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4. André - 21 Nov 2006 18:38 GMT
Thanx for all the answers about Heller.

But when it comes to Airfix I am a little worried. It is good that all
Airfix moulds are in port, but do we want this Hornby guy to produce those
crappy old kits again? Isn't it better to put those moulds in a museum and
look at Hasegawa and Trumpeter to set the standard???
Sure Airfix is nostalgia, but is that enough today??? Will this make more
people start building kits or do we want those old kits when other companies
make better kits of the same airplane or tank? I don't think so.
Hope Airfix will take some idéas from the asian companies and start making
new high quality kit for the masses...

//André
kim - 21 Nov 2006 19:02 GMT
> Thanx for all the answers about Heller.
>
> But when it comes to Airfix I am a little worried. It is good that all
> Airfix moulds are in port, but do we want this Hornby guy to produce those
> crappy old kits again?

Since - according to reports I've read - Hornby has bought the origninal
moulds, that appears to be exactly what [they] intend to do. Hornby has
already done something similar with the railway brands it bought recently.

BTW Frank Hornby is long dead and the current company has litle to do with
him other than having bought the name.

(kim)
Count DeMoney - 21 Nov 2006 19:08 GMT
Why would anyone want to produce new kits under the Airfix label?  The
reason Airfix went broke is there are already more manufacturers and
more new things on the market than anyone could possibly build let
alone all the old stuff still being packaged.  There are people out
there with 1000 kits in their stash complaining about some obscure
subject that isn't available.  It's the old law of supply and demand.
The model building hobby is shrinking while supply has grown.
Something's gotta give.
4. André - 21 Nov 2006 19:30 GMT
Maybe you are right. Maybe we are better without Airfix. But it's still
nostlgia...

And sorry about the Hornby misstake :-)

//André

> Why would anyone want to produce new kits under the Airfix label?  The
> reason Airfix went broke is there are already more manufacturers and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> The model building hobby is shrinking while supply has grown.
> Something's gotta give.
e - 21 Nov 2006 23:40 GMT
>Why would anyone want to produce new kits under the Airfix label?  The
>reason Airfix went broke is there are already more manufacturers and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>The model building hobby is shrinking while supply has grown.
>Something's gotta give.

i'll buy the kits that are now rare and expensive.
which seems to be every one i want to build
Mad-Modeller - 22 Nov 2006 04:37 GMT
Send me your list.  I may still have some of them.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
eyeball - 22 Nov 2006 02:25 GMT
I'm glad that airfix has a buyer,and I for one hope they continue the
re-issues.I bought a lot cause they were much cheaper then
tamigawa...and more fun to build for not being state of the art!

> Thanx for all the answers about Heller.
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> //André
eyeball - 22 Nov 2006 02:25 GMT
I'm glad that airfix has a buyer,and I for one hope they continue the
re-issues.I bought a lot cause they were much cheaper then
tamigawa...and more fun to build for not being state of the art!

> Thanx for all the answers about Heller.
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> //André
PaPaPeng - 22 Nov 2006 08:16 GMT
>Thanx for all the answers about Heller.
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>//André

The  capital costs of molds have already been paid off long ago.  The
kits do not come up to modern standards for scale models.  What Hornby
should do is to go back to Airfix's original market philosophy.  That
is to make kit so cheap that kids can afford them and not worry about
making mistakes.  So like 40 years ago just pack them in soft plastic
bags with  a stapled on paper tag , hang them from pegboard hooks and
sell them for $2 (to $10 for the larger kits) as stocking stuffers.
Send them to China to do the injection molding and packaging.  Even
they wouldn't want to pirate these old molds.   I would think most of
us had started in this hobby making a mess with these early kits.  If
present day kids can do the same perhaps we wouldn't have so many
moans about them not taking to this hobby.
John - 22 Nov 2006 10:02 GMT
> The  capital costs of molds have already been paid off long ago.  The
> kits do not come up to modern standards for scale models.  What Hornby
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> present day kids can do the same perhaps we wouldn't have so many
> moans about them not taking to this hobby.

*Excellent* thoughts!  [Most of] the older Airfix kits can't stand
comparison with more recent versions from other manufacturers.  
Nonetheless they're still GREAT fun (as someone else said above (sorry -
didn't catch your name!)  there's no fun in assembling a 54-piece
control stick.

