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Washing over Tamiya with Tamiya

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Maciek - 29 Jun 2007 08:54 GMT
Hello,
I have a problem.
I am trying to wash over Tamiya base colour.
When I use water - the wash doesn't 'stick' well - and water creates drops.
When I use Tamiya original solvent - the wash is great but it damages
slightly base colour.
When I use water with dishwashing liquid - the wash is ok.

Would using Cidatel Colors Inks be better? Can I use Tamiya solvent with
them? Or water with dishwashing liquid?

Maciek
Disco58 - 01 Jul 2007 19:39 GMT
<<I am trying to wash over Tamiya base colour.
When I use water - the wash doesn't 'stick' well - and water creates
drops.
When I use Tamiya original solvent - the wash is great but it damages
slightly base colour.
When I use water with dishwashing liquid - the wash is ok.>>

The Tamiya solvent affects the base color because it's just that, a
'solvent'.  One solution might be to let the basecoat cure for a week or
so.  On the other hand, you're having success with the dishsoap route so
why change?  The reason this works and the plain water doesn't is that the
soap breaks down the surface tension of the water and lets it flow out and
stick to the surfaces.  That in a nutshell is why some us put a drop or
two into acrylic paint.

<<Would using Cidatel Colors Inks be better? Can I use Tamiya solvent with

them? Or water with dishwashing liquid?>>

I can't help with that one as I'm completely unfamiliar with Citadel inks.
However, it goes back to the dishwashing liquid, in that you've found a
solution, so I'd suggest use it.  Don't get locked into a mindset of
having to use Tamiya solvent for a wash.  There's a saying here in the
States--"If it works it ain't broke, and if it aint' broke don't fix it"!
Maciek - 03 Jul 2007 07:21 GMT
> The Tamiya solvent affects the base color because it's just that, a
> 'solvent'.  One solution might be to let the basecoat cure for a week or
> so.  On the other hand, you're having success with the dishsoap route so
> why change?

Well actually the 'solvent' official name is thinner - so it's purpuse to
thin the paint.
Sorry for using solvent name.

The soap solution - The success is limited :/
The soap sometimes makes bubbles in the paint and also when the paint dries
it has a more-glossy look.
I also tries Citadel Colors Ink yesterday - same problem. It has to be
thinned.
I will use water with small amount of dishsoap :) I have to be gentle to not
produce bubbles :)

Thanks
Maciek
Arc - 03 Jul 2007 12:31 GMT
> Hello,
> I have a problem.
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>
> Maciek

Just a few suggestions that i have found work well, (1)  use Windex
window cleaner  instead of tamiya thinner, much cheaper.
(2) spray the whole model with the windex before you try to attempt a
wash, it makes so the wash flows into the places where it is meant to
go.
(3) The original painting should have been dry for at least 48 hours.
(4)A good wash colour is a very slightly darker version of the
original only much much thinned, then a darker version , then a darker
version.
(5) then some great dry brushing , after the wash is well and truely
dry, probably dry brushing about 5 layers of lighter grades of
colour .and away you go.
                         Best of luck, hey try and buy some really
cheap old mdels to practice on.Arc
PaPaPeng - 03 Jul 2007 17:23 GMT
>Hello,
>I have a problem.
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>
>Maciek

What you need is a binder in the water diluted color wash.  Try adding
Future Wax [or acrylic extender/retarder] to the solution.
Dan - 05 Jul 2007 21:26 GMT
> >Hello,
> >I have a problem.
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> What you need is a binder in the water diluted color wash.  Try adding
> Future Wax [or acrylic extender/retarder] to the solution.

I use Denatured Alchol. I haven't had any problems. I seal my paint
jobs with dul-coat let that dry and then i can wash without the top
layer affecting the base coat.

Dan
 
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