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The Collector - 05 Oct 2006 14:56 GMT At last night's IPMS meeting, one of the more "connected" members announced that Revell-Germany was splitting off from Revell-Monogram and absorbing Airfix. I haven't found any confirmation and was wondering if anyone else out there knows anything about all this.
Martin
Nick - 05 Oct 2006 15:04 GMT Yes. He have might been well connected to Google News, where a search for Humbrol turns up various recent news items. This article mentions both of those points:
http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=56&ArticleID=1772958
German firm set to rescue Spitfire-maker Airfix models Revell MBO eyes Humbrol assets
Ian Briggs A GERMAN firm is set to fly in to save model-maker Airfix, famous for its plastic kit replicas of Spitfires, Hurricanes and Lancaster bombers.
Hobby firm Revell yesterday revealed its interest in making a move for Airfix, whose future was put into doubt last month after its Hull-based parent company Humbrol went into administration. Revell would also not rule out moves for other Humbrol assets. Accountancy firm Grant Thornton, in Leeds, which was appointed administrators, made 31 of Humbrol's 41 staff redundant.
The move was blamed on "severe cash flow pressures" and disruption to supplies due to the insolvency of Heller, its main manufacturing supplier in France, in spite of a new management team being brought in last December to restructure the business.
Administrators said they hoped to sell the company's 'iconic' brands and intellectual property rights.
The news that the future of Airfix was in doubt was greeted by an outpouring of nostalgia for the plastic kits of well-known aircraft which enjoyed their heyday in the 1960s and 1970s. Fans were concerned it could signal the end of the brand. Humbrol, which also owns Plasticine and Young Scientist, has suffered trading losses for several years.
German-firm Revell, which makes Kick-O-Mania footballers, yesterday announc-ed a restructuring. Its European businesses have been bought out by the management team and split from its north American businesses which it said puts it in a better position to make potential acquisitions, such as Humbrol assets.
Revell country manager, Tom Randrup said: "The announcement of our independence strengthens further Revell's position in the European market.
"As Europe-wide leader and number one supplier of plastic kits and accessories to the UK toy and hobby market, we can confirm we have registered an interest in certain assets of Humbrol."
Earlier this month train set giant Hornby said it was considering putting an offer in to rescue Airfix.
Airfix has its origins in a company founded in London in 1939 by Hungarian-born Nicholas Kove, which manufactured cheap rubber toys filled with air.
Its first model kit was the Ferguson Tractor in 1948. The Spitfire was introduced in 1953.
Due to its massive popularity, Airfix became one of the first toy companies to have its own magazine in 1960 and it gradually expanded through acquiring a number of other companies, including Meccano. Its range grew to include vintage and modern cars, motorcycles, trains, ocean liners and spaceships.
Children spent hours making the models which were famously difficult to assemble.
A dip in popularity saw Airfix go into receivership in 1981. It was bought by Palitoy, part of the American General Mills toy group, and production moved to France.
In 1986 it was taken over by Humbrol, but has suffered from falling sales as children became hooked on computer games and TV. A recent survey commissioned for First magazine found youngsters spend an average of 25 hours a week in front of either TV or games console screens rising to 42 hours a week during the school holidays.
>At last night's IPMS meeting, one of the more "connected" members >announced that Revell-Germany was splitting off from Revell-Monogram >and absorbing Airfix. I haven't found any confirmation and was >wondering if anyone else out there knows anything about all this. > >Martin Enzo Matrix - 05 Oct 2006 18:08 GMT > German firm set to rescue Spitfire-maker Airfix models "Spitfire-maker Airfix"?
And all this time I thought it was Vickers-Supermarine...
> Earlier this month train set giant Hornby said it was considering > putting an offer in to rescue Airfix. This is typical sloppy reportage. The media seem to think that Airfix only make Spitfire, Hurricanes and Lancasters. Likewise, they seem to think that Hornby make "train sets". Have you *seen* the stuff that Hornby is producing these days?
Why does the media always have to deal with stereotypes?
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kim - 06 Oct 2006 00:58 GMT > > German firm set to rescue Spitfire-maker Airfix models > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Why does the media always have to deal with stereotypes? I had to explain to an American friend recently exactly what a "Spitfire" was! In fairness, I doubt whether he would know what a Mustang or Thunderbolt were either.