The fun element (for Dads as well as kids) is a niche that Hornby/Airfix
could leap into: they already have all the moulds!  The side-benefit -
for them as well as us - is that it would give the whole industry a
boost.  They could still sell their better and/or more recent kits as
"Premium Kits".

Now: how do we get PaPaPeng's message to Horny/Airfix?

Best wishes to all
John

p.s. I for one would be dismayed and grief-stricken to see the old red
Airfix "flash" disappear: I'm afraid it strikes a chord in my psyche
which must be 50 years deep by now!  But never mind, eh?
e - 22 Nov 2006 15:15 GMT
>> The  capital costs of molds have already been paid off long ago.  The
>> kits do not come up to modern standards for scale models.  What Hornby
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>Airfix "flash" disappear: I'm afraid it strikes a chord in my psyche
>which must be 50 years deep by now!  But never mind, eh?

don't forget that like lindberg, airfix did ac no one else
did. like the sunderland and bv141. yes, i know about the
mpm bv 141. i have one but who else does?
-whatshistush
Ron Smith - 22 Nov 2006 17:59 GMT
> don't forget that like lindberg, airfix did ac no one else
> did. like the sunderland and bv141. yes, i know about the
> mpm bv 141. i have one but who else does?
> -whatshistush

I sold two of the MPM kit the first week of my sale......;)
e - 22 Nov 2006 19:50 GMT
>> don't forget that like lindberg, airfix did ac no one else
>> did. like the sunderland and bv141. yes, i know about the
>> mpm bv 141. i have one but who else does?
>> -whatshistush
>
>I sold two of the MPM kit the first week of my sale......;)

have any of them been built?
kim - 22 Nov 2006 19:12 GMT
> don't forget that like lindberg, airfix did ac no one else
> did. like the sunderland

I should bloody think so too, it's British! :o)

(kim)
Mad-Modeller - 23 Nov 2006 02:59 GMT
> > don't forget that like lindberg, airfix did ac no one else
> > did. like the sunderland
>
> I should bloody think so too, it's British! :o)
>
> (kim)

Yeah, so where was the Lerwick?

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
;)
kim - 22 Nov 2006 11:38 GMT
> >Thanx for all the answers about Heller.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> The  capital costs of molds have already been paid off long ago.

Hardly, Hornby had to purchase the moulds from the liquidator at modern day
prices so they will have to raise prices to pay off that cost.

> Send them to China to do the injection molding and packaging.

It hasn't worked for Hornby's railway models. Since they've been made in
China the packaging has been terrible and prices have risen sharply.

(kim)
AMPSOne@aol.com - 22 Nov 2006 22:41 GMT
> It hasn't worked for Hornby's railway models. Since they've been made in
> China the packaging has been terrible and prices have risen sharply.
>
> (kim)

True, but they run a LOT better...!

Cookie Sewell
Ron Smith - 22 Nov 2006 17:52 GMT
> The  capital costs of molds have already been paid off long ago.  The
> kits do not come up to modern standards for scale models.  What Hornby
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> present day kids can do the same perhaps we wouldn't have so many
> moans about them not taking to this hobby.

That makes entirely too much sense.
Count DeMoney - 22 Nov 2006 18:00 GMT
> That makes entirely too much sense.

AMEN !!!
Harro de Jong - 22 Nov 2006 10:06 GMT
andre_n75@hotmail.com (4. André) wrote in
<ejvh4m$1u90$1@blue.telenor.se>:

> It is good that all
>Airfix moulds are in port, but do we want this Hornby guy to produce
>those crappy old kits again? Isn't it better to put those moulds in a
>museum and look at Hasegawa and Trumpeter to set the standard???

There are still subjects for which Airfix is the only game in town, and I'd
rather have a crappy kit than no kit at all.
Also, those 'crappy old kits' are still in enough demand that prices went
up once the news of Airfix's problems became public.
And third, not all of Airfix's kits were bad. Certainly their recent
releases were rather nice (yeah, yeah, maybe not perfect, but then again
they don't cost the earth). Airfix had a test shot of the RNLI lifeboat on
their stand at Telford, and it looks brilliant.  

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PaPaPeng - 22 Nov 2006 16:57 GMT
>andre_n75@hotmail.com (4. André) wrote in
><ejvh4m$1u90$1@blue.telenor.se>:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>those crappy old kits again? Isn't it better to put those moulds in a
>>museum and look at Hasegawa and Trumpeter to set the standard???

