Does anyone have any hints on getting good coverage of yellow paint? I
am so sick of having to paint... and paint... and paint to get good
coverage.
Lance
Enzo Matrix - 22 Jul 2007 09:10 GMT
> Does anyone have any hints on getting good coverage of yellow paint? I
> am so sick of having to paint... and paint... and paint to get good
> coverage.
Mask off the area to be painted yellow and spray a base coat of a light
grey, which should give you the coverage you need.. Then spray successive
thin coats of yellow over the top. Don't be tempted into putting lots of
yellow on, because it will only run. Just be patient and build up the yellow
gradually.

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Pat Flannery - 22 Jul 2007 19:27 GMT
> Mask off the area to be painted yellow and spray a base coat of a light
> grey, which should give you the coverage you need.. Then spray successive
> thin coats of yellow over the top. Don't be tempted into putting lots of
> yellow on, because it will only run. Just be patient and build up the yellow
> gradually.
>
I've found acrylic yellows that have good coverage, but a enamel yellow
that covers well in one coat over anything other than white is something
I've been searching for for decades.
Pat
Mick - 22 Jul 2007 11:02 GMT
A white undercoat works well and then use thin layers of yellow until it
looks right. That's what I do.
> Does anyone have any hints on getting good coverage of yellow paint? I
> am so sick of having to paint... and paint... and paint to get good
> coverage.
>
> Lance
Ant Phillips - 22 Jul 2007 18:18 GMT
I always use a white undercoat for yellow and red paints as they usually
seem to be transluscent, alternatively if its a gloss yellow finish your
trying to get, then use a matt finish paint first as they tend to cover
better and then use a gloss yellow for the final coat.
Happy modelling
Ant
>A white undercoat works well and then use thin layers of yellow until it
> looks right. That's what I do.
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>> Lance
Ron Smith - 22 Jul 2007 18:55 GMT
Shoot it over flat white primer.
> Does anyone have any hints on getting good coverage of yellow paint? I
> am so sick of having to paint... and paint... and paint to get good
> coverage.
>
> Lance
Pat Flannery - 22 Jul 2007 18:56 GMT
> Does anyone have any hints on getting good coverage of yellow paint? I
> am so sick of having to paint... and paint... and paint to get good
> coverage.
>
White undercoat before painting on the yellow?
Pat
Bluepen - 22 Jul 2007 19:46 GMT
Thanks... was talking about brushing on... but will try the
suggestions...
>> Does anyone have any hints on getting good coverage of yellow paint? I
>> am so sick of having to paint... and paint... and paint to get good
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>Pat
Bob B - 22 Jul 2007 20:26 GMT
It is very difficult to brush paint white, yellow, and clear colors
Best to airbrush to get an even coat over the primers the group have
suggested.
For very small areas, acrylic colors available at craft stores can do a
decent job in picking out gages, tubing, formation or i.d. lights.
Humbrol if mixed really well will do a good job as well as White Ensign
HTH
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> Thanks... was talking about brushing on... but will try the
> suggestions...
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>>Pat
PaPaPeng - 22 Jul 2007 20:54 GMT
>Thanks... was talking about brushing on... but will try the
>suggestions...
I would use artists' tube acrylics. This type of paint doesn't run,
its thick, and after brushing on it shrinks to give a skin tight
smooth finish. For a large surface such as a fuselage the only
solution is the undercoat followed by spray. I'd use black for the
undercoat.
The Collector - 23 Jul 2007 20:29 GMT
> Thanks... was talking about brushing on... but will try the
> suggestions...
Don't give up yet!
The first section in Squadron/Signal's "Applied Modeling Encyclopedia"
shows a build of Revell's ancient 1/72 Polikarpov I-16 which is
entirely hand painted in Spanish Civil War colors. The photos show a
brush application of yellow, purple, and red stripes over a green base
color and they look TERRIBLE in the first photo. However, as
successive coats are applied, the colors take hold and become opaque.
I actually duplicated this build with an old Revell I-16, only I
applied the kit's original Russian colors, which includes some yellow,
by hand brushing Humbrol enamels. The first coats of all of the
colors (base and trim) looked really bad and streaked. However, after
applying a second or more coats (allowing at least 24 hours drying
time between coats) the colors started to really look good and solid.
So good, that some folks at the IPMS meeting I brought it to didn't
believe it was entirely brush painted.
So the key thing with brush painting yellow is to apply a number of
coats making sure that the previous coat is completely dry. Some folks
also swear that by using red sable bristle brushes, you can reduce
brush marks.
BTW: Squadron/Signal's "Applied Modeling Encyclopedia" is a
*fantastic* reference for boosting your modeling skills. There are
three different volumes that cover aircraft, armor, and dioramas.
This book was recommended to me by someone in our IPMS chapter who has
won "Best Of Show" at IPMS Nats more than once. He said he read this
book and the rest is history.
Martin
Randy Pavatte - 28 Jul 2007 14:43 GMT
I paint figures, and when there's something yellow to be painted I found
a trick that has worked so far.
Yellow, like white, is a difficult color to brush on. I think maybe its
because these colors are much thinner than other colors, so most times
multiple coatings are required.
The yellow I use is simple Testors #1169 Flat Yellow mixed with some
Model Master #1735 Wood. The MM Wood is a tan shade, but when the two
are mixed together the yellow is dominant. The benefit is the MM Wood
adds some extra thickness to the yellow, which in most cases has allowed
me to apply with just one coat. Later, if I want, I can brush a light
coat of straight yellow to lighten the shade, but the results have been
very satisfying so far.
Not sure if this would work for larger areas, but you might try it.
Randy
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Rufus - 23 Jul 2007 01:55 GMT
> Does anyone have any hints on getting good coverage of yellow paint? I
> am so sick of having to paint... and paint... and paint to get good
> coverage.
>
> Lance
Undercoat with white first, then spray yellow over it.

