do you think gasoline will get down below $2 a gallon before the election, and what do you think the odds are of it getting back up to $3 a gallon by Christmas??? I know, I know, I'm an awful cynic! :-) Bill Shuey >Do you think gasoline will get >down below $2 a gallon before the election... It already is in some places. >...and what do you think the >odds are of it getting back up to $3 a gallon by Christmas??? Or falling even lower? > I know, I know, I'm an awful cynic! Were you one of those who were predicting $4 a gallon by Labor Day?  SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - use 'modeleral (at) swbell (dot) net' to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://home.swbell.net/arfunguy/index.html "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." > Were you one of those who were predicting $4 a gallon by Labor > Day? > -- No, I was predicting $3 to $3.25 for 87 octane and that was pretty close. $3.10 at the BP station down on the road on July 28. After that it began to drop. Bill Shuey > Hi Troops: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bill Shuey Where?...Apollo predicts: No - in CA it will not get below $2/gal by Christmas. And I doubt it will get back up to $3/gal before next spring/summer. Signature- Rufus > Hi Troops: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bill Shuey I expect it to go back up after the elections just because I do not trust our government. I rank the current group way less trustworthy than Joe Isuzu. Bill Banaszak >I expect it to go back up after the elections just because I do not >trust our government. Exactly how does the US government control the world oil market? SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - use 'modeleral (at) swbell (dot) net' to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://home.swbell.net/arfunguy/index.html "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." > >I expect it to go back up after the elections just because I do not > >trust our government. > > Exactly how does the US government control the world oil market? > -- > Al Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 I just said I expect it. I didn't say I knew how. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> >I expect it to go back up after the elections just because I do not >> >trust our government. >> >> Exactly how does the US government control the world oil market? >I just said I expect it. I didn't say I knew how. Indeed... SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - use 'modeleral (at) swbell (dot) net' to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://home.swbell.net/arfunguy/index.html "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." > >I expect it to go back up after the elections just because I do not > >trust our government. > > Exactly how does the US government control the world oil market? > -- Perhaps like this? http://www.ft.com/cms/s/b41ed95e-5009-11db-9d85-0000779e2340.html "In a claim that could fuel conspiracy theories about the recent oil price decline - in an interview to be broadcast on CBS on Sunday - Mr Woodward described a conversation between Prince Bandar bin Sultan and Mr Bush in which the former Saudi ambassador said he could ease oil prices ahead of the elections. "They could go down very quickly. That's the Saudi pledge. Certainly over the summer, or as we get closer to the election, they could increase production several million barrels a day," Mr Woodward said." Martin >> Exactly how does the US government control the world oil market? >> -- > >Perhaps like this? >http://www.ft.com/cms/s/b41ed95e-5009-11db-9d85-0000779e2340.html Um, that would be the _Saudis_ manipulating the price of oil, wouldn't it? SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - use 'modeleral (at) swbell (dot) net' to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://home.swbell.net/arfunguy/index.html "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." Um, and they would apparently be doing it _on_behalf_of_the_US_Government, wouldn't they? Martin > >> Exactly how does the US government control the world oil market? > >> -- [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Um, that would be the _Saudis_ manipulating the price of oil, > wouldn't it? >...they would apparently be doing it >_on_behalf_of_the_US_Government, wouldn't they? The Saudi government, like any other, acts in its own self-interest. International relationships are rarely based on altruism. SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - use 'modeleral (at) swbell (dot) net' to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://home.swbell.net/arfunguy/index.html "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." > >...they would apparently be doing it > >_on_behalf_of_the_US_Government, wouldn't they? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > Al Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 Going back to the original argument and avoiding slipping on any littered red herrings, your philosophical consideration doesn't change the fact that at least according to the quoted account the Saudis would do the US government's bidding with respect to the price of oil, which effectively would mean said US government has a hand in influencing said price. How and why that is so is largely irrelevant in this context. Martin >...your philosophical consideration doesn't change >the fact that at least according to the quoted account the Saudis would >do the US government's bidding with respect to the price of oil, which >effectively would mean said US government has a hand in influencing >said price. Influence is not the same thing as control. Look it up. SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - use 'modeleral (at) swbell (dot) net' to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://home.swbell.net/arfunguy/index.html "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." The difference between the two is merely a matter of degree, but not of principle. > >...your philosophical consideration doesn't change > >the fact that at least according to the quoted account the Saudis would [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Influence is not the same thing as control. Look it up. > -- >> >...your philosophical consideration doesn't change >> >the fact that at least according to the quoted account the Saudis would [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> Influence is not the same thing as control. Look it up. >The difference between the two is merely a matter of degree, but not of >principle. Again, look it up... SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - use 'modeleral (at) swbell (dot) net' to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://home.swbell.net/arfunguy/index.html "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." Don't have to - using logic is more than enough in this case :-). But to humor you: Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, Merriam-Webster Inc., Springfield, Massachusetts, 1987: "Control: 2 a: to exercise restraining or directing influence over" Hmmmm, now where did I see that word 'influence' before... By the way, have you ever looked it up yourself, or are you just another one of those people who never follow their own advice :-)? Martin > >> >...your philosophical consideration doesn't change > >> >the fact that at least according to the quoted account the Saudis would [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Again, look it up... >...using logic is more than enough in this case... You really ought to give it a try some time, then... SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - use 'modeleral (at) swbell (dot) net' to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://home.swbell.net/arfunguy/index.html "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." I actually did, and the result was in full accordance with the dictionary :-). > >...using logic is more than enough in this case... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, > and the critics will flame you every time." Who is this guy arguing with you about what the definition of "is" is, Al? SignatureCheers: Bill Woodier In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility -- I welcome it. My Home Page: http://www.bill-woodier.com/home.htm -- >I actually did, and the result was in full accordance with the > dictionary :-). [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, >> and the critics will flame you every time." > Who is this guy arguing with you about what the definition of "is" is, Al? Bill they're just feeding off each others' animosity. It ceased to be an argument some time ago. --- Stephen >...they're just feeding off each others' animosity. I don't feel any animosity towards him/her. I just think s/he's wrong, that's all. SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - use 'modeleral (at) swbell (dot) net' to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://home.swbell.net/arfunguy/index.html "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." Paid $2.35.9 per gallon yesterday in Marin County. It's down another two cents today. Tom > >...they're just feeding off each others' animosity. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, > and the critics will flame you every time." > Paid $2.35.9 per gallon yesterday in Marin County. It's down another > two cents today. Damn you. $2.599/gal here. But down from $3.199 a month ago. And of course, I filled up two cars just before the price went down. D'OH! I'll have to sell my Badger 250 to pay for one of those tanks. Anyone? It's got a wood case and everything - three needle sizes.... E.P. "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in news:1160865245.887334.153520 @f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: >> Paid $2.35.9 per gallon yesterday in Marin County. It's down another >> two cents today. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > D'OH! In the past month or two it's gone from (on average, at the station down at the corner) $3.37.9 to $2.52.9 a gallon. And I've seen it as high as $2.68.9 and as low as $2.32.9. Guess which station I visit? cd SignatureThe difference between immorality and immortality is "T". I like Earl Grey. >>Paid $2.35.9 per gallon yesterday in Marin County. It's down another >>two cents today. Well it's right around $2.05 @ gallon here now :) SignatureAM http://sctuser.home.comcast.net CentOS 4.3 KDE 3.3 $1.98 here in Bristow VA but I save another $0.06 per gallon with a Safeway card. SignatureCheers: Bill Woodier In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility -- I welcome it. My Home Page: http://www.bill-woodier.com/home.htm -- >> Paid $2.35.9 per gallon yesterday in Marin County. It's down another >> two cents today. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > E.P. Since we're bragging about prices, I filled the Mustang the other day with $2.10/gal. gas. I was shocked to get change back from my $10 bill. I can't recall the last time I got change. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > Since we're bragging about prices, I filled the Mustang the other day > with $2.10/gal. gas. I was shocked to get change back from my $10 bill. > I can't recall the last time I got change. > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. Your Mustang has less than a 4 3/4 gallon tank? WmB > > Since we're bragging about prices, I filled the Mustang the other day > > with $2.10/gal. gas. I was shocked to get change back from my $10 bill. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > WmB Geez, I hope not. No, I've been topping it off each week, or as close as $10 will get me to the top. Yes, that's what my budget allows for gas each week. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> > Since we're bragging about prices, I filled the Mustang the other day >> > with $2.10/gal. gas. I was shocked to get change back from my $10 bill. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. rich kid! >Since we're bragging about prices, I filled the Mustang the other day >with $2.10/gal. gas. I was shocked to get change back from my $10 bill. >I can't recall the last time I got change. > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. here in the people's republic, i got 3/4 of a tank in the supra. i almost sh.t. i could fill the van with diesel for $50! >Since we're bragging about prices... With my Kroger Plus card discount I can get gas for less than $2 a gallon now. :) SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - use 'modeleral (at) swbell (dot) net' to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://home.swbell.net/arfunguy/index.html "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." >Who is this guy arguing with you about what the definition of "is" is, Al? I dunno but I don't feel like arguing semantics with him/her any more. SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - use 'modeleral (at) swbell (dot) net' to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://home.swbell.net/arfunguy/index.html "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." > Um, that would be the _Saudis_ manipulating the price of oil, > wouldn't it? Exactly, OPEC has been price gouging since 1970. When thier oil runs out, they can start exporting kitty-litter and settle into a life like their so-called prophet would like. Back to the AD 700s. >When thier oil runs out, they can start exporting kitty-litter... My cats insist on high-quality litter... SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - use 'modeleral (at) swbell (dot) net' to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://home.swbell.net/arfunguy/index.html "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." > Exactly how does the US government control the world oil market? > -- I don't think it is as much the world oil market as the oil companies simply charging what they think the market will bear. I travel consistently between Baltimore and Winchester, VA, and the price of a gallon of regular is consistently $.30 to $.35 a gallon cheaper down in Winchester. It can't be cheaper to ship gasoline down into the hills of Western Virginia than right to a seaport like Baltimore. Second thing, The consistently obscene quarterly record profits being posted by the oil companies. It ain't all the arabs doing by any means. Bill Shuey >> Exactly how does the US government control the world oil market? >> -- [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Bill Shuey Bear in mind you've got WV, VA, and MD state taxes to acct for in the aforementioned scenario. In NC, state law (possibly a Fed law) mandates that the Fed and state fuel surcharges be printed on the pump. To the original point - no, I will not be at all shocked to see gas prices climb after the election. Do I read anything into it? I sure do - autumn is here and winter is just around the corner and fuel supplies will dip. ;-) WmB >> Exactly how does the US government control the world oil market? >> -- [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Bill Shuey I'll bet that it's a lot cheaper to own and operate a gas station in Winchester, VA than Baltimore, MD. Of course it's a lot more expensive in the rest of the world. Is that a GW Bush conspiracy, too? Obscene profits? Exactly how many gallons of gas do you think they sell? If they have a fixed margin of 5%. Someone actually know the real numbers so as to make the accusation seem plausible? As to why the price went up, did anyone notice a little war in the Mideast, that one of the chief exporters is trying to make nuclear weapons, that the