>There are still subjects for which Airfix is the only game in town, and I'd
>rather have a crappy kit than no kit at all.

We are talking about the same country that can produce Trumpy and
Dragon kits plus a lot of other real advanced injection molded stuff.
Hornby's problem is not a China is a substandard contractor but a
matter of whom they chose to outsource to.

>Also, those 'crappy old kits' are still in enough demand that prices went
>up once the news of Airfix's problems became public.

Demand from a few afficiandos is not the same as broad popular demand.

>And third, not all of Airfix's kits were bad. Certainly their recent
>releases were rather nice (yeah, yeah, maybe not perfect, but then again
>they don't cost the earth). Airfix had a test shot of the RNLI lifeboat on
>their stand at Telford, and it looks brilliant.  

The basic idea of packaging cheap and vey basic kits is still good.
For the latter year "better and only game in town" Airfix models I
believe Hornby should sell or license those to a low price mainstream
plastic models kit manufacturer like Italerie or Revell to market.
The plastic models field is already overcrowded and I don't think
there is a a "must buy" modelling subject that has not already been
attempted by current model designers-manufacturers.  Hornby is
unlikely to introduce new models.  Even if they do the effort is
unlikely to be sustained for more than a model or two.  

Hornby should recover as much of Airfix investment as possible by
selling off the high end molds and concentrate on selling the low end
stocking stuffers.  No marketing is required as Airfix is already
wellknown.  Run it as a profit making product line.  These models have
been a stready revenue stream for something like 50 years and still
has life in it.  There is  no money in starting another plastic model
label or product line.
JP - 23 Nov 2006 00:12 GMT
A senior exec from Hornby said in a radio interview last week that they
intend to go after 2 ends of the market: One, the theme end of the market
e.g Wallace & Grommett etc to encourage new young model makers. The other
the high end enthusiasts looking for fine scale.

Wait and see.

Regards
JP
e - 23 Nov 2006 01:23 GMT
>A senior exec from Hornby said in a radio interview last week that they
>intend to go after 2 ends of the market: One, the theme end of the market
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Regards
>JP

i hope they don't ignore the cheap kit bashers.
i need at least 4 more sunderlands and 3 stirlings.
Richard Brooks - 23 Nov 2006 06:46 GMT
JP said the following on 23/11/06 00:12:
> A senior exec from Hornby said in a radio interview last week that they
> intend to go after 2 ends of the market: One, the theme end of the market
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Regards
> JP

Maybe they could produce mobile phone, X-Box and iPod kits for the lazy?

It shouldn't be too much of a problem for them grabbing rights to the
Dr. Who and Torchwood series.

Richard.
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"Naturally the common people don't want war, but they can always be
brought to the bidding of the leaders.  Tell them they are being
attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
endangering the country.  It works the same in every country."
Reichsmarshall Herman Goering, Nuremberg, 1946

kim - 23 Nov 2006 16:14 GMT
> JP said the following on 23/11/06 00:12:
> > A senior exec from Hornby said in a radio interview last week that they
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> It shouldn't be too much of a problem for them grabbing rights to the
> Dr. Who and Torchwood series.

Torchwood is likely to be cancelled before they could produce the first
model. It's unlikely to be missed either.

(kim)
Enzo Matrix - 23 Nov 2006 16:40 GMT
>> JP said the following on 23/11/06 00:12:
>>> A senior exec from Hornby said in a radio interview last week that
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Torchwood is likely to be cancelled before they could produce the
> first model. It's unlikely to be missed either.

And so far the only model that could be tied in with the show is a Range
Rover.

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kim - 23 Nov 2006 16:42 GMT
> >> JP said the following on 23/11/06 00:12:
> >>> A senior exec from Hornby said in a radio interview last week that
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> And so far the only model that could be tied in with the show is a Range
> Rover.

I heard Lego already make one :o)

(kim)
Richard Brooks - 23 Nov 2006 18:53 GMT
Enzo Matrix said the following on 23/11/06 16:40:
>>> JP said the following on 23/11/06 00:12:
>>>> A senior exec from Hornby said in a radio interview last week that
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> And so far the only model that could be tied in with the show is a Range
> Rover.

I just thought!  It'd be a bad idea as the kids watching think it's okay
to nick stuff and take it home so they'll link that to shoplifting.

Richard.

