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Model Forum / General / Models / March 2007Next up for Enzo
I haven't bought a new model steam engine in a while - I've been concentrating on F-4s and Spitfires! But this will be my next purchase. The new Hornby rebuilt Royal Scot. A thing of joy and wonder. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/Hornby/R2628.jpg  SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. >I haven't bought a new model steam engine in a while - I've been >concentrating on F-4s and Spitfires! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.rmweb.co.uk/Hornby/R2628.jpg Damn. Now I want one too. (And a Deltic. With Engine.) >> I haven't bought a new model steam engine in a while - I've been >> concentrating on F-4s and Spitfires! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > (And a Deltic. With Engine.) http://www.ehattons.com/StockDetail.aspx?SID=11526 SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. >>> I haven't bought a new model steam engine in a while - I've been >>> concentrating on F-4s and Spitfires! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > http://www.ehattons.com/StockDetail.aspx?SID=11526 If it weren't for the fact I'm going shopping for a new airbrush on Saturday, I'd be typing my credit card numbers into their website about now... > If it weren't for the fact I'm going shopping for a new airbrush on > Saturday, I'd be typing my credit card numbers into their website > about now... What airbrush are you getting? SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. >> If it weren't for the fact I'm going shopping for a new airbrush on >> Saturday, I'd be typing my credit card numbers into their website >> about now... > > What airbrush are you getting? I think I'll be going for the Iwata Revolution, can't remember the model number; it's the one that goes for around £100. > "Enzo Matrix" <enzo55@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> What airbrush are you getting? > > I think I'll be going for the Iwata Revolution, can't remember the model > number; it's the one that goes for around £100. I have an Iwata HP B, and love it. As long as you take care of the needle, you good to go. 16 psi. gets very very fine lines. SignatureAM http://sctuser.home.comcast.net >> If it weren't for the fact I'm going shopping for a new airbrush on >> Saturday, I'd be typing my credit card numbers into their website >> about now... > > What airbrush are you getting? Hopefully a safe one. ;-) WmB > >> If it weren't for the fact I'm going shopping for a new airbrush on > >> Saturday, I'd be typing my credit card numbers into their website [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > WmB One look at Enzo and you can tell what he was working on recently. ;) Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >>>> If it weren't for the fact I'm going shopping for a new airbrush on >>>> Saturday, I'd be typing my credit card numbers into their website [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > One look at Enzo and you can tell what he was working on recently. ;) OI !! :-D SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. >>> I haven't bought a new model steam engine in a while - I've been >>> concentrating on F-4s and Spitfires! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > http://www.ehattons.com/StockDetail.aspx?SID=11526 Nonono. Deltics should be two-tone green. http://www.railway-models.co.uk/1302_1_2147190.html >>>> I haven't bought a new model steam engine in a while - I've been >>>> concentrating on F-4s and Spitfires! [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >http://www.railway-models.co.uk/1302_1_2147190.html how can you get excited about a dinky little 4-6-0 or a diesel? gimmie a 4-6-6-4 as a start and then you start on a locomotive. > >>>> I haven't bought a new model steam engine in a while - I've been > >>>> concentrating on F-4s and Spitfires! [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > diesel? gimmie a 4-6-6-4 as a start and then you start on a > locomotive. Aw c'mon. I've never seen a Deltic live and I can get excited about them. :) Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >>>>>> I haven't bought a new model steam engine in a while - I've been >>>>>> concentrating on F-4s and Spitfires! [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Aw c'mon. I've never seen a Deltic live and I can get excited about > them. :) I remember seeing them in action when I was a kid. The could put out almost as much smoke as a steam engine. And *loud* ????!!!!!! SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. >> In article <4601bfd2$0$8716$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>, Alan Dicey > <alan@removethis.