Islamofacists keep blowing up Iraq's facilities to keep the flow of oil from that country at nil and that one of the major pipelines in Alaska was closed for major repair. Oil prices are set by the brokers. Thet are notoriously squirrelly and tend to react to world events. Conspiracy? Yeah right along with the black UN helicopters and the Soviet tanks being secretly brought in to the US for nefarious purposes. Frank Oddly enough, prices at the pump went into freefall withn days of the BP pipeline closure in Alaska. That's a tough one to figure out. Tom > >> Exactly how does the US government control the world oil market? > >> -- [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Frank >> Exactly how does the US government control the world oil market? >> -- > > I don't think it is as much the world oil market as the oil companies >simply charging what they think the market will bear. How is that different from how any other business sets its prices? > Second thing, The consistently obscene quarterly record profits being >posted by the oil companies. What's obscene about them? Please be specific. SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - use 'modeleral (at) swbell (dot) net' to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://home.swbell.net/arfunguy/index.html "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." > Hi Troops: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bill Shuey I don't know if you're a cynic, Bill. If it walks like a duck.................... It won't make a difference on what the cattle do. They'll just keep chewing the same cud. -- Chuck Ryan Springfield OH > Hi Troops: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Bill Shuey Hi Bill, Just come and visit us in the Netherlands, A Liter of Super Unleaded just went to 1.48 Euro's. That's 1.88 USD per liter If I got it right there is 3.79 liters to the gallon. That will bring us to USD 7.13 per Gallon. Now that makes drivin' fun!!!!!! Dennis (who really, REALLY loves to drive around in his 4.0 litre Jeep) > Hi Bill, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Dennis > (who really, REALLY loves to drive around in his 4.0 litre Jeep) Dennis, if you asked most Americans, they would tell you that they don't give a rat's a.s how much the pertol costs in Europe. They want theirs CHEAP! Like it always was. When it was under $2.00 in US, it was still way more expensive in Europe. Besides, taxes account for a big chunk of the price in Europe. The tax structure is different. So comparing petrol prices in EU and US is not very productive. And it doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to figure out that somebody is getting rich (not the end user). If you figure out the percentage of price increase of a barrel of oil vs. a gallon of gasoline, price of gasoline/gal. has increased more than the privce of a barrel of oil. It is not the service station owners who are getting rich. It is the distributors and the petroleum companies who are making a killin'. Peteski Bill, Here in Wisconsin I don't think gasoline will venture below $2/gal because our gas tax is probably too high to allow that. I think gas will steady at and average of about $2.59 a gallon for the rest of the winter. If the auto industry continues to decline, gasoline price will be partially blamed, but the auto giants will wake up and realize that they need to expedite the introduction of more efficient engines and small diesel motors sooner. Will Ford marry GM? Ford to manage the light & medium duty truck lines, GM to do only cars...and fewer models of them...think about that rumor for moment. Hawkeye > Bill, Here in Wisconsin I don't think gasoline will venture below > $2/gal because our gas tax is probably too high to allow that. I think [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that they need to expedite the introduction of more efficient engines > and small diesel motors sooner. When all their profit eggs are in the SUV basket, that's a choice MANAGEMENT made. Now folks aren't so hip to keeping up with the Jones' at $120/fill-up. Turbodiesel motors work very well in passenger autos, if the current technology is used. > Will Ford marry GM? Ford to manage the light & medium duty truck > lines, GM to do only cars...and fewer models of them...think about that > rumor for moment. Oh, great - two bloated, quality-challenged behemoths marry to produce cars nobody wants. America needs an automaker start-up. LOL - anyone got $5billion as venture capital? As to the original question, I don't see much change - maybe a little lower than now, but not back up until spring. Doesn't matter to me - my cars get decent fuel economy. E.P. > Will Ford marry GM? Ford to manage the light & medium duty truck > lines, GM to do only cars...and fewer models of them... Nah! That would make too much sense! Bill Shuey >> Will Ford marry GM? Ford to manage the light & medium duty truck >> lines, GM to do only cars...and fewer models of them... > > Nah! That would make too much sense! > > Bill Shuey I think you'll see more cooperation between the two but the brand market is probably going to be problematic in some respects of an all out consolidation. For instance, the new style Ford Mustang is a good seller for Ford from what I understand. Hard to imagine that one with a bowtie on the hood. If that day ever does comes to pass, I guarantee you I'll buy a Toyota! WmB > > Will Ford marry GM? Ford to manage the light & medium duty truck > lines, GM to do only cars...and fewer models of them...think about that > rumor for moment. As a Ford owner I find that idea repugnant. After that !