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"Naturally the common people don't want war, but they can always be
brought to the bidding of the leaders.  Tell them they are being
attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
endangering the country.  It works the same in every country."
Reichsmarshall Herman Goering, Nuremberg, 1946

Enzo Matrix - 23 Nov 2006 19:10 GMT
> Enzo Matrix said the following on 23/11/06 16:40:
>>>> JP said the following on 23/11/06 00:12:
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> okay to nick stuff and take it home so they'll link that to
> shoplifting.

LOL

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kim - 23 Nov 2006 21:24 GMT
> Enzo Matrix said the following on 23/11/06 16:40:
> >>> JP said the following on 23/11/06 00:12:
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> I just thought!  It'd be a bad idea as the kids watching think it's okay
> to nick stuff and take it home so they'll link that to shoplifting.

As opposed to covering someone in barbecue sauce and feeding them to a
pterodactyl.

(kim)
Enzo Matrix - 24 Nov 2006 10:45 GMT
>> Enzo Matrix said the following on 23/11/06 16:40:
>>>>> JP said the following on 23/11/06 00:12:
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> As opposed to covering someone in barbecue sauce and feeding them to a
> pterodactyl.

Don't make me ranty. You wouldn't like me when I'm ranty!

;-)

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kim - 24 Nov 2006 12:46 GMT
> Don't make me ranty. You wouldn't like me when I'm ranty!

As a matter of fact, I read your comments in uk.media.tv.sf.drwho but didn't
respond as I knew they were being crossposted from another group :o)

Checkout my COLOUR photo of ex-LNWR Bucephalus in uk.rec.models.rail.
There's an even beter one in the book I mention.

(kim).
Enzo Matrix - 24 Nov 2006 14:17 GMT
>> Don't make me ranty. You wouldn't like me when I'm ranty!
>
> As a matter of fact, I read your comments in uk.media.tv.sf.drwho but
> didn't respond as I knew they were being crossposted from another
> group :o)

Yeh... sorry about that. I didn't realise that the thread was crossposted
until I'd ranted on and on and on...  I try not to propagate crossposts.

> Checkout my COLOUR photo of ex-LNWR Bucephalus in uk.rec.models.rail.

That's a thing of beauty!

Don't spose there's a picture of a Claughton as well???

You just *knew* it was coming, didn't you?  ;-)

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kim - 24 Nov 2006 17:09 GMT
> >> Don't make me ranty. You wouldn't like me when I'm ranty!
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Yeh... sorry about that. I didn't realise that the thread was crossposted
> until I'd ranted on and on and on...  I try not to propagate crossposts.

They do it on purpose. They troll an unrelated group then set the follow ups
to uk.media.tv.sf.drwho

> > Checkout my COLOUR photo of ex-LNWR Bucephalus in uk.rec.models.rail.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> You just *knew* it was coming, didn't you?  ;-)

I had a slight inkling you might say that :o)

(kim)
Richard Brooks - 23 Nov 2006 18:52 GMT
kim said the following on 23/11/06 16:14:
>> JP said the following on 23/11/06 00:12:
>>> A senior exec from Hornby said in a radio interview last week that they
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> (kim)

Damn right but someone must like it...apart from the self-serving
writers.  Nah!

Maybe a set of male and female body parts so that the helpless can make
their own X-Factor stars of the moment ?

In honour of Sir Joseph Bazalgette and his Great Grandson who is mainly
responsible for all this 'reality' crap, I propose a model of a great
steaming turd.  To Sir J.B. for trying to flush the stuff down into the
great sewers he engineered and Peter for sculpting it into great
steaming piles of tv programming.

There, I feel better now.  Sorry guys!

Richard.

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"Naturally the common people don't want war, but they can always be
brought to the bidding of the leaders.  Tell them they are being
attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
endangering the country.  It works the same in every country."
Reichsmarshall Herman Goering, Nuremberg, 1946

William H. Shuey - 24 Nov 2006 05:10 GMT
> Maybe a set of male and female body parts so that the helpless can make
> their own X-Factor stars of the moment ?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> There, I feel better now.  Sorry guys!

It sounds ;like TV in the UK is getting just as bad as here in the
States!

                        Bill Shuey
maiesm72@netscape.com - 24 Nov 2006 07:15 GMT
Should I be the first to suggest just whom would be the most likely
person to attempt the scene as described below?

Tom

> In honour of Sir Joseph Bazalgette and his Great Grandson who is mainly
> responsible for all this 'reality' crap, I propose a model of a great
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> endangering the country.  It works the same in every country."
> Reichsmarshall Herman Goering, Nuremberg, 1946
Enzo Matrix - 24 Nov 2006 10:46 GMT
> Should I be the first to suggest just whom would be the most likely
> person to attempt the scene as described below?

