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Model Forum / General / Models / February 2007So, What's with Insignia White?
just got the Trumpeter Panther - says to use Insignia white on leading edges, etc. How is it different from plain old flat white? Craig > just got the Trumpeter Panther - says to use Insignia white on leading > edges, etc. > > How is it different from plain old flat white? > > Craig ...it's gloss, for starters.  Signature- Rufus > c...@earthlink.net wrote: > > just got the Trumpeter Panther - says to use Insignia white on leading [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > - Rufus well that clears that part up! now did I read the instructions wrong? Some of the drawings makes it look like NMF, not white. Wassup? Craig >>c...@earthlink.net wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Craig All of the pictures of F9Fs that I've ever seen have been natural metal - not white - on the wing and tip tank leading edges. Doesn't mean some may not have been white, though...but I've never seen any that way. Signature- Rufus > c...@earthlink.net wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > -- > - Rufus- Is there such a thing as NMF in a rattle can? What comes close? Silver, aluminum??? Craig >>c...@earthlink.net wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Craig I like Testors Metalizer stainless steel in a rattle can. It's slightly darker than the aluminum shade, and I think it looks a bit more "natural". I prefer to use Metalizers from rattle cans only. Best way to use it is to spray it directly onto the bare plastic - not over other paint - because it's a laquer and will "bite" into the plastic. It's that "bite" that makes the next step work - polish it with light Scotchbrite - used purple or white sheet. Done right, you'll get a finish that looks like the back of a teaspoon, and you shouldn't need to put a clear coat over it. Then mask and paint your color line up to the leading edge. Note that it will tarnish over time, which only makes it look more "real", IMO. I did this on the leading edges of the wings on my 1/32 Tomcat and it looks killer. The color paint can even be chipped realistically along the edge of the masking and looks particularly nice that way in addition to any other weathing you might apply. Signature- Rufus Trumpeter must have bought stock in an "Insignia White" paint manufacturer! As others have pointed out, the wing, stabilizers and intake leading edges are not white, but a silvery, anti-erosion/corrosion paint. Trumpeter would also have you paint the landing gear legs and gear door interiors Insignia White. Go with Gloss Sea Blue instead. Similarly, they recommend Inginia White for the intake trunking. To my knowledge, that's bogus also - carry the same leading edge "Corroguard" silver paint back into the trunking. Kevin : Trumpeter would also have you paint the landing gear legs and gear door : interiors Insignia White. Go with Gloss Sea Blue instead. When did the flyboys change to white gear interiors, out of curiosity? After changing to white/grey planes? Bruce Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX. - Thuganlitha The Power and the Prophet Robert Don Hughes "Bruce Burden" <brucegb@realtime.net>> : > When did the flyboys change to white gear interiors, out > of curiosity? After changing to white/grey planes? That would be my marker, Bruce, although I can't say for certainty. Until recently, the US Navy seemed to have a penchant for one-stop painting of their aircraft undersides! Kevin > "Bruce Burden" <brucegb@realtime.net>> : > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Kevin I would think that it would be brighter to work on gear in those wheel wells. SignatureBill in Hamptonburgh, NY To email, delete the double zeroes after @ > "Bruce Burden" <bruc...@realtime.net>> : > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Kevin FWIW I was told by a relative who was a Naval Aviator that the change to white interiors for landing gear, wheel wells and some equipment bays was so hydraulic leakes would be easier to spot (Hydraulic Fluid=red color). This was deemed necessary when the aircraft all started to have power boosted controls and the number of hydraulic lines and systems multiplied. Bill Shuey >: Trumpeter would also have you paint the landing gear legs and gear door >: interiors Insignia White. Go with Gloss Sea Blue instead. >: > When did the flyboys change to white gear interiors, out > of curiosity? After changing to white/grey planes? Wheel-well interiors of most Panthers with the blue exterior were chromate green. White wheel-wells did not happen until the shift to grey/white scheme. The only blue interiors I know of were the Blue Angel birds. See Detail and Scale #15, page 15. Also have seen a few up close. All green. John Alger IPMS 10906 Charlotte Scale Modelers >> How is it different from plain old flat white? >...it's gloss, for starters. Insignia white is a shade - it can be gloss (FS17875), semi-gloss (FS27875) or flat (FS37875). As others have mentioned, this is probably an error on Trumpeter's part - the leading edges of Panthers were natural metal. Since most of the Panther photos are black and white, natural metal looks white in some lighting. It is possible a squadron painted theirs white, but not likely. There is one photo on page 38 of Bert Kinzey's D&S #15 on the panther of a blue leading edge and also the Blue Angels painted the leading edges blue. John Alger IPMS 10906 Charlotte Scale Modelers > just got the Trumpeter Panther - says to use Insignia white on leading > edges, etc. Is that actually correct? I was under the impression that the leading edges were natural metal. SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > >> just got the Trumpeter Panther - says to use Insignia white on leading [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Some may have had NMF, but the pics I've seen have white edges and white noses on the wing end tanks SignatureBill in Hamptonburgh, NY To email, delete the double zeroes after @ On Feb 27, 1:43 pm, "c...@earthlink.net" <c...@earthlink.net> wrote: > just got the Trumpeter Panther - says to use Insignia white on leading > edges, etc. > > How is it different from plain old flat white? > > Craig re: Panther wing leading edges. All my references say the wing leading edges and front of the wing tip tanks were a "corroguard" metallic finish due to the tendency of paints to strip off those surfaces and the bare metal then would corrode. Finish should be metallic, not white. I have a few pictures of early production -2s with no metallic leading edge paint so this must have ben introduced after the beginning of -2 production. Ex. Detail n' Scale, Vol. 15, the F9F-Panther" page 38. Bill Shuey > On Feb 27, 1:43 pm, "c...@earthlink.net" <c...@earthlink.net> wrote: >> just got the Trumpeter Panther - says to use Insignia white on leading [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Bill Shuey All my references say so, too. I've seen four F9F Panthers in my life, and all four were NMF leading edges and tank tips. The two blue F9F Cougars I saw had NMF leading edges, as well. Don H. |
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