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I got an SR-71, USS Arizona, an SBD Daunless and a A-10 Warthog yesterday at the local Wally World... Lots of good modeling time. The SR-71 is together and the Dauntless is close... Lance Ketchikan, Alaska > I got an SR-71, USS Arizona, an SBD Daunless and a A-10 Warthog > yesterday at the local Wally World... Lots of good modeling time. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Lance > Ketchikan, Alaska Hmmmm You did that much in a day. Must be raining in Ketchikan again. Oh, I forgot, it always rains in Ketchikan. I visited your fine city Thursday as well as Wrangell, Petersburg, Skagway, Juneau, Sitka, Tracy Arm, and Glacier Bay. It was a great trip. One of those you never forget (:> >I got an SR-71, USS Arizona, an SBD Daunless and a A-10 Warthog >yesterday at the local Wally World... Lots of good modeling time. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Lance >Ketchikan, Alaska must be a decent wallys. this town could support a mega supper wally but do we have one? it's the only large store in this one whore's town and man does it need an upgrade. shitstain arkansas. has a bigger one. On Jul 27, 10:21 am, some...@some.domain wrote: > In article <5evia3596qaog47phk1nh4npj5ibn22...@4ax.com>, Bluepen <lme...@kpunet.net> wrote: > >I got an SR-71, USS Arizona, an SBD Daunless and a A-10 Warthog > >yesterday at the local Wally World... Lots of good modeling time. > >The SR-71 is together and the Dauntless is close... > must be a decent wallys. this town could support a mega > supper wally but do we have one? it's the only large store > in this one whore's town and man does it need an upgrade. > shitstain arkansas. has a bigger one. Is that down the road from East Leftnut? Our Wally World doesn't do models (I don't call those pre-painted, screw together things models) because the local manager thinks that only losers and ignorant children do them. On the other hand, they have a very fine video game selection. >On Jul 27, 10:21 am, some...@some.domain wrote: >> In article <5evia3596qaog47phk1nh4npj5ibn22...@4ax.com>, Bluepen <lme...@kpunet.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >only losers and ignorant children do them. On the other hand, they >have a very fine video game selection. Our town is getting a brand new spiffed out Super WM!,I'm hoping they'll stock it with decent models,that would sound logical,wouldn't it?.It's so weird because up the road,theres the standard WM store & it's been there maybe 6 years?. > >On Jul 27, 10:21 am, some...@some.domain wrote: > >> In article <5evia3596qaog47phk1nh4npj5ibn22...@4ax.com>, Bluepen <lme...@kpunet.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > it?.It's so weird because up the road,theres the standard WM store & > it's been there maybe 6 years?. Over on the HH board the word is that Walmart is dropping models entirely. I have no idea what is in the local Outhouse because I refuse to ever go into one. I made it for 45 years without this aberration and I don't see any reason to help them take over the world. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> >On Jul 27, 10:21 am, some...@some.domain wrote: >> >> In article <5evia3596qaog47phk1nh4npj5ibn22...@4ax.com>, Bluepen [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. i agree with you in principle but when it comes down to one choice or drive 60 miles round trip, i have no choice. not at $3.16 a gallon gas. i try to save up non essentials for when i have to drive but when there's no choice, i go to the great hillbilly hell hole. What's the "HH board"? >> >On Jul 27, 10:21 am, some...@some.domain wrote: >> >> In article <5evia3596qaog47phk1nh4npj5ibn22...@4ax.com>, Bluepen <lme...@kpunet.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. The HH Board is the Hobby Heaven message board. You can reach it by this url: http://wwwboard.modelcarkits.com/ Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > Over on the HH board the word is that Walmart is dropping models > entirely. I have no idea what is in the local Outhouse because I refuse > to ever go into one. I made it for 45 years without this aberration and > I don't see any reason to help them take over the world. You're not missing anything. The selection and the section is bigger at the Fairway Store (Let's see how rural you are. If the name doesn't ring a bell, you don't live in the sticks.) Remember the Ben Franklin? About half the size of that. The only reason is to see if they have the 1/32 21st century kits, and the turnover for them is glacial. I've never seen the F4U or the Zero in any of them. > The only reason is to see if they have the 1/32 21st century kits, and > the turnover for them is glacial. I've never seen the F4U or the Zero > in any of them. > Our local WalMart store got all three of the Zero variants; and all of them had fogging on the inside of the front canopy section from the glue used to attach it. They also had around eight Panzer III's that were about as salable as dead pet fish. 21st Century is going back to Toys "R" Us; I think WalMart may be dropping them due to poor sales: http://www.21stcenturytoys.com/area21/articles.asp?newsID=266 Ben Franklin! Ah, the memories of youth! Bought lots of models there as a kid, and at the Scott's store which became Ben Franklin also. They sold tiny Marx miniature bird model kits; I think they were ten or twenty-five cents each, I can't remember which: http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/images/Playset%20Page/marx-redwinged.JPG http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/kits/images/Miscellaneous/marx-birds1.jpg Had dozens of 'em. Now, they go for $21.00 each. =-O Pat > > The only reason is to see if they have the 1/32 21st century kits, and > > the turnover for them is glacial. I've never seen the F4U or the Zero [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Pat Wow! That solved an old mystery. When I was a yout' (in the 1950s), a friend's mom used those as Christmas orniments on her tree. I remembered them, but couldn't remember where they came from. Thanks for your help! > Wow! That solved an old mystery. When I was a yout' (in the 1950s), a > friend's mom used those as Christmas orniments on her tree. I > remembered them, but couldn't remember where they came from. Thanks > for your help! > They used a miniature copy of the trunk and branch base from the Bachmann model bird kits, and the painting quality between the individual birds varied wildly. Some were airbrushed very nicely, others were very crudely hand painted, with huge eyes. While looking for info on the Bachmann birds, I stumbled on this page about collecting Airfix kits: http://pws.prserv.net/gbinet.dbjames/kits.htm Pat >> Wow! That solved an old mystery. When I was a yout' (in the 1950s), a >> friend's mom used those as Christmas orniments on her tree. I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > about collecting Airfix kits: > http://pws.prserv.net/gbinet.dbjames/kits.htm I *think* the Gloucester Gladiator was the first kit I ever owned? It was bought for a neighbour who turned out to be just a baby so they gave it to me. My dad had to build it for me and considering how ham-fisted he usually was he made a pretty good job of it. Also had a "