Channel 5 would show it. They've shown Keith Chegwin naked so we know they
have no pride whatsoever.

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Jules - 24 Nov 2006 10:51 GMT
> > Should I be the first to suggest just whom would be the most likely
> > person to attempt the scene as described below?
>
> Channel 5 would show it. They've shown Keith Chegwin naked so we know they
> have no pride whatsoever.

But they show The Shield....i love that show, i wait yearly for it...just
the best
Richard Brooks - 24 Nov 2006 14:34 GMT
Enzo Matrix said the following on 24/11/06 10:46:
>> Should I be the first to suggest just whom would be the most likely
>> person to attempt the scene as described below?
>
> Channel 5 would show it. They've shown Keith Chegwin naked so we know they
> have no pride whatsoever.

Strangely enough an American comedian described doing such a thing on
tv!  His skit was part of one of the BBC freeview channel's programmes
where some guy mostly slags off tv programming.

The comedian described having a scene pop up on tv every day at the same
time of a great steaming pile of poo.  No text, nothing else.  After a
while, people will tune in and ask "what the hell is that all about ?"
Then, the clever bit - you take it off air and people will then phone in
asking where it's gone.

Anyhoo, to take it back on topic now with one of the early British
screen time fillers making a comeback - The Potter's Wheel BTW, I
suggest we have some new ones and one of a bloke making a model kit
stage by stage with nothing other than some acoustic guitar music might
suit.

Richard.

Signature

"Naturally the common people don't want war, but they can always be
brought to the bidding of the leaders.  Tell them they are being
attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
endangering the country.  It works the same in every country."
Reichsmarshall Herman Goering, Nuremberg, 1946

kim - 24 Nov 2006 17:05 GMT
> Anyhoo, to take it back on topic now with one of the early British
> screen time fillers making a comeback - The Potter's Wheel BTW, I
> suggest we have some new ones and one of a bloke making a model kit
> stage by stage with nothing other than some acoustic guitar music might
> suit.

To drown the swearing?

(kim)
Mad-Modeller - 25 Nov 2006 04:19 GMT
> > Anyhoo, to take it back on topic now with one of the early British
> > screen time fillers making a comeback - The Potter's Wheel BTW, I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> (kim)

Make sure there's a medical team on standby. ;)

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Richard Brooks - 25 Nov 2006 08:31 GMT
kim said the following on 24/11/06 17:05:

>> Anyhoo, to take it back on topic now with one of the early British
>> screen time fillers making a comeback - The Potter's Wheel BTW, I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> (kim)

LOL! That would be great!

It would probably end with the model (if it has wings) being hooked to
fishing wire from a bedroom window and the end of a .22 air rifle being
poked out to face it as it slides down into the garden.

That would bring lots of cheers from those who remember that sort of thing.

Richard.

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"Naturally the common people don't want war, but they can always be
brought to the bidding of the leaders.  Tell them they are being
attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
endangering the country.  It works the same in every country."
Reichsmarshall Herman Goering, Nuremberg, 1946

Mad-Modeller - 25 Nov 2006 04:19 GMT
> > Should I be the first to suggest just whom would be the most likely
> > person to attempt the scene as described below?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

Must be a Murdoch enterprise.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Martin - 29 Nov 2006 16:21 GMT
>>Torchwood is likely to be cancelled before they could produce the first
>>model. It's unlikely to be missed either.

Enough of a success for a S2
kim - 30 Nov 2006 02:21 GMT
> >>Torchwood is likely to be cancelled before they could produce the first
> >>model. It's unlikely to be missed either.
>
> Enough of a success for a S2

Series 2 was already commissioned before Series 1 had aired.

(kim)
Martin - 29 Nov 2006 16:25 GMT
I want the lifeboat and the Nimrod!
Model Hobbies - 29 Nov 2006 22:57 GMT
Ok, Hornby have done well with model railways continually bringing out
new moulds and keeping the brand and range interesting.  Airfix's sad
demise was due to the fact they did not invest in  new tooling.

There is a market for all of the old tools if they run along some new
tools and the RNLI Lifeboat is due out in January which will be very
popular in the UK.

Trumpeter are still producing a mould for the Nimrod which will be
produced under the Airfix banner too.