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Mad-Modeller - 06 Oct 2006 02:53 GMT > > > German firm set to rescue Spitfire-maker Airfix models > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > (kim) I'd believe it. The widow next door wasn't sure when WWII was over. At least she heard of it. :(
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Bob - 06 Oct 2006 14:56 GMT >> > > German firm set to rescue Spitfire-maker Airfix models >> > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. Huh?? WWII is OVER?? Bugger, I'll have to get the kids out of the dugout on the Brisbane line.
Mad-Modeller - 06 Oct 2006 02:53 GMT So, what's Hornby up to mowadays? Somewhere I have a 1970s catalogue full of model trains.
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Mad-Modeller - 06 Oct 2006 05:56 GMT > So, what's Hornby up to mowadays? Somewhere I have a 1970s catalogue > full of model trains. > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. That was supposed to be 'nowadays'. Darn clumsy fingers.
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Peter W. - 06 Oct 2006 06:15 GMT > > So, what's Hornby up to mowadays? Somewhere I have a 1970s catalogue > > full of model trains. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. I think that they are now owned by Bachmann, so the quality of Chinese made models is not all that great. At least that is what I think happened.
But OTOH, their models were never as well made as TRIX or Fleischmann.
I do know that Graham Farish is now Bachmann. But this thread would do better in rec.models.railroad .
Peteski
kim - 06 Oct 2006 14:25 GMT > > > So, what's Hornby up to mowadays? Somewhere I have a 1970s catalogue > > > full of model trains. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > made models is not all that great. At least that is what I think > happened. Hornby is an independent company. It's current range is manufactured in China but not by Bachmann
> But OTOH, their models were never as well made as TRIX or Fleischmann. That used to be true but the latest Hornby models are on a par with anything made in europe. Hornby is also financially solvent which cannot be said for any of its european counterparts.
> I do know that Graham Farish is now Bachmann. But this thread would do > better in rec.models.railroad . Actually uk.rec.models.rail
Hornby and Bachmann (UK) models are made to a different scale than anything discussed in rec.models.railroad
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Martin - 09 Oct 2006 10:44 GMT >>But OTOH, their models were never as well made as TRIX or Fleischmann. But neither of them made that many models. Trix did a few but inder scale, Fleismann one loco in HO rather than OO
Enzo Matrix - 06 Oct 2006 09:09 GMT Mad-Modeller smirked:
> So, what's Hornby up to mowadays? Somewhere I have a 1970s catalogue > full of model trains. Hornby is producing some of the most wonderful British outline models that you would ever hope to see. Their new Gresley A3s, A4s and BR Standard Britannias are a joy to behold.
Bachmann is also producing wonderful stuff. They have recently released an Ivatt 4MT and a BR Standard 9F that are quite simply brilliant. It's really a good time to be a British railway modeller!
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Martin - 09 Oct 2006 11:14 GMT >>Hornby is producing some of the most wonderful British outline models that >>you would ever hope to see. Their new Gresley A3s, A4s and BR Standard >>Britannias are a joy to behold.
>>Bachmann is also producing wonderful stuff. They have recently released an >>Ivatt 4MT and a BR Standard 9F that are quite simply brilliant. It's really >>a good time to be a British railway modeller! Is it?
Work out the following.
I need a green 9F, a couple more 50s, another 37, another 20, a 4MT (BR version), a few Mark2s, also I need to hack the Parkside HTO into the rebodied HTV, my Triang 37 doesn't work at all well, so needs replacement (did you know that the Airfix 31 and the Triang 31 were both Bath Road machines, and I changed the number of the Triang one (as well as ride height, flush glazed, wire handrails) but it is still that same ID, oh and a Castle or 2 some more choc & cream mark 1s (got a modified Hall already), an A4 with valences, some BR Pullmans. And as many Lima 117 vehicles as possible to convert as I need a 118, 2 x 116, a not B430/117 305 117, also DC kits 120 and 119.
This is the perils of modelling the early to mid 80s - I stretch down to Deltics and up to late 80s so I can run more.