@#$%^&*+~! Sunbird and my few acquaintances since with GM vehicles I might have to go VW or something. Not that I care all that much for anything new on the road except for the Mustang. Notice how we don't see much of Col. Klink pushing DC on TV anymore? Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > Notice how we don't see much of Col. Klink pushing DC on TV anymore? Huh? > > Notice how we don't see much of Col. Klink pushing DC on TV anymore? > > Huh? DC=Daimler Chrysler; Col. Klink=Dr.Z OK, so he doesn't wear a monocle. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. Actually he's still going like the Energizer Bunny down here for football and primetime shows. >>>Notice how we don't see much of Col. Klink pushing DC on TV anymore? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > Actually he's still going like the Energizer Bunny down here for > football and primetime shows. Hmm, I haven't seen him for at least a month. Of course, I don't watch football and primetime, especially this year, isn't worth wasting much time on. Friday night is an especial trash heap. I used to watch the comedies on the WB but this CW thing has two hours of (expletives deleted)! Bil Banaszak, MFE Sr. > Hmm, I haven't seen him for at least a month. Of course, I don't watch > football and primetime, especially this year, isn't worth wasting much > time on. > Friday night is an especial trash heap. I used to watch the comedies on > the WB but this CW thing has two hours of (expletives deleted)! Well I watch the Redskins but that's it for sports unless Olympic hockey is on. For the sake of peace I watch a couple primetime shows with the wife......House, CSI, Scrubs, Law & Order. Other than that snippets of news and Leno. Do you know why there are no bookmarks in Congress? They like their pages bent over! >> Actually he's still going like the Energizer Bunny down here for >> football and primetime shows. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Bil Banaszak, MFE Sr. Let me go on record to add my name to the list of anyone that thinks those Dr Z ads are the lamest crap to come out of car country this side of Bill Ford's safety concerns ads. WmB >Hi Troops: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bill Shuey saw $1.99 in il. not in ca! Locust Grove, VA has regular for 1.74. >>Hi Troops: >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > saw $1.99 in il. not in ca! > Locust Grove, VA has regular for 1.74. As I noted in another post, I travel consistently between Baltimore and Winchester, VA. A gallon of regular is consistently $.30 to $.35 a gallon cheaper in Winchester than in Baltimore. A friend says it is the lower Virginia taxes. Are your gasoline taxes really that much lower?? I'll be down in Winchester this weekend for the North-South Skirmish Association Nationals and I bet gas will be about $1.89 to $1.99 a gallon for regular. Bill Shuey > > Locust Grove, VA has regular for 1.74. > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Bill Shuey Fill'er up whilst you're there! Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > I'll be down in Winchester this weekend for the North-South Skirmish > Association Nationals and I bet gas will be about $1.89 to $1.99 a > gallon for regular. > > Bill Shuey Are they having the live cannon shoot ?? If so...... I might just have to make it then :) SignatureAM http://sctuser.home.comcast.net CentOS 4.3 KDE 3.3 Cannon is Saturday afternoon. That said, the weather man is not promising good weather. Bill Shuey 1st Maine Heavy Artillery, N-SSA > > I'll be down in Winchester this weekend for the North-South Skirmish > > Association Nationals and I bet gas will be about $1.89 to $1.99 a [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > CentOS 4.3 KDE 3.3 > Cannon is Saturday afternoon. That said, the weather man is not > promising good weather. > > Bill Shuey > 1st Maine Heavy Artillery, N-SSA Ok. It's killing my chances of taking a telescope out as well....... I can still use my EOTech tho :) SignatureAM http://sctuser.home.comcast.net CentOS 4.3 KDE 3.3 If I may make a comment from Europe, you shouldn't worry about the price, you should worry about what to do when it runs out; AND IT WILL. Our grandchildren will be asking why we were so profligate, when we knew it was a finite and irreplaceable resource. Eh bien, as we say in England... N > If I may make a comment from Europe, you shouldn't worry about the > price, you should worry about what to do when it runs out; AND IT WILL. > Our grandchildren will be asking why we were so profligate, when we knew > it was a finite and irreplaceable resource. > Eh bien, as we say in England... > N A most cogent statement. We 'should' be investing in developing a new source of power. I just don't know if we are or if we're serious enough. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> If I may make a comment from Europe, you shouldn't worry about the >> price, you should worry about what to do when it runs out; AND IT WILL. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. I'm sure there was a time a century in arears when the planet elders were concerned for the future generations' coal and iron supply - and before them the planet elders were concerned for future generations' supply of wood. Given what we know about the rate of techological advance (past and present), there's a damn good chance petroleum based products will take their place among other former primary natural resource. I'm betting on sand and seawater becoming precious commodities in the distant future - I of course wont be around to be proven either right or wrong. ;-) WmB > > If I may make a comment from Europe, you shouldn't worry about the > > price, you should worry about what to do when it runs out; AND IT WILL. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. As a follow up to this point, it was announced last week that the largest coal mine in Maryland is about to shut down, the vein has run out! Portent of things to come?? Bill Shuey > >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Bill Shuey > I keep seeing a TV commercial with a little girl that states there is enough coal in the US ground to last hundreds of years. SignatureBill in Hamptonburgh, NY To email, delete the double zeroes after @ > I keep seeing a TV commercial with a little girl that states there is > enough coal in the US ground to last hundreds of years. TV Commercial? Ah, an unimpeachably independent source of information! :) Actually, there is a vast amount of coal underground here in UK, but since Thatcher took her personal beef with the miners to the lengths of closing the mines, it is now no longer economically viable to reopen them. Result: lots of inaccessible coal. Great. N >...it was announced last week that the >largest coal mine in Maryland is about to shut down, the vein has run >out! Portent of things to come? "Experts estimate that the United States has about 265 billion tons of coal reserves. If we continue to use coal at the same rate as we do today, we will have enough coal to last 285 years. This vast amount of coal makes the United States the world leader in known coal reserves." <http://lsa.colorado.edu/summarystreet/texts/coal.htm> SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - use 'modeleral (at) swbell (dot) net' to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://home.swbell.net/arfunguy/index.html "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." >...you shouldn't worry about the >price [of oil], you should worry about what to do when it runs out... Let the Arabs worry about that. Other oil-producing countries and the rest of the world will have moved on to something else by then, and all they'll have left is lots of worthless sand. With nothing to show for the oil wealth they once had... SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - use 'modeleral (at) swbell (dot) net' to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://home.swbell.net/arfunguy/index.html "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." >>...you shouldn't worry about the >>price [of oil], you should worry about what to do when it runs out... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >then, and all they'll have left is lots of worthless sand. With >nothing to show for the oil wealth they once had... depends on the country looks like dubai has some enlightened rulers. the world's playground is a good sustained economic goal. > >...you shouldn't worry about the > >price [of oil], you should worry about what to do when it runs out... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, > and the critics will flame you every time." You know, that's a big part of the problem. Aside from the oil they have nothing. I heard the other week that there's a bigger economy in Finland than in all the Middle Eastern countries combined. Maybe if these people had something worth living for they wouldn't be so attracted to death. Once again, I have no problem with their own deathwishes, I object tremendously to their trying to spread it around to people who don't give a rat's a.s for their mentally-constipated religion. Bill Banaszak >Maybe if these people had something worth living for they wouldn't be so >attracted to death. Indeed. Well said. SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - use 'modeleral (at) swbell (dot) net' to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://home.swbell.net/arfunguy/index.html "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." > Hi Troops: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > odds are of it getting back up to $3 a gallon by Christmas??? > I know, I know, I'm an awful cynic! :-) 1) Maybe, depending on where you are. 2) Dead certain. On 8 November. cd SignatureThe difference between immorality and immortality is "T". I like Earl Grey. > The difference between immorality and immortality is "T". I like Earl > Grey. You and Captain Picard! :-) Bill Shuey |
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