Everyone must realise that in the UK Airfix was by far and away the
best selling brand, irrespective of the quality of the tooling.  Noone
else comes close, Revell are the closest and they were quite far
behind.

If Airfix take a leaf out of Revell's book and produce kits
predominantly for their own domestic market they will succeed.  Why do
Revell produce endless kits based on German liveries etc, because this
is their core market.

We are a retailer in the UK and feel like banging our heads against the
wall with Airfix, such a strong brand and a lack of investment.

Nick
Model Hobbies Limited
www.modelhobbies.co.uk

> Thanx for all the answers about Heller.
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> //André
Richard Brooks - 30 Nov 2006 01:19 GMT
Model Hobbies said the following on 29/11/06 22:57:
> Ok, Hornby have done well with model railways continually bringing out
> new moulds and keeping the brand and range interesting.  Airfix's sad
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> Model Hobbies Limited
> www.modelhobbies.co.uk

Hey, it's the way it's done in the UK!  :-)

Remember the Troubleshooter series where Sir John Harvey-Jones gave
British companies a right kick up the arse, and of the Morgan plant; "we
stick something on the chassis.  Push it outside to wait in the rain for
fifteen months then push it back inside for another bit to go on...")
and let's not forget that the Filofax company originally consisted of an
old couple who made the items by hand for well-to-do gentlemen, in a
lock-up 'underneath the arches' as it were ?

Sadly I missed the Troubleshooter episode (Triang or Lesney) which
showed Sir JHJ standing against some chain link fencing and what used to
be a factory but was then a pile of rubble with the trademark red and
blue tricycle sitting on top but that's what we seem to do well, going
down the pan!

Richard.

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"Naturally the common people don't want war, but they can always be
brought to the bidding of the leaders.  Tell them they are being
attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
endangering the country.  It works the same in every country."
Reichsmarshall Herman Goering, Nuremberg, 1946

kim - 30 Nov 2006 02:27 GMT
> Hey, it's the way it's done in the UK!  :-)
>
> Remember the Troubleshooter series where Sir John Harvey-Jones gave
> British companies a right kick up the arse, and of the Morgan plant; "we
> stick something on the chassis.  Push it outside to wait in the rain for
> fifteen months then push it back inside for another bit to go on...")

Yet Morgan survived when all there mass production rivals went bust.

(kim)
Richard Brooks - 30 Nov 2006 02:54 GMT
kim said the following on 30/11/06 02:27:
>> Hey, it's the way it's done in the UK!  :-)
>>
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>
> (kim)

But IIRC only after their finally listening to JHJ who said that not all
the hand made stuff had to be hand made and in-house for one thing and
for them finally taking on a production line format.

Initially it was a factory setup reminiscent of an Ealing farce but
that's what we do best!  :-)

Richard.

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Enzo Matrix - 30 Nov 2006 10:53 GMT
> Ok, Hornby have done well with model railways continually bringing out
> new moulds and keeping the brand and range interesting.  Airfix's sad
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> If Airfix take a leaf out of Revell's book and produce kits
> predominantly for their own domestic market they will succeed.

May I then suggest a decent quality EE Lightning and Gloster Javelin in
1/72?

And an LNWR Claughton wouldn't go amiss either.  Oops, wrong group!  :-D

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Richard Brooks - 30 Nov 2006 11:43 GMT
Enzo Matrix said the following on 30/11/06 10:53:
>> Ok, Hornby have done well with model railways continually bringing out
>> new moulds and keeping the brand and range interesting.  Airfix's sad
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> May I then suggest a decent quality EE Lightning and Gloster Javelin in
> 1/72?

Bristol Britannia, Blackburn Beverley, Shorts Belfast, HS Andover and AW
Argosy for starters and for flooring how about a pan diorama base or
concrete blocking, lighting gantries, starter units...

<http://www.airport-technology.com/contractors/groundequipment/gallery.html>
God, there's so much there!

...single bay glue together units for the C-Type Hangar.  Even if there
were possibly only 12-bay C-Type hangars in reality, for a diorama the
front few bays could be glued together with closed or open doors.

<http://oldairfields.fotopic.net/p8162862.html>

> And an LNWR Claughton wouldn't go amiss either.  Oops, wrong group!  :-D

Why wrong group ?

