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Quickie Review: Jules' CD

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Mad-Modeller - 06 Jun 2007 07:20 GMT
I got my copy in yesterday's mail and have had a look at parts of
it.  There are very many pictures on this disc and the detail captured
is very clear on most I've looked at.  One can see just how crudely
Soviet air machinery was built.
   If you have any interest in MiGs, Sukhois and Mils and building
models of same, you really should get one of these discs.  I think it's
definitely worth it.
   I'm not sure but I think I saw Guidelines in the back of a couple of
photos.  There's also one pic with an Il-28 in the near distance.  I
hope it shows up in some of the pics I haven't gotten to yet.

Bill Banaszak
Stephen Tontoni - 06 Jun 2007 08:09 GMT
>     I got my copy in yesterday's mail and have had a look at parts of
> it.  There are very many pictures on this disc and the detail captured
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>
> Bill Banaszak

I'll also vouch for its very high quality; well done Jules.

---Stephen Tontoni
Jules - 06 Jun 2007 22:01 GMT
> >     I got my copy in yesterday's mail and have had a look at parts of
> > it.  There are very many pictures on this disc and the detail captured
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> ---Stephen Tontoni

Thanks, had a lot of fun taking in em!!!
I just need to start work on the 48th SU22 i have (and loads of 72nd!!)
Don McIntyre - 06 Jun 2007 14:40 GMT
>     I got my copy in yesterday's mail and have had a look at parts of
> it.  There are very many pictures on this disc and the detail captured
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>
> Bill Banaszak

I missed something, Bill. Which CD is that? Obviously Russian
aircraft...
Mad-Modeller - 07 Jun 2007 06:06 GMT
> >     I got my copy in yesterday's mail and have had a look at parts of
> > it.  There are very many pictures on this disc and the detail captured
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> I missed something, Bill. Which CD is that? Obviously Russian
> aircraft...

Most definitely.  Jules produced them himself after running the idea in
front of us here.  AFAIK, he took all the pictures himself whilst
touring eastern Germany and western Poland.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Jules - 07 Jun 2007 12:44 GMT
> > >     I got my copy in yesterday's mail and have had a look at parts of
> > > it.  There are very many pictures on this disc and the detail captured
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>
> Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

Yup i did, i had to visit old airbases and museum after museum, in the
sunshine filled sky, walking around Migs and Su's etc over and over.....
someone@some.domain.invalid - 07 Jun 2007 16:02 GMT
>> > >     I got my copy in yesterday's mail and have had a look at parts of
>> > > it.  There are very many pictures on this disc and the detail captured
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>Yup i did, i had to visit old airbases and museum after museum, in the
>sunshine filled sky, walking around Migs and Su's etc over and over.....

poor lad suffering for his work.
Jules - 06 Jun 2007 22:00 GMT
>     I got my copy in yesterday's mail and have had a look at parts of
> it.  There are very many pictures on this disc and the detail captured
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>
> Bill Banaszak
I walked and touched one of those!

I was low on batteries and memory on the cards so limited to what i could
take.

glad u like em, i did em as referance to model makers...and sold one from
here, to a guy in Devon, forget his name....

So thats 3 from here, only one was sold, one swopped for others and the one
for you for getting me the decals (to use on a SU22, which can i add, i took
some great walk around of 3 of em!!!!)

Cmon you guys, buy em, 5 quid deliverd UK, 7quid world wide
http://www.julianhales.co.uk/military_images_samples.htm

Im due to go back again in July and need to raise some cash for the fuel!!!
Bonehammer - 07 Jun 2007 08:14 GMT
>     I got my copy in yesterday's mail and have had a look at parts of
> it.  There are very many pictures on this disc and the detail captured
> is very clear on most I've looked at.  One can see just how crudely
> Soviet air machinery was built.

In museum specimens, I wonder how much of the 'crudeness' - if you
mean ill-fitting panels, lumps and bumps - is due to poor building and
how much to poor maintenance. A/cs in service, even when the paintwork
is in a state, have a smoother appeareance to my untrained eye.

One thing that I always found odd was the sheer number of air scoops
protruding from the intake/engine/avionics on these planes. On Western
aircrafts, these are usually of the recessed type - the ones looking
like half-funnels - and so they are on the L-39, but the Russians
apparently never used this configuration. One wonders whether
engineering has its fads too...

Ciao
Bone
Mad-Modeller - 08 Jun 2007 06:29 GMT
> In museum specimens, I wonder how much of the 'crudeness' - if you
> mean ill-fitting panels, lumps and bumps - is due to poor building and
> how much to poor maintenance. A/cs in service, even when the paintwork
> is in a state, have a smoother appeareance to my untrained eye.

I wondered that myself.  It's obvious on some that I've seen that
maintenance isn't high on the list.

> One thing that I always found odd was the sheer number of air scoops
> protruding from the intake/engine/avionics on these planes. On Western
> aircrafts, these are usually of the recessed type - the ones looking
> like half-funnels - and so they are on the L-39, but the Russians
> apparently never used this configuration. One wonders whether
> engineering has its fads too...

One of the most memorable features of the K-P MiG-19 is the rash of
small scoops to install around the tail.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Jules - 08 Jun 2007 13:27 GMT
> > In museum specimens, I wonder how much of the 'crudeness' - if you
> > mean ill-fitting panels, lumps and bumps - is due to poor building and
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> I wondered that myself.  It's obvious on some that I've seen that
> maintenance isn't high on the list.

Nothing being nex to a real Mig to get a good look, the Q symbol on many DDR
aircraft for quality....

> > One thing that I always found odd was the sheer number of air scoops
> > protruding from the intake/engine/avionics on these planes. On Western
> > aircrafts, these are usually of the recessed type - the ones looking
> > like half-funnels - and so they are on the L-39, but the Russians
> > apparently never used this configuration. One wonders whether
> > engineering has its fads too...

Walked around real L-39's  it didnt float my boat like a Mig21 or SU-22
did..

> One of the most memorable features of the K-P MiG-19 is the rash of
> small scoops to install around the tail.

yup, and you people, if you buy one of my DDR and Polish Aircraft and helo
cd's you will notice the size and non flush fitting of the rivets, panel
lines etc etc :-)

£5 post free UK, £7 world wide, paypal take for overseas sending

> Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
someone@some.domain.invalid - 08 Jun 2007 17:15 GMT
>> > In museum specimens, I wonder how much of the 'crudeness' - if you
>> > mean ill-fitting panels, lumps and bumps - is due to poor building and
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>
>> Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

engineers do have fads. like archtects and musicians.
remember the 60's when new buildings all had that
sh.t-a-brick look to then? or psychedelic music?
Mad-Modeller - 09 Jun 2007 06:06 GMT
someone plunked out:

> engineers do have fads. like archtects and musicians.
> remember the 60's when new buildings all had that
> sh.t-a-brick look to then? or psychedelic music?

New buildings had psychedelic music?  Can't recall that, but then I'm
here in the early 20th century.  Georgian architecture was all the rage
here in the '60s and '70s.  They even stripped all the art deco
decoration off a bank building downtown and gave it a faux Colonial
look.  5 storey buildings do NOT look right as Colonials.
The only art deco building left downtown is our 'skyscraper', the Greist
Building.  It's a whopping 12 storeys and can be seen from most areas of
the countryside.  Soon it'll be overshadowed by the convention
center/hotel that the powers have commanded to be built.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
someone@some.domain.invalid - 09 Jun 2007 06:06 GMT
>someone plunked out:
>
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>
>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

you're here in the 20th century? pass that bong over here,
bill.
i was thinking of industrial and commercial buildings.
 
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