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Model Forum / General / Models / July 2007StuG III G History Question
Hi, So a couple of firsts: My first groups post and my first serious model and I have a few questions. I purchases a Tamiya 1/35 StuG III G kit (#35197) and have been looking around to find where abouts this version of the tank would have been seen in combat. The tank is mentioned in N. Africa and the battle of Stalingrad but I'm not entirely sure it would be the G. I'm curious because I would like to paint the camouflage accurately to where it would have been seen in combat. This will also help me find out what tank(s) it would have fought against for my next project. Thanks for the help, Dave > Hi, > So a couple of firsts: My first groups post and my first serious model [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > where it would have been seen in combat. This will also help me find > out what tank(s) it would have fought against for my next project. The "G" model entered production in December, 1942, so the presence of any Gs at Stalingrad is unlikely. North Africa is more possible but only slightly so. Cheers, > The "G" model entered production in December, 1942, so the presence of > any Gs at Stalingrad is unlikely. North Africa is more possible but only > slightly so. > > Cheers, Finally found some information. The StuG III G is specifically mentioned in the Battle of Tali-Ihantala (June 25 to July 9, 1944). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tali-Ihantala Now that I know when and where I'd like to find out how they may have been painted and which Russian tanks they would have fought. Dave > > The "G" model entered production in December, 1942, so the presence of > > any Gs at Stalingrad is unlikely. North Africa is more possible but only [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Dave This works out nicely as I have two questions to expand the discussion of late Stug III. 1) How many Axis countries used them. 2) Did they all have zimmerit from the factory, even those going to Axis partners? 3) How is this pattern best modeled in 1/35 scale? 4) Is it plausible to ,model the pattern on small scale kits?. Finally expanding the original post in terms of modeling them, How many marking are out there for Stug III variants from places such as Archer's transfers? I supppose if one include generic unit markings and numbers every operational area can be represented? Nice to see this Stug III thread. Big Al cherer > > > The "G" model entered production in December, 1942, so the presence of > > > any Gs at Stalingrad is unlikely. North Africa is more possible but only [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Big Al cherer In response to Q.2 I first had to look up what Zimmerit was but I found this link discussing factory application of it on tanks in late 1943. http://www.panzerworld.net/zimmerit.html It also has a nice pattern example. As far as applying it to a 1/35 scale model I wouldn't have a clue being a beginner modeler. > > > The "G" model entered production in December, 1942, so the presence of > > > any Gs at Stalingrad is unlikely. North Africa is more possible but only [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Big Al cherer First I had to look up what Zimmerit was but I found a nice link that talks about factory application of it to tanks in late 1943. http://www.panzerworld.net/zimmerit.html It also has a nice pattern sample. As far as the feasibility and method of applying it to a 1/35 scale model I'm not sure as I'm still a beginner. Dave > > > The "G" model entered production in December, 1942, so the presence of > > > any Gs at Stalingrad is unlikely. North Africa is more possible but only [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Big Al cherer I found some Zimmerit in a .pdf catalog from http://squadron.com/ It is in the 17-32 pg file and on the last page top left Dave > > > > The "G" model entered production in December, 1942, so the presence of > > > > any Gs at Stalingrad is unlikely. North Africa is more possible but only [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Dave Also just learned about the StuH 42 that was also used in the Battle of Tali-Ihantala (June 25 to July 9, 1944). and how it is simply the StuG III F/G with a different main gun and an after market part can be found here http://www.internethobbies.com/jrr-43.html to accomplish the look if anyone besides myself is looking for such details. Dave Not sure why you've fixated on one obscure battle in Finland. In any event, the Tamiya kit already includes a 105 mm howitzer as an alternate part. The conversion you showed would require the addition of a bullet deflector for the front of the commander's cupola as well as other 1944 features. Dragon also offers a full kit of the 105 mm version with all late features in the box. > > > > > The "G" model entered production in December, 1942, so the presence of > > > > > any Gs at Stalingrad is unlikely. North Africa is more possible but only [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Dave >Not sure why you've fixated on one obscure battle in Finland. Hey! Watch out what you are saying! The "obscure" battle of yours decided the fate of a whole nation for the rest of the century! See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tali-Ihantala Ok, I admit that the battle was not _that_ big in the Eastern Front standards, 200 000 troops in all on both sides. It is not a bad choice for a model, though. The Finnish StuGs are pretty well documented (see e.g. http://www.andreaslarka.net/assaultguns.html ) and the paint scheme is quite different from any German more commonly seen on models. Mikko On Jul 2, 12:47 pm, Mikko Pietil? <mikko.nospamm.piet...@saunalahti.nospamm.fi> wrote: > >Not sure why you've fixated on one obscure battle in Finland. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Mikko Thanks for the link! Sturmgeschutz III Ausf. G saw combat with German Sturmartillerie battalions on all fronts. Your variant was too late for Africa, but was used in Italy, as well as the eastern and western fronts. There was an incremental improvement of the design over the next two years, but occasionally, unmodified 1943 variants turn up in photos from 1945. There are numerous inexpensive reference books on the vehicle, like the Osprey New Vanguard and Squadron "In Action" titles, which include full color camouflage and markings for a selection of vehicles. Gerald Owens > Hi, > So a couple of firsts: My first groups post and my first serious model [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Thanks for the help, > Dave |
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