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Martin - 24 Jul 2007 15:17 GMT
Well know in model railways - white undercoat - all those yellow ended
Diesels
bluumule - 24 Jul 2007 21:12 GMT
Starting with a uniform color for a base is essential. Using a primer
such as aluminum, flat white or light gray to cover any putties or
fillers that you might have used. Since yellow tends to be
translucent; depending on what shade of yellow you are doing, a light
color like flat white for a lemon yellow would be good. For a darker
yellow a mixture of the yellow you are using as your final color mixed
with a couple of drops of red brown and several drops of flat white.
This helps give you a base with little to no transparency so your
final color coat of yellow will cover evenly and vividly. Here is a
link to photos of an all yellow P-51 build in progress
http://hawkeyeshobbies.com/gallery1/ go to page four.
Moramarth - 25 Jul 2007 19:00 GMT
> Does anyone have any hints on getting good coverage of yellow paint? I
> am so sick of having to paint... and paint... and paint to get good
> coverage.
Things may be looking up in this area. Games Workshop have just
released a new range of acrylic colours: "Citadel Foundation Paints".
As the name suggests, these are intended to provide the base for the
standard Citadel paints, which aren't renowned for their covering
capacity. There are eighteen rather muted shades in the range, one of
these "Iyanden Darksun" is a mustard colour which is intended for use
under brighter yellows.
The thing about the Foundation Paints is they are claimed to cover
completely in one coat, even over black primer. I haven't had the
opportunity to test this myself, but comments on the Warhammer n.g.
suggest the claim is well founded, with complete coverage claimed even
when diluted half-and-half with water.
The Games Workshop Foundation Paint seems to be one of a family of new
"liquid pigment" acrylics; I believe at least one other manufacturer
("PP"?) has a range.
Games Workshop Paints are intended for brushing, which probably suits
them to your needs: I have used the standard range both over and under
a variety of other manufacturers acrylics before.
Regards,
> Lance
Moramarth
crw59@earthlink.net - 31 Jul 2007 18:26 GMT
> Does anyone have any hints on getting good coverage of yellow paint? I
> am so sick of having to paint... and paint... and paint to get good
> coverage.
>
> Lance
still not sure how to get the yellow decals to look good over blue
angel blue... how does one get opaque yellow decals over dark blue?
Craig
Enzo Matrix - 31 Jul 2007 22:13 GMT
>> Does anyone have any hints on getting good coverage of yellow paint?
>> I am so sick of having to paint... and paint... and paint to get good
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> still not sure how to get the yellow decals to look good over blue
> angel blue... how does one get opaque yellow decals over dark blue?
Buy two sets and apply one over the other? ;-)

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Bruce Probst - 01 Aug 2007 00:04 GMT
On Aug 1, 3:26 am, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> still not sure how to get the yellow decals to look good over blue
> angel blue... how does one get opaque yellow decals over dark blue?
Mask off the area where the decal will go before painting the blue, so
that only a light-coloured undercoat lies directly under the decal?
Of course the more complex the outline of the decal, the harder this
will be ... but it should work well enough for a basic roundel or
rectangular shape.
Bruce
Melbourne, Australia
Pat Flannery - 01 Aug 2007 02:00 GMT
> still not sure how to get the yellow decals to look good over blue
> angel blue... how does one get opaque yellow decals over dark blue?
>
I wonder if you could scan the decal, transfer the scan onto a sheet of
white decal material via a printer, and then cut out a white "under
decal" that would be applied first, with the yellow decal applied over it?
That's basically how quality decal manufactures do it; by printing the
decal in white, and then printing the yellow over the white.
Pat
Rufus - 01 Aug 2007 04:30 GMT
>>Does anyone have any hints on getting good coverage of yellow paint? I
>>am so sick of having to paint... and paint... and paint to get good
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> Craig
1) double them up - use two sets.
2) paint white underneath.
3) buy Yellowhammer BA decals.

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crw59@earthlink.net - 01 Aug 2007 23:16 GMT
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well double decals would probably do it, but they cost more than the
Revell BA kits I have. I have not taken cursive since 1967 and I am
not about to start again with white paint on a model.
The BA kits have been around for 40 plus years. What did you real old
timers do with just one set of decals (way, way back in the day when
this hobby was not so anal about everything....)
Craig
someone@some.domain - 02 Aug 2007 02:17 GMT
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>Craig
we used them. they were 5" thick and kicked their way down onto the plastic.