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Model Forum / General / Models / December 2006F-4 "what if" suggestion wanted
I'm going to be away from home for a month as from next Thursday, so I intended to get all my projects finished before then. Unfortunately, the MPM Meteor was such a fun build that I finished it way ahead of schedule. Now I have nothing to build! I spent today replacing the pitot tubes on the fins of my F-4s with metal ones and building a whole load of Sidewinder noddy caps out of the stems of Baby Buds (aka Q-Tips). But I still want to build something quick and simple. I have enough spare components to build a complete F-4 (taken from the old Hasegawa and Italeri kits). So, does anyone have a suggestion for a plausible "what if" scheme? Something that an F-4 *could* have worn, but never did. Not a natural metal scheme (which means no Canadian Voodoo replacements - that's a project for another time!), because I want to bang it out in about four days. Any suggestions?  SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. How about Ar Superiority Blue ala F-15 or the white & lt blue "sky & cloud" (since I don't know what it was really called) scheme seen on one F-16? > I'm going to be away from home for a month as from next Thursday, so I > intended to get all my projects finished before then. Unfortunately, the MPM [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Any suggestions? > How about Ar Superiority Blue ala F-15 or the white & lt blue "sky > & cloud" (since I don't know what it was really called) scheme seen on > one F-16? Ooh! He shoots! He *scores* ! That's it... an Air Superiority Blue scheme, complete with orange hi-vis panels. I even have some of those odd roundels that F-15s used. Thanks Frank. The story behind it is that it was a radar testbed in the F-15 programme. :-D SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. Woo hoo!! But, don't do the orange. Just the blue & 'low vis' markings. > > How about Ar Superiority Blue ala F-15 or the white & lt blue "sky > > & cloud" (since I don't know what it was really called) scheme seen on [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The story behind it is that it was a radar testbed in the F-15 programme. > :-D frank smirked: > Woo hoo!! But, don't do the orange. Just the blue & 'low vis' > markings. I'm fascinated by single colour overall schemes. They could easily be boring if you simply spray that single colour over everything. In order to make them look good you have to do some subtle shading of panels and panel lines. They are a challenge to do properly. Unfortunately I don't have the time to do that with this model, because it is supposed to be a quick and easy project. Therefore I'm going to use the orange to break up the scheme. Here's the story behind the aircraft. In the early 70s, three F-4E aircraft were converted to F-4T standard for use as flying test bed aircraft. They were in a strange mutant configuration. They were given the later slatted wing but without the wingtip ECM bulges. In order to provide a larger electronics bay, the F-4E nose was replaced by a recce nose with the recce windows plated over. The aircraft were delivered to Edwards AFB where they were painted overall white with red panels on the wings and fin. One aircraft was used to test various systems for the F-15 programme. When the F-15s joined the test programme, the F-4T was painted in the original F-15 scheme of air superiority blue with orange panels on the wings and tail. Should look good sat next to my RAF F-16K Falcon GR3. SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. I would like to see an F4 done up as a Navy trainer in the red / white scheme similar to the F9 Cougars. - or in the 1930's schemes of the Boeing F4B-4 / P-12E Jack G. > How about Ar Superiority Blue ala F-15 or the white & lt blue "sky > & cloud" (since I don't know what it was really called) scheme seen on [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> >> Any suggestions? - or in the 1930's schemes of the Boeing > F4B-4 / P-12E > > Jack G. This actually quite a fun idea. Some years ago I built both an F-80 and an F-84 in the "1930's scheme." If I recall correctly, the Shooting Star had an O.D. body with the yellow wings and the Thunderjet had a blue body with the yellow wings. The hardest part of the whole process was deciding what color to paint the wing tanks. With the "correct" insignia decals added - the star with the red center - they actually looked quite interesting. Unfortunately, they were lost in one of our moves...... Andy Always thought it would be fun to do a Martin B-57 up as a Martin B-10 in the Blue and Yellow scheme... Jack G. > - or in the 1930's schemes of the Boeing >> F4B-4 / P-12E [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Andy An RAF training scheme with lots of dayglo would suit the Phantom. Raspberry Ripple might also look good on it. Alternatively, the Aeronavale scheme worn by Etendard IVs might look nice. Gordon McLaughlin > I'm going to be away from home for a month as from next Thursday, so I > intended to get all my projects finished before then. Unfortunately, the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Any suggestions? > An RAF training scheme with lots of dayglo would suit the Phantom. > Raspberry Ripple might also look good on it. There actually *was* a Phantom FGR2 in the Raspberry Ripple scheme. I have a set of Modeldecals for it. I might consider putting one of my Fujimi kits in that scheme. See how easily manipulated I am? ;-) One scheme that I *do* have planned is the intermediate Air Defence scheme. As part of the trial for the AD scheme, one aircraft, XV418, was painted in the three-greys scheme, but it had large pale roundels, rather than the more usual small roundels. All the stencilling was in black as well. SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > which means no Canadian Voodoo replacements Why not? Our Voodoos spent their last years wearing a very light grey similar to Boeing #707 grey (which is also what the E3 Sentry wears). If you don't want to do that, you could use the scheme worn by CF-18s, or the very interesting pale blue-grey disruptive scheme that the CF-5s sported. If those options don't turn your crank, there's the overall dark green or the disruptive NATO green/grey that CF-104s wore in Europe. SignatureJessica >> which means no Canadian Voodoo replacements > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the overall dark green or the disruptive NATO green/grey that CF-104s > wore in Europe. OK... I have a bone to pick with Canada. STOP PUTTING YOUR MILITARY AIRCRAFT IN ATTRACTIVE COLOUR SCHEMES! It's just not right....! Firstly