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Why Aren't There More Figures Like This?

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crw59@earthlink.net - 13 Jun 2007 17:34 GMT
for around 50 years we have been stuck with pilots sitting in the
cockpit, staring straight ahead with their arms firmly fused to their
thighs.

As 1/32 is the common scale for large scale planes, ignoring this
niche makes no sense.  The figure poses, etc are endless,   Flight
crews, pilots waiving, injured, climbing in/out, walkaround, etc....

Wassup with this?

Craig

http://www.greatmodels.com/~smartcart/cgi/display.cgi?item_num=EE32100
Count DeMoney - 13 Jun 2007 20:13 GMT
Nice but a little expensive.  That's about $30 with freight for a 1/32
pilot figure (:<
crw59@earthlink.net - 13 Jun 2007 21:44 GMT
> Nice but a little expensive.  That's about $30 with freight for a 1/32
> pilot figure (:<

well I was thinking this would be a great place for Dragon to go. They
have done about all they can do with the super detailed 1/35 Germans.
I would not think twice about spending $10 or less for  the same kind
of 1/32 pilot/crew figures...

Craig
maiesm72@netscape.com - 13 Jun 2007 23:59 GMT
On Jun 13, 1:44 pm, "c...@earthlink.net" <c...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> > Nice but a little expensive.  That's about $30 with freight for a 1/32
> > pilot figure (:<
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>
> Craig

I still have a small supply of 1/32 scale seated USN WWII pilot
figures. These are cast metal figures done for IPMS Golden Gate as a
fundraiser by master figure modeler Terry Worster. They go for $5 plus
$2 postage/packaging (ie it covers the postage and my trip/time in the
line at the post office).

Anyone interested please drop me a line. The price is but a fraction
of the value and a small fund to get the chapter going again will
help.

Tom
Greg Heilers - 14 Jun 2007 01:02 GMT
> for around 50 years we have been stuck with pilots sitting in the
> cockpit, staring straight ahead with their arms firmly fused to their
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>
> http://www.greatmodels.com/~smartcart/cgi/display.cgi?item_num=EE32100

Don't forget the incredible series of 1/48th scale aircrew
figures, sculpted by that Grand-Master Mike Good (perhaps
the finest sculptor in the hobby):

http://jaguarmodels.com/148sf.htm

You can not see it in the photos...but on Mike's
WWI German figures...the tri-color cockades on the caps,
are actually painted in "tri-colors," with each
colored "ring" shaded and highlighted.

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The Old Man - 14 Jun 2007 12:37 GMT
On Jun 13, 12:34 pm, "c...@earthlink.net" <c...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> for around 50 years we have been stuck with pilots sitting in the
> cockpit, staring straight ahead with their arms firmly fused to their
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> http://www.greatmodels.com/~smartcart/cgi/display.cgi?item_num=EE32100

Didn't Preiser do a series of Luftwaffe pilots and flightcrew/
mechanics in various scales? I know that they were available in 1:72
and (I think) 1:48, but I seem to remember seeing some in 1:32 and
1:24 as well.
PaPaPeng - 14 Jun 2007 18:28 GMT
>for around 50 years we have been stuck with pilots sitting in the
>cockpit, staring straight ahead with their arms firmly fused to their
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>
>Craig

Market too small.  Most modellers don't even use the figures that come
in the box.  The problem is painting flesh and faces so that they look
reasonably believable.  A poorly painted figure posed with a well made
model just destroys the  model.
maiesm72@netscape.com - 14 Jun 2007 21:21 GMT
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:34:04 -0700, "c...@earthlink.net"
>
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> reasonably believable.  A poorly painted figure posed with a well made
> model just destroys the  model.

The market may not be as small as you think.

Since the first scale models (Skybirds) in the 1930s until today there
have been thousands of figures in all of the scales. In 1/72-1/76
we've databased 3,645 entries covering aircraft crew, military figures
and civilian figures. Many of these individual listings actually offer
several poses, so the actual count is much higher. Airfix, Preisser,
Revell, Hasegawa, Hat, ESCI and many more offer sets of as many as
fifty poses in a box.

Some of the offerings, especially those in aircraft kits, are just
simplified blobs, but a great many, especially, in sets, can be superb
replicas. You're right about flesh and faces, at least on a basic
level. However there are now paint sets specifically for flesh and
several published sources on how to do it. I use the Model Master skin
tone colors with good results. A good stand magnifier with a hands off
holder and a magnifier are musts.

One tip that has helped me a lot in doing figures: Get a small bench
vice and use it to hold the object. I have one that is about ten lbs.
and isn't too large. It doesn't even need to be attached to the work
bench as the ratio of weight to the weight of the object being painted
is just fine. Details may be done with a sharpened cocktail toothpick
as well as with ultra-fine brushes.

Current project: eight vignettes/small dioramas of Russian WWI/
Revolution figures. Five of these are cavalry. I hate doing horses,
but I'm happy with the results.

Try figures. They can be a lot of fun.