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. whatever boats your float. >>Aw c'mon. I've never seen a Deltic live and I can get excited about >>them. :) >> >>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. USA needs to have on on a tour! >>>Aw c'mon. I've never seen a Deltic live and I can get excited about >>>them. :) >>> >>>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > >USA needs to have on on a tour! a race with a challnger! >>>>>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >>> >>>USA needs to have on on a tour! >>> >>a race with a challnger! 300 tons no speed limits<g> That said a Deltic will shift 1000 ton of sleeper carriages at 90mph (were not allowed to do 100 with sleepers) >>>>>>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > That said a Deltic will shift 1000 ton of sleeper carriages at 90mph (were > not allowed to do 100 with sleepers) How fast did it go when one of the power packs failed, as they often did? (kim) >>How fast did it go when one of the power packs failed, as they often did? 100mph - just took longer >>>>>>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >That said a Deltic will shift 1000 ton of sleeper carriages at 90mph (were >not allowed to do 100 with sleepers) lumpy trackage or fear? >>lumpy trackage or fear? Noise I think, also got to give them time for a sleep. >>>lumpy trackage or fear? > >Noise I think, also got to give them time for a sleep. do you use the mono weld system for track noise? that's the way to make it virtually one rail with no weld seams. >>do you use the mono weld system for track noise? that's the >>way to make it virtually one rail with no weld seams. If that is Continuously Welded Rail - yes >>>do you use the mono weld system for track noise? that's the >>>way to make it virtually one rail with no weld seams. > >If that is Continuously Welded Rail - yes when i first encountered it on the northest corridor's boston to nyc, i was amazed, smooth, quiet, no bumps. i could actually read without that damned clickety click. if there was a good set coast to coast and it wasn't 4 times airline price to ride, they'd have something. > >>>do you use the mono weld system for track noise? that's the > >>>way to make it virtually one rail with no weld seams. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > if there was a good set coast to coast and it wasn't 4 times > airline price to ride, they'd have something. They have expanded it to Harrisburg. I no longer can hear that clickety-clack but I still get the horns and if I'm really lucky I can catch the sound of the engine. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. ...3 blocks from the tracks and can't see anything... >> In article <euda1a$7q4$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>, "Martin" > <spamspam@spam.spam> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >....3 blocks from the tracks and can't see anything... any nostalgia for the clackity disappears in about 1 second after the train starts. i can sleep on trains now. >>how can you get excited about a dinky little 4-6-0 or a >>diesel? gimmie a 4-6-6-4 as a start and then you start on a >>locomotive. Because all the best locos are British - mind you the Royal Scot is small compared to a King. A well known dinky little British 2 cylinder loco has been measured at 3000 rail horse power, not bad for 2 cylinder and our loading gauge plus no mechanical stoker. All the class 8 steam can put out over 3000 rail horse power, and have 3 figure cruising speeds. Deltic - well they should be worshiped<g> I would love to see the reaction to a 45 year old 100 ton loco with over 3000bhp and capable of over 120mph. Back in 1955 there were 3000bhp 2DD2 if over 200 tons in some parts of the world then along comes "DELTIC" 3300bhg and 100 tons. But then we have stagnated, ignoring the HST power cars the most capable passenger Diesels in the UK are still the 6 surviving production Deltics. >>> how can you get excited about a dinky little 4-6-0 or a >>> diesel? gimmie a 4-6-6-4 as a start and then you start on a [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > capable passenger Diesels in the UK are still the 6 surviving > production Deltics. To be honest, I blame Deltics for the dreadful situation that British Railways found themselves in during the 70s. The Deltic designers got it *just* right. Deltics worked. Full stop. Period. They were very powerful and hugely capable. On top of that, they were reliable. Sadly that led the members of the British Transport Commission into a false sense of security. Expecting all diesel designs to be as good as the Deltics, they pushed ahead with the 1955 Modernisation Plan and replaced a mature technology - steam traction - with an unproven one - diesel traction. They then found out - to their horror - that many of the new diesel designs simply were not up to scratch. Of course by that time it was too late, as the steam engines were all scrapped. It took years for British Rail