there are the natural metal CF-104s, with white wing upersurfaces and red tails. Then there are, as you say, the European schemes. The green/grey scheme is pretty much an RAF scheme, but it looks so good on a CF-104. The overall green scheme *should* be boring, but it isn't because of the subtle way that various panels faded and were repainted. That scheme is a challenge to replicate (I've recently done it in 1/72). Then of course, there are those wonderful schemes for Canadair Sabres, the CF-5 scheme that you mentioned and the post-war RCN scheme for Seafires and Sea Furies. They all look great. It's a conspiracy, I tell you! SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > They all look great. It's a conspiracy, I tell you! And I didn't even mention all the anniversary aircraft... A "Hawk One" Phantom? Hmmmmmmmm SignatureJessica Jessie C smirked: >> They all look great. It's a conspiracy, I tell you! > > And I didn't even mention all the anniversary aircraft... I don't do anniversary and other special markings. I much prefer ordinary line jets. SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > Jessie C smirked: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I don't do anniversary and other special markings. I much prefer ordinary > line jets. Me too. Signature- Rufus > > They all look great. It's a conspiracy, I tell you! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > Jessica Or a 'Red Indian' as on the CF-104. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> > They all look great. It's a conspiracy, I tell you! >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Or a 'Red Indian' as on the CF-104. Or a 439 tigerbird, or a 441 Checkerbird. Even the CF-18 scheme with the huge red maple leaf over the centre fuselage would look stunning on a rhino... SignatureJessica >>>which means no Canadian Voodoo replacements >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > CF-5 scheme that you mentioned and the post-war RCN scheme for Seafires and > Sea Furies. They all look great. It's a conspiracy, I tell you! In the words of one CF aircaft painter I know - "you never really know how BIG and airplane is until you have to paint it gloss white"... Signature- Rufus >>>> which means no Canadian Voodoo replacements >>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > In the words of one CF aircaft painter I know - "you never really know > how BIG and airplane is until you have to paint it gloss white"... LOL As I've said before, I think that a single colour overall paint scheme is quite challenging to reproduce convincingly. The darker colours are easier to do than the lighter colours. They become progressively more difficult as the colour gets lighter. I think an overall white scheme is the ultimate challenge. Over 20 years ago, I built a Matchbox Victor in the white anti-flash finish. It looked like a toy! In my Deep Stash I have two more Victors and an Airfix Vulcan. I also have an Airfix TSR2 in my Main Stash. I'm working up the courage to have another go at the white anti-flash scheme. The air superiority blue F-4 is looking good. I used Xtracrylix RLM65 Hellblau as the base colour. SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. >>>>>which means no Canadian Voodoo replacements >>>> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > The air superiority blue F-4 is looking good. I used Xtracrylix RLM65 > Hellblau as the base colour. My personal nemisis was the 1/72 AMT XB-70...that thing is HUGE. And I went the wrong route twice before I figured out that I needed to thin the paint vice thicken it to get proper coverage. Signature- Rufus Awhile back a gentleman from Oz did one of Airfix's Vulcans up in the white scheme for a contest. He did it very well too. I may have a copy of the picture he posted on abms in my "Others' Models" file. I 'think' he used Tamiya paint on it. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. They went to many NATO countries, why not do one from one of those that didn't get it, Norway, Denmark, Netherlands og maybe an F-4 Phantom in swedish splinter camo? SignatureClaus Gustafsen Strandby Denmark mail me at claus@gustafsen.nu See my modeling at www.gustafsen.nu > I'm going to be away from home for a month as from next Thursday, so I > intended to get all my projects finished before then. Unfortunately, the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Any suggestions? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeg beskyttes af den gratis SPAMfighter til privatbrugere. Den har indtil videre sparet mig for at få 2465 spam-mails Betalende brugere får ikke denne besked i deres e-mails. Hent en gratis SPAMfighter her. > They went to many NATO countries, why not do one from one of those > that didn't get it, Norway, Denmark, Netherlands og maybe an F-4 > Phantom in swedish splinter camo? I have to complete it by Wednesday, so the Swedish splinter cam is out. But an F-4 in that colour scheme would look absolutely stunning!!! Next time I do a "what if" F-4, it's going to be in that scheme! SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. How about as another "what if" an F-4 in Dannish colours... nice simple scheme as well. Gondor > How about as another "what if" an F-4 in Dannish colours... nice simple > scheme as well. > > Gondor Overall green? Lots of weathering opportunities there. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> How about as another "what if" an F-4 in Dannish colours... nice >> simple scheme as well. >> >> Gondor > > Overall green? Lots of weathering opportunities there. Exactly! As I've said before, I've found that an overall colour simply... well... isn't... it can be as challenging as any multicoloured scheme. SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > So, does anyone have a suggestion for a plausible "what if" scheme? > Something that an F-4 *could* have worn, but never did. Not a natural metal > scheme (which means no Canadian Voodoo replacements - that's a project for > another time!), because I want to bang it out in about four days. > > Any suggestions? Initially Deke Slayton looked at the F-4 for astronaut training, so you could do an F-4 like NASA paints their T-38s. Gene I know it's too late this time, but maybe for next time do a F-4 Phantom II in the markings of one of our on-agan, off-again "allies". Imagine an Iraqi F-4, a Nicaraguan or a Taiwanese? Or a captured example such as Russian, Chinese, etc. Tom > > So, does anyone have a suggestion for a plausible "what if" scheme? > > Something that an F-4 *could* have worn, but never did. Not a natural metal [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Gene |
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