Each train is OK but I mix periods a little, but in 1985 there were a lot of interesting things around. but can I run a choc & cream DMU alongside a refurbished Class 50 in normal blue (not large logo).
My steam stuff and pre nat vehicles are instantly "Preserved" but of my usable steam models. (including a motorising Airfix City and a half built (for 20 years) Airfix 4MT - excluding "Polly") half have been main line ticketed, of the rest just over half are of preserved line locos, and the rest are not preserved members of preserved classes so will probably get renumbered but I am too scared to touch Bachmanns finish.
Now where will I get the few thousand from?
Enzo Matrix - 09 Oct 2006 18:19 GMT >>> Hornby is producing some of the most wonderful British outline >>> models that you would ever hope to see. Their new Gresley A3s, A4s [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Now where will I get the few thousand from? LOL I know what you mean.
And I see in this month's "Model Rail" that Bachmann's new BR Std 2MT is nearly ready for release. And how long will it be before they rework their Ivatt 4MT into a BR Std 4MT?
It's a conspiracy to bankrupt me, I tell ya! :-D
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e - 09 Oct 2006 19:44 GMT >>>> Hornby is producing some of the most wonderful British outline >>>> models that you would ever hope to see. Their new Gresley A3s, A4s [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > >It's a conspiracy to bankrupt me, I tell ya! :-D but you end up with more than if you blew it on hookers and beer.
Enzo Matrix - 09 Oct 2006 20:16 GMT > In article <gIydnd19X-FcGbfYRVnyvw@giganews.com>, "Enzo Matrix" >> And I see in this month's "Model Rail" that Bachmann's new BR Std [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > but you end up with more than if you blew it on hookers and > beer. OK... I can understand spending money on beer. Fair enough...
But why on *earth* would anyone spend money on rugby players???
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e - 09 Oct 2006 20:37 GMT >> In article <gIydnd19X-FcGbfYRVnyvw@giganews.com>, "Enzo Matrix" >>> And I see in this month's "Model Rail" that Bachmann's new BR Std [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >But why on *earth* would anyone spend money on rugby players??? i could perhaps see it if you were a gambler.
Mad-Modeller - 10 Oct 2006 02:52 GMT > > In article <gIydnd19X-FcGbfYRVnyvw@giganews.com>, "Enzo Matrix" > >> And I see in this month's "Model Rail" that Bachmann's new BR Std [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. Yeesh, there's two ways to go with this. In the spirit of e's comment one could ask what you plan to do with the rugby players. e, you forgot that Hooker's Army wouldn't be well known across the pond.
So, Enzo, what do you call 'professional women' over there?
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. ;)
AussieRob - 10 Oct 2006 02:45 GMT Mad-Modeller <checkreplyto@nextline.com> wrote in news:452B09FF.64A501C1 @nextline.com:
> So, Enzo, what do you call 'professional women' over there? > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > ;) They're referred to as 'Toms' - dontcha ever watch "The Bill"?
Rob
Mad-Modeller - 10 Oct 2006 05:55 GMT > Mad-Modeller <checkreplyto@nextline.com> wrote in news:452B09FF.64A501C1 > @nextline.com: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Rob Nope, never heard of it. The local PBS station seems to be stuck on the same 6 BBC shows and I, for one, am heartily tired of Hyacinth. There're obviously other shows available. If I still could get WHYY great old movies would be available Saturday nights but we can't have two PBS stations on our cable. The heck of it is we have about 8 channels with nothing on them.
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
kim - 10 Oct 2006 13:35 GMT > > Mad-Modeller <checkreplyto@nextline.com> wrote in news:452B09FF.64A501C1 > > @nextline.com: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Nope, never heard of it. The local PBS station seems to be stuck on the > same 6 BBC shows and I, for one, am heartily tired of Hyacinth. You should worry? She's my mother! :o) (Or so people tell me)
(kim)
Mad-Modeller - 11 Oct 2006 02:36 GMT > > > Mad-Modeller <checkreplyto@nextline.com> wrote in news:452B09FF.64A501C1 > > > @nextline.com: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > (kim) Sheridan!
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e - 10 Oct 2006 03:52 GMT >Pat > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >;) enzo know's what a hooker is.