to recover from that blow and then -just as BR *was* showing signs of recovery and was becoming reliable and profitable again - it got privatised! SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. >>>> how can you get excited about a dinky little 4-6-0 or a >>>> diesel? gimmie a 4-6-6-4 as a start and then you start on a [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >signs of recovery and was becoming reliable and profitable again - it got >privatised! the story of amyrak is a who's who of morons. it's a real horror story and was the death knell of passenger service in this country. i can't believe there is no passenger service to las vegas. i would hop on here and save gas and enjoy a wonderful desert ride. we have many morons in out rails, too. > To be honest, I blame Deltics for the dreadful situation that British > Railways found themselves in during the 70s. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. Sounds reminiscent of electric motors over here. The GG1 was so superlative that nothing else came close. Unfortunately, they aged and nothing was really ready to step up to the task. Amtrak thought they had a winner with the GE E60 but there were tracking problems with them and they are rapidly disappearing. In fact, I don't know if any are still in passenger service. The saviour was the little Swedish Rc4 which is built here under license. They're still perking along even though some of them are pushing past 30 years now. I have no idea what's under development to replace them, if anything. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> To be honest, I blame Deltics for the dreadful situation that British >> Railways found themselves in during the 70s. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. is that ge "evo" strictly a freight hauler? Someone asked: > is that ge "evo" strictly a freight hauler? Nope, unless you're thinking of the E60s in use on the Black Mesa & Lake Powell. Those are single cab units where the E60CP is a double-ender. BM&LP is a closed-loop coal line in Arizona and the units are 'captive'. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >Someone asked: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. i was thinking of the one discovery channel had a show on. it was supposed to be a breakthrough enfine with all sorts of new features. > >Someone asked: > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > it was supposed to be a breakthrough enfine with all sorts > of new features. Can't say as I didn't see the show. Darn them, waiting until I drop the upper channels to put something good on! Most new engines are computer controlled and the engineer has a relatively easier job than s/he used to. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> >Someone asked: >> > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. history channel has a cycle of three good steam train show and one good train accident show. > Sounds reminiscent of electric motors over here. The GG1 was so > superlative that nothing else came close. Unfortunately, they aged and > nothing was really ready to step up to the task. Amtrak thought they > had a winner with the GE E60 but there were tracking problems with them > and they are rapidly disappearing. In fact, I don't know if any are > still in passenger service. None of those, but look here for old electric http://trainweb.org/twerhs/iowatraction.html Daily switching by 1920's era Baldwin-Westinghouse catenary 600VDC Steeplecabs on the IATR I think these have the 'greybeard' award for old gear still in normal revenue service ** mike ** > > Sounds reminiscent of electric motors over here. The GG1 was so > > superlative that nothing else came close. Unfortunately, they aged and [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > mike > ** I think I just saved the published drawings for that little beastie. I was saving stuff out of my 40 years of Model Railroader and there were a couple small electrics over the years that they published plans for. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >>Sounds reminiscent of electric motors over here. The GG1 was so >>superlative that nothing else came close An interesting loco the GG1, looks unusual and quite big > >>Sounds reminiscent of electric motors over here. The GG1 was so > >>superlative that nothing else came close > > An interesting loco the GG1, looks unusual and quite big A quick check of a source quotes a length of 79.5 feet. For all the size of the thing the actual cabins were tiny, cramped and very basic. I couldn't stand up straight in one and I'm 6 feet tall. The front windshield is rather tiny and the view restricted to just what's in front and not too close to the engine. It was good to remember to check on the headend brakeman's location at all times when moving slowly. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >>>how can you get excited about a dinky little 4-6-0 or a >>>diesel? gimmie a 4-6-6-4 as a start and then you start on a [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >But then we have stagnated, ignoring the HST power cars the most capable >passenger Diesels in the UK are still the 6 surviving production Deltics. i know you guys have small, high powered locos for passenger but seeing a big boy or a challenger pull a 5 mile long coal train through the rockies is amazing. i'm sure that 2 of your 3k hp trains could pull that on level, but i suspect they might not have the weight for traction up steep grades. even the big americans slipped and slid at times. lots of wheel spin until they get moving well. those articulated monsters are just outright beautiful. >> know you guys have small, high powered locos for passenger >>but seeing a big boy or a challenger pull a 5 mile long coal [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>wheel spin until they get moving well. >>those articulated monsters are just outright beautiful. Well our best steam locos will manage 2200 tons on a slope. A 60 will manage around 4000ton, Brush designed it to exceed the specification >>> know you guys have small, high powered locos for passenger >>>but seeing a big boy or a challenger pull a 5 mile long coal [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >A 60 will manage around 4000ton, Brush designed it to exceed the >specification that's certainly respectable. i'm not trying to do the dumb american "we're better" thing, it's just we have some rougher turf to cross. a 5 mile coal train is a literally unforgettable sight. >>that's certainly respectable. >>i'm not trying to do the dumb american "we're better" thing, >>it's just we have some rougher turf to cross. a 5 mile coal >>train is a literally unforgettable sight. I know - your locos are a lot bigger in size than ours - despite same gauge. I am surprised you never tried Garretts - the Malletts are huge but I thought a Garrett would ride better. Compare say a Big Boy to a 9F the Big Boy would pull probably 3-4 times as much but how much does it weigh? That said the 9F 2-10-0 (our last steam loco and best steam freight design) can shift 2000 tons, but on passenger use has managed 90mph. I think that the class 8 passenger designs such as the Stanier Pacifics and the A4s are the machines which most impressed USA, they are smaller than the nearest equivalents, but no less performance. For Diesels we have 4 large locos which can be classed as good enough to be world standard. The smallest is the Class 43 also known as the HST power car or InterCity 125. 2250bhp, always found in pairs, running regularly around 125mph after 20 or so years. Next up is the 50 - English Electric with a 2700bhp V16, capable of some excellent performances, but was very good over the South Devon banks with heavy trains Then the Brush class 60, 3100 bhp, 50% Thermal efficiency, built to exceed the performance of a built for the UK version of the SD40. It did succeed but is a little unreliable. Finally the Deltics, definately one of the greatest locos of all time. The 4 greatest british Diesels regardless of performance are Deltic, HST, 08 shunter and class 37 > The 4 greatest british Diesels regardless of performance are Deltic, > HST, 08 shunter and class 37 I think that the Class 37s have got to be the most cost-effective diesel engines ever built for British Railways. SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. >> The 4 greatest british Diesels regardless of performance are Deltic, >> HST, 08 shunter and class 37 > >I think that the Class 37s have got to be the most cost-effective diesel >engines ever built for British Railways. how many gallons to the mile? >>how many gallons to the mile? No idea but heard somewhere an HST does about 3/4 mpg (1 1/2mpg per power car) >>> how many gallons to the mile? > > No idea but heard somewhere an HST does about 3/4 mpg (1 1/2mpg per power > car) Didn't I once read that a Sherman got 4 gals per mile? SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY >>>how many gallons to the mile? > >No idea but heard somewhere an HST does about 3/4 mpg (1 1/2mpg per power >car) that is pretty decent, actually. >>>that's certainly respectable. >>>i'm not trying to do the dumb american "we're better" thing, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Compare say a Big Boy to a 9F the Big Boy would pull probably 3-4 times as >much but how much does it weigh? i may be mixing up with the challenger, but i believe it's a bit ove 700,000 lbs. >That said the 9F 2-10-0 (our last steam loco and best steam freight design) >can shift 2000 tons, but on passenger use has managed 90mph. no one knows how fast the challenger can go. history channel says one reached 110mph but i would need a better source. i have a short video called the last of the giants i need to find. it has lots of stats. >I think that the class 8 passenger designs such as the Stanier Pacifics and >the A4s are the machines which most impressed USA, they are smaller than the >nearest equivalents, but no less performance. > >For Diesels we have 4 large locos which can be classed as good enough to be >world standard. no surprise to me. brit equipment has often been world class. >The smallest is the Class 43 also known as the HST power car or InterCity >125. 