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Enzo Matrix - 30 Nov 2006 12:16 GMT
> Enzo Matrix said the following on 30/11/06 10:53:
>>>
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> AW Argosy for starters and for flooring how about a pan diorama base
> or concrete blocking, lighting gantries, starter units...

Scimitar, Sea Vixen, Swift, Venom...

>> And an LNWR Claughton wouldn't go amiss either.  Oops, wrong group! :-D
>
> Why wrong group ?

I usually mither about that obsession on uk.rec.models.rail

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Richard Brooks - 30 Nov 2006 13:05 GMT
Enzo Matrix said the following on 30/11/06 12:16:
>> Enzo Matrix said the following on 30/11/06 10:53:
>>>> If Airfix take a leaf out of Revell's book and produce kits
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Scimitar, Sea Vixen, Swift, Venom...

For salivating over the real thing look out for the Look At Life series
on DVD featuring Cold War Jets.  I found mine at a car boot sale and
it's just sweet!  The lucky older ones can remember seeing those ten
minute features at their local Odeon cinema.

>>> And an LNWR Claughton wouldn't go amiss either.  Oops, wrong group! :-D
>> Why wrong group ?
>
> I usually mither about that obsession on uk.rec.models.rail

For some reason I still remember the Evening Star as a sweet model and
also might still have a few Ages of Steam LPs in the attic.

Richard.

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Enzo Matrix - 30 Nov 2006 13:21 GMT
> For some reason I still remember the Evening Star as a sweet model and
> also might still have a few Ages of Steam LPs in the attic.

Bachmann have just released a brand new, state of the art 9F model.  It's a
thing of rare beauty. The "Evening Star" version sold out very quickly
indeed.

http://www.ehattons.com/StockDetail.aspx?SID=11532

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Richard Brooks - 30 Nov 2006 13:27 GMT
Enzo Matrix said the following on 30/11/06 13:21:
>> For some reason I still remember the Evening Star as a sweet model and
>> also might still have a few Ages of Steam LPs in the attic.
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>
> http://www.ehattons.com/StockDetail.aspx?SID=11532

Enzo, you weren't also on the train for a free ride out of Oxford
station for the "This Is The Age Of The Train" adverts were you ? ;-)

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kim - 01 Dec 2006 03:11 GMT
> > For some reason I still remember the Evening Star as a sweet model and
> > also might still have a few Ages of Steam LPs in the attic.
>
> Bachmann have just released a brand new, state of the art 9F model.  It's a
> thing of rare beauty. The "Evening Star" version sold out very quickly
> indeed.

Not half as fast as "Black Prince" :o)

(kim)
Richard Brooks - 01 Dec 2006 09:22 GMT
kim said the following on 01/12/06 03:11:
>>> For some reason I still remember the Evening Star as a sweet model and
>>> also might still have a few Ages of Steam LPs in the attic.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> (kim)

But the real things all that one thing in common and a joy for any
youngster.  Moving parts!

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Gordon McLaughlin - 30 Nov 2006 22:16 GMT
Whilst we're dreaming, wouldn't it be nice if Airfix produced replacements
for some of their unique subjects?  I'd love to see a third attempt at the
Whirlwind fighter, a new Auster kit, a decent Gladiator, a new Centurion
tank, a new Harvard (ie not another T6), a decent Anson and so on.  An Antar
for the Centurion would be hard to resist.

An upgrading of some more recent kits to eliminate the more annoying faults
would also be welcome.  Soft skinned vehicles with the right wheels and,
perhaps, a range of different bodies available as separate kits.  The
Matador, though an old kit, would be nice with larger wheels, cab glazing
and a new 5.5" gun.

Unfortunately, I fear that the stash would finally outgrow the house.

Gordon McLaughlin

>> Enzo Matrix said the following on 30/11/06 10:53:
>>>>
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>
> I usually mither about that obsession on uk.rec.models.rail
Richard Brooks - 30 Nov 2006 23:55 GMT
Gordon McLaughlin said the following on 30/11/06 22:16:
> Whilst we're dreaming, wouldn't it be nice if Airfix produced replacements
> for some of their unique subjects?  I'd love to see a third attempt at the
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Unfortunately, I fear that the stash would finally outgrow the house.

The Matador would be a good one as it's been used in many guises.

Another simple idea would be to produce the scaffolding tower system
used for repairs and general maintenance. Great for aircraft repair
dioramas and relatively simple to produce.  It can even be cut into jack
cradles for wing and fuselage support.

Some of the ships could do with looking at, too!

Richard.

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