Mad-Modeller - 10 Oct 2006 06:00 GMT > >Pat > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >;) > enzo know's what a hooker is. Are you 'ass-u-ming' that? ;)
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e - 10 Oct 2006 16:00 GMT >> >Pat >> > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. no, i'm sure.
Enzo Matrix - 10 Oct 2006 08:53 GMT e smirked:
>> Pat >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> ;) > enzo know's what a hooker is. nodnodnod He's the bloke wot hooks the ball out of a rugby scrum. ;-)
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e - 10 Oct 2006 16:01 GMT >e smirked: >>> Pat [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >nodnodnod He's the bloke wot hooks the ball out of a rugby scrum. ;-) wizz azz
Enzo Matrix - 10 Oct 2006 08:52 GMT Mad-Modeller smirked:
>>> In article <gIydnd19X-FcGbfYRVnyvw@giganews.com>, "Enzo Matrix" >>>> And I see in this month's "Model Rail" that Bachmann's new BR Std [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > So, Enzo, what do you call 'professional women' over there? Depends what profession they are in. Doctors, lawyers, architects, engineers... they're all professionals, innit? ;-)
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Martin - 11 Oct 2006 11:41 GMT >>But why on *earth* would anyone spend money on rugby players??? Ask the team owners/sponsors
Probably to get top of Premiership
kim - 10 Oct 2006 01:44 GMT > >>> Hornby is producing some of the most wonderful British outline > >>> models that you would ever hope to see. Their new Gresley A3s, A4s [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > And I see in this month's "Model Rail" that Bachmann's new BR Std 2MT is > nearly ready for release. I thought the Fairburn was next? The "standards" are of no interest to us since they are "foreign" locomotives. The Ivatt yes as that is LMS.
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Enzo Matrix - 10 Oct 2006 08:50 GMT > "Enzo Matrix" <enzo55@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to us since they are "foreign" locomotives. The Ivatt yes as that is > LMS. In a manner of speaking, the Standards were LMS: The Next Generation. The 2MTs and 4MTs, both tanks and tender engines, were simply reworked Ivatt designs. The 5MT was a reworked Black 5. The Britannias and Clans were in many ways a smaller version of the Duchess class. It's hardly surprising really. Mr Riddles, the CME of British Railways, was an LMS man through and through.
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kim - 10 Oct 2006 16:32 GMT > > "Enzo Matrix" <enzo55@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > really. Mr Riddles, the CME of British Railways, was an LMS man through and > through. The Riddles designs were not nearly as well-built or as good-looking as those of his predecessors.
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Enzo Matrix - 10 Oct 2006 18:40 GMT kim smirked:
>>> "Enzo Matrix" <enzo55@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > The Riddles designs were not nearly as well-built or as good-looking > as those of his predecessors. Dunno about the "well built" business. They were built by the same erecting shops that had built engines for the Big Four. Crewe, Doncaster, Eastleigh, Swindon... they all built Standards.
However, you have a point with the "good-looking" side of things. The Standards were built for utility and ease of maintenance, not for looks. Something as good looking as a Claughton (voice offstage: "He's banging on about them flippin' Claughtons again!") was a nightmare to maintain, because all the hot and/or moving bits were hidden behind nice valances, splashers and low running plates.
The Standards had high running plates simply to provide access, but that gave them a very "American" appearance which took a bit of getting used to. Just think about the reaction that Bulleid's Q1 and Ivatt's 4MT had when they appeared some years before the Standards. Both were built with high or non-existent running plates. Both were considered frightful to look at, but became very popular indeed with their running and maintenance crews.
Nevertheless, I think the Britannias were some of the most handsome engines ever built in the UK. Not a patch on Claughtons, though... ;-)
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kim - 10 Oct 2006 19:07 GMT > kim smirked: > >>> "Enzo Matrix" <enzo55@hotmail.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > shops that had built engines for the Big Four. Crewe, Doncaster, Eastleigh, > Swindon... they all built Standards. Crewe I've heard of. In which country are the other places?