Tom
Mad-Modeller - 15 Jun 2007 06:12 GMT
I love doing horses.  If I didn't stop myself I'd build and paint all
the horses in my Airfix figure kits and get 'a round tuit' someday with
the humans.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
PaPaPeng - 15 Jun 2007 20:47 GMT
>Current project: eight vignettes/small dioramas of Russian WWI/
>Revolution figures. Five of these are cavalry. I hate doing horses,
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>
>Tom

I do love doing figures and my current interest is making armor
dioramas.  My quick and dirty way of doing faces and flesh is to paint
the basic Tamiya flesh.  This color makes the flesh look like old
style clothing store dummies, does the job but still a dummy.  The
trick is then to give it a wash with thinned Tamiya red-brown.  I
happened to use a bottle that had semi-dried feckles and the flesh
came up with neat little spots like a what a tough soldier's skin
would have  as compared to the baby smooth skin of a pretty lass.  Add
a bit of acrylic extender (available from artists supplies stores) to
the thinned wash.  This makes the wash less runny and yet thin enough
to flow into the molded crevices (eyes, mouth, cheek folds, between
finger grooves) just enough to bring out the details.   If the
red-brown wash is overdone drybrush with white.  I prefer my method
with results that looks like a face from a full figure photo, namely a
good overall impression without the need to be able to count his
teeth.  I can do a figure (face and flesh details) in 10 minutes or
less.  

The human brain is programmed to fill in missing details.  Therefore
with enough form and shadows to suggest a face our brain makes up the
rest of the details.  One can get away with a lot of short cuts and
"mistakes" look like skilful rendering of a painter's art.  This also
applies to painting the clothing and the equipment.   It takes way too
much time and effort to paint figures to the level of photographic
detail.

============================
I love doing horses.  If I didn't stop myself I'd build and paint all
the horses in my Airfix figure kits and get 'a round tuit' someday
with the humans.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

I don't know if you caught a post I made about SLUDGE an acrylic
paste.  http://tri-art.ca/en/products/sludge/  
[How is it made?
SLUDGE is made through a process of flocculation, separation,
pressing, filtration, re-dispersion, production and packaging.

100% of water used in the factory for clean-up processes goes into a
waste pit and is then pumped into a storage tank. The water is
chemically processed every two weeks by flocculating the washwater.
The accumulated solids sink to the bottom of the tank (1). The clear
water is then siphoned off and re-introduced into the plumbing system
and used for cleaning. The remaining semisolid material is then pumped
into a filter press (2) that compresses it at 9000 psi into what is
called press cake. These cakes are then broken up and re-disperse into
water to form an aqueous dispersion. The aqueous dispersion is
re-filtered and is introduced into thick and thin acrylic paint bases.
The resulting SLUDGE is then packaged, labeled and is ready for use.]

I hated the plastic horse's tail and mane because no matter how well I
did the rest these two items still look plastic.  With sludge you
should able to attach nylon fibers to simulate long horse hair that
looks relastic.  Suitable nylon fibers are available from the Dollar
Stores and the craft stores (for doll's wigs)

I did this for the a.s in Tamiya's farm animals kit.  Looks great. The
mane is stiff upright and the tail looks convincing.  For a fine steed
the mane will need to flow and flop to one side and the tail should
have a nice sweep.    Maybe you can experiment with (preforming?) the
nylon fibers with a hot air dryer first.  I haven't tried this yet as
I don't have a new horse model project.  The old Tamiya German rider
on a horse was done long ago and I am not about to take it apart to do
a retrofit.

Stretch a suitable sized bundle of nylon fibers on a strip of wood or
something and apply SLUDGE to the middle of the bundle to hold the
fibers.  When dry cut it at this glue blob and this forms the root of
the horse's tail.  Of course remove the molded plastic tail, make a
small pit, daub SLUDGE in the pit and the root of the tail  and
attach.  SLUDGE is used to blend the tail to the horse's rump.

The mane is made in a similar way.  Spread out the nylon fibers to
wider than the length of the mane on the model.  When dry trim to size
and attach to the nape.  After removing the plastic mane carve a
groove on the nape to receive the nylon fiber mane.
Modeler ET - 15 Jun 2007 11:38 GMT
On Jun 13, 12:34 pm, "c...@earthlink.net" <c...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> for around 50 years we have been stuck with pilots sitting in the
> cockpit, staring straight ahead with their arms firmly fused to their
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> http://www.greatmodels.com/~smartcart/cgi/display.cgi?item_num=EE32100

I'd like to see more seated figures in 1/72.  I build my models
"wheels up" and hang them from the ceiling, so seated figures are
essential to my projects. The Monogram A-10, F-105, Tornado, and F-4
figures from the '80s are outstanding.  Hasegawa, Fujimi, Airfix, and
others also make some good seated figures from all eras. I wish they
would sell sets of 10 -20 seated figures.

Ed
Enzo Matrix - 15 Jun 2007 13:39 GMT
> On Jun 13, 12:34 pm, "c...@earthlink.net" <c...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> for around 50 years we have been stuck with pilots sitting in the
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> others also make some good seated figures from all eras. I wish they
> would sell sets of 10 -20 seated figures.

On the other hand, my experience of military aircraft is that they spend
most of their time sat on the deck, canopies and panels open, flaps and
airbrakes drooping - usually with a crowd of blokes stood round it
scratching their heads and muttering "Wot the bluddy hell is wrong wiv it
*now* ?"

So that's how I build 'em.  :-)

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Enzo

I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

tomcervo - 15 Jun 2007 16:05 GMT
> I'd like to see more seated figures in 1/72.  I build my models
> "wheels up" and hang them from the ceiling, so seated figures are
> essential to my projects. The Monogram A-10, F-105, Tornado, and F-4
> figures from the '80s are outstanding.  

I read one book which cited the Mono A-10 pilot figure as being in
perfect proportion to a real suited-up pilot--to be used as the
standard for others, or sizing up a seat.
 
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