2250bhp, always found in pairs, running regularly around 125mph after >20 or so years. the places where we need high speed passenger are thos with the worst track for it. the northeast corridor has too many curves and too much frieght to allow super fast passenger. there are planes for that. if the government doesn't screw it up. >Next up is the 50 - English Electric with a 2700bhp V16, capable of some >excellent performances, but was very good over the South Devon banks with [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >The 4 greatest british Diesels regardless of performance are Deltic, HST, 08 >shunter and class 37 all new to me. i'm mostly a steam fan. with diesels and gas burners, when you hit the throttle, you get all it has at one shot. with steam you have to coax and finese the engine to perform. but they aren't terribly efficent. a big boy can burn enough coal in an hour to heat 2 homes for an entire winter. it's ok if coal is cheap. >>all new to me. i'm mostly a steam fan. with diesels and gas >>burners, when you hit the throttle, you get all it has at >>one shot. with steam you have to coax and finese the engine >>to perform. but they aren't terribly efficent. a big boy can >>burn enough coal in an hour to heat 2 homes for an entire >>winter. it's ok if coal is cheap. Look up Deltic and see what it says, not easy to drive well since too much throttle at low speeds would overload the transmission. Not really able to apply full power below 60, that said I have seen reports of rail horsepower of 3000 at 30mph while climbing Lickey with D9000/55022 Royal Scots Grey >>>all new to me. i'm mostly a steam fan. with diesels and gas >>>burners, when you hit the throttle, you get all it has at [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >of rail horsepower of 3000 at 30mph while climbing Lickey with D9000/55022 >Royal Scots Grey that's not to shabby. what kind of tranny? >>>Not really able to apply full power below 60, that said I have seen reports >>>of rail horsepower of 3000 at 30mph while climbing Lickey with D9000/55022 >>>Royal Scots Grey >>> >>that's not to shabby. what kind of tranny? Electric, 2 DC generators and 6 traction motors. Same traction motors as the 50s and I think 37s (37s are just over half the power of a Deltic). But then I have seen a 50 use full power at standstill and it dragged a brakes on Peak On Mar 22, 1:05 pm, some...@some.domain wrote: > In article <etubu3$ne9$2$8300d...@news.demon.co.uk>, "Martin" > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > wheel spin until they get moving well. > those articulated monsters are just outright beautiful. Not beautiful, but since Starting Tractive Effort was the real name of the game, you had ugly brutes like EJ&E big boxy Baldwins that had near the same S.T.E. as the big steamers with far less operating cost, for the Mother of all Centercabs, the Baldwin DT series for the early diesel era http://www.ejearchive.com/photos_william_e/01.jpg more info http://baldwindiesels.railfan.net/magazine-1946-4/index.html ** mike ** >On Mar 22, 1:05 pm, some...@some.domain wrote: >> In article <etubu3$ne9$2$8300d...@news.demon.co.uk>, "Martin" [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >mike >** great information, thanks! Wow! Baldwin center cabs! Thanks for the links. Baldwin, built in Eddystone, Pa. (South of Philadelphia) Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >>>> I haven't bought a new model steam engine in a while - I've been >>>> concentrating on F-4s and Spitfires! [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > http://www.railway-models.co.uk/1302_1_2147190.html I agree. However, that huge expanse of Rail Blue gives one a superb opportunity to show off one's weathering skills. SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > I haven't bought a new model steam engine in a while - I've been > concentrating on F-4s and Spitfires! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.rmweb.co.uk/Hornby/R2628.jpg That IS purty... Signature- Rufus > > I haven't bought a new model steam engine in a while - I've been > > concentrating on F-4s and Spitfires! [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > - Rufus Definitely droolworthy. In OO I assume? Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >>> I haven't bought a new model steam engine in a while - I've been >>> concentrating on F-4s and Spitfires! [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Definitely droolworthy. In OO I assume? Yep. Which means it has *built-in* inaccuracies! ;-) SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. >>>> I haven't bought a new model steam engine in a while - I've been >>>> concentrating on F-4s and Spitfires! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Yep. Which means it has *built-in* inaccuracies! ;-) Looks like I can have both an airbrush and a Deltic. Dapol have re released the Airfix OO kit for just £7.99. That could be a nice backburner project. In case anybody wonders why the fuss about Deltics, look here for a start: http://www.wis.co.uk/justin/deltic-engine.html >>>>> I haven't bought a new model steam engine in a while - I've been >>>>> concentrating on F-4s and Spitfires! [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > released the Airfix OO kit for just £7.99. That could be a nice > backburner project. Just remember that the Dapol/Airfix kit represents DP1, the Deltic prototype. There were significant differences between DP1 and the production English Electric Type 5 locos. SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. Ah, the Deltic -- only got to ride behind one once in 1979 ("The Fife and Forfar Yeomanry" - couldn't miss the big cast placard on the sides of that puppy!) Alas, the train was full of drunken Man United fans (hope that is not redundant) so not a great trip -- rode it from Sheffield to Bristol when they changed out the locomotive for a more prosaic one (Class 50/). My favorites are the GWR ones though -- shiny dark green with bright brass. Cookie Sewell >>Ah, the Deltic -- only got to ride behind one once in 1979 ("The Fife >>and Forfar Yeomanry" - couldn't miss the big cast placard on the sides >>of that puppy!) Alas, the train was full of drunken Man United fans >>(hope that is not redundant) so not a great trip -- rode it from >>Sheffield to Bristol when they changed out the locomotive for a more >>prosaic one (Class 50/). Don't knock the 50s - best thing after a Deltic, had some fantastic trips behind 50017 Royal Oak. A few were tweaked to raise output by 500bhp >>>Ah, the Deltic -- only got to ride behind one once in 1979 ("The Fife >>>and Forfar Yeomanry" - couldn't miss the big cast placard on the sides [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Don't knock the 50s - best thing after a Deltic, Wasn't DP2 the testbed for the 50? (kim) >>Wasn't DP2 the testbed for the 50? >> >>(kim) Yes and it is what the 50s should have been (and were after refurbishment) >>>>>> I haven't bought a new model steam engine in a while - I've been >>>>>> concentrating on F-4s and Spitfires! [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > prototype. There were significant differences between DP1 and the > production English Electric Type 5 locos. Yes, I know it's the prototype, but it looks like it could be brought up to the standard of a service loco with some work. I'll try and search one out this weekend, and when I look in the box, I'll know more. And no, I will definitely NOT be scratchbuilding a working Napier engine. >>>>>>> I haven't bought a new model steam engine in a while - I've been >>>>>>> concentrating on F-4s and Spitfires! [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > more. And no, I will definitely NOT be scratchbuilding a working > Napier engine. From what I remember, the production locos were appreciably longer than DP1. That means you will either need two kits to do a "cut and shut" or you'll need a lot of plasticard to build a body extension. SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. >>Yes, I know it's the prototype, but it looks like it could be brought up to >>the standard of a service loco with some work. I'll try and search one out >>this weekend, and when I look in the box, I'll know more. And no, I will >>definitely NOT be scratchbuilding a working Napier engine. Totally different body profiles - want cheap - Lima, want decent, Bachmann Fairbanks-Morse had an engine of similar design except theirs was a simple opposed set-up. They had some success with their own locos in the 1950s but one of the problems that made them less than popular with the maintenance crews was when the bottom pistons needed changing out. I still regret having sold all of my HO Trainmasters. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >>Fairbanks-Morse had an engine of similar design except theirs was a >>simple opposed set-up. They had some success with their own locos in >>the 1950s but one of the problems that made them less than popular with >>the maintenance crews was when the bottom pistons needed changing out. A simple single bank opposed piston design. > >>Fairbanks-Morse had an engine of similar design except theirs was a > >>simple opposed set-up. They had some success with their own locos in > >>the 1950s but one of the problems that made them less than popular with > >>the maintenance crews was when the bottom pistons needed changing out. > > A simple single bank opposed piston design. Yes. Where changing things on EMD designs only involved taking the heads off and replacing whatever, the F-M designs required lifting the whole engine out and doing the work then lifting it back in. Where Time=Money they failed the test. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >>> A simple single bank opposed piston design. >> >>Yes. Where changing things on EMD designs only involved taking the >>heads off and replacing whatever, the F-M designs required lifting the >>whole engine out and doing the work then lifting it back in. >>Where Time=Money they failed the test. Simple compared to triangular engines composed of three banks joined at their crankshafts > >>> A simple single bank opposed piston design. > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Simple compared to triangular engines composed of three banks joined at > their crankshafts Yes. Deltics would never have made it here. Maintenance costs would have doomed them. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> >>> A simple single bank opposed piston design. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. our rail companies seem to ride them hard and put then away wet. bnsf has some beat looking locos, in every livery the company has had for 50 years. >>our rail companies seem to ride them hard and put then away >>wet. bnsf has some beat looking locos, in every livery the >>company has had for 50 years. Hardest application is the High Speed Train They use what is called binary driving, two positions needed full power and idle. They are thrashed up to 125, then throttled down a little to maintain 125 then set to idle to brake to a station. The Paxman Valenta has survived 30 years of this! someone typed: > our rail companies seem to ride them hard and put then away > wet. bnsf has some beat looking locos, in every livery the > company has had for 50 years. Bet they don't have any of the Shouldn't Paint So Fast scheme anymore. :) [SP-SF, the proposed merger that didn't happen back in the '80s (also called the 'Kodak' scheme)] They aren't alone there as it is quite a shock to see the E44 down at the Strasburg museum. That is one clean shiny engine and it doesn't look 'natural'. I never saw one out on the road that wasn't flat and dirty. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >someone typed: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. no but there are plenty of pre bn merger locos around here. i like the old sf scheme a lot. some of the engines are really beat to sh.t, old scheme, rust, bare metal repairs, panels off other engines, panels with wildly different paint schemes. i'd swear they buy tin from defunct roads or at yard sales and don't care about the colors. i've seen red engines with a partial black and white panel, a yellow panel and different color doors on the sides and on the drivers cab. on one train with a bunch of auto haulers, there were 11 cars in a row and not one matched. it would appear that running in the desert and up and down cahon pass, anything goes and the philosophy is, it's all good. > >someone typed: > > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > running in the desert and up and down cahon pass, anything > goes and the philosophy is, it's all good. Reminds me of the early days of Conrail. They had six railroad's worth of units and they were all different colours. Of course with PC being the biggest outfit there were far more black units out there. We're back in black here as NS got this half of Conrail but there are still some rusty blue units around. They just have NS'd number blocks below the cabs. Amtrak had quite a parade going for awhile with all the different schemes they were running on the 'Blunt Bullets'. I suspect they were trying to find just the right scheme. The old scheme had begun to grow on me. The new one is kind of dull. I've got a shot of a GP they must have acquired from Kennecott Copper as it has a high ground clearance and I've seen them in the 2nd Diesel Spotter's Guide. They're now in Amtrak's silver and black maintenance scheme. Once in a while I see an F40PH hauling MOW trains. Hard to believe these are that old already. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> >someone typed: >> > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. at least we have neat stuff to look at. the ex-copper sounds cool. you wouldn't have a pic? > >> >someone typed: > >> > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > at least we have neat stuff to look at. the ex-copper sounds > cool. you wouldn't have a pic? Yep. I'll send you a copy. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. |
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