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Enzo Matrix - 10 Oct 2006 19:14 GMT > "Enzo Matrix" <enzo55@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> Dunno about the "well built" business. They were built by the same >> erecting shops that had built engines for the Big Four. Crewe, >> Doncaster, Eastleigh, Swindon... they all built Standards. > > Crewe I've heard of. In which country are the other places? LOL
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Martin - 11 Oct 2006 11:43 GMT >>In a manner of speaking, the Standards were LMS: The Next Generation. The >>2MTs and 4MTs, both tanks and tender engines, were simply reworked Ivatt >>designs. The 5MT was a reworked Black 5. The Britannias and Clans were in >>many ways a smaller version of the Duchess class. It's hardly surprising >>really. Mr Riddles, the CME of British Railways, was an LMS man through and >>through. And the Black 5 is influenced by the Hall - Stanier was ex GWR
Enzo Matrix - 11 Oct 2006 14:49 GMT Martin smirked:
>>> In a manner of speaking, the Standards were LMS: The Next >>> Generation. The 2MTs and 4MTs, both tanks and tender engines, were [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > And the Black 5 is influenced by the Hall - Stanier was ex GWR That's true. There was a lot of Churchward's influence in post-Fowler LMS design.
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Martin - 12 Oct 2006 10:48 GMT >>That's true. There was a lot of Churchward's influence in post-Fowler LMS >>design. BR Standards influenced by Churchward - he would have liked that
I also reckon the 8F has the same sort of links to the 28xx as the 5MT has to the Halls
Enzo Matrix - 12 Oct 2006 17:50 GMT >>> That's true. There was a lot of Churchward's influence in >>> post-Fowler LMS design. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I also reckon the 8F has the same sort of links to the 28xx as the > 5MT has to the Halls True... but I reckon the 8F is far better looking!
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Martin - 16 Oct 2006 11:40 GMT >True... but I reckon the 8F is far better looking! Both are purposeful but neither are a 9F
kim - 17 Oct 2006 21:17 GMT > >True... but I reckon the 8F is far better looking! > > Both are purposeful but neither are a 9F But for the ban on steam in 1968, the Staniers would still be running long after all the Riddles designs had gone to the breakers yard.
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Martin - 11 Oct 2006 11:40 GMT >>LOL I know what you mean. >> >>And I see in this month's "Model Rail" that Bachmann's new BR Std 2MT is >>nearly ready for release. And how long will it be before they rework their >>Ivatt 4MT into a BR Std 4MT? No no no - I can't afford it (we have 76079 locally)
>>It's a conspiracy to bankrupt me, I tell ya! :-D Exactly
Martin - 09 Oct 2006 10:43 GMT >>So, what's Hornby up to mowadays? Somewhere I have a 1970s catalogue >>full of model trains. >> >>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. Still in the model railway business. Outsourced production to China, upped quality a lot, their new Class 50 is Superb (aghhhh), and the 08 is great, expanding to do N gauge buildings
Still own Scaletrix
It is the end result of a quality battle waged between Bachman and Hornby, Lima was a deserved loser, as they upped their prices without raising quality, we now insist on both bogies driven.
Enzo Matrix - 09 Oct 2006 18:14 GMT >>> So, what's Hornby up to mowadays? Somewhere I have a 1970s >>> catalogue full of model trains. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Still in the model railway business. Outsourced production to China, > upped quality a lot, their new Class 50 is Superb *snigger*
> It is the end result of a quality battle waged between Bachman and > Hornby, Lima was a deserved loser And we're the winners!
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Martin - 11 Oct 2006 11:44 GMT >>> Still in the model railway business. Outsourced production to China, >>> upped quality a lot, their new Class 50 is Superb
>>*snigger* Thought you would get my accidental pun!
Mad-Modeller - 10 Oct 2006 02:58 GMT > >>So, what's Hornby up to mowadays? Somewhere I have a 1970s catalogue > >>full of model trains. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Lima was a deserved loser, as they upped their prices without raising > quality, we now insist on both bogies driven. Possibly, but they went down whilst I was buying their overhead sections. They were more reasonable than Somerfeldt.
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
who still owns some SA Rwy electrics
Hawkeye - 05 Oct 2006 15:05 GMT I haven't heard that, but in the latest SAMI the editor did mention that Corgi & Hornby are being mentioned as possible buyers for Airfix. Only time will tell, kick back in the recliner and watch what happens...maybe someone will buy R/M & Airfix and create a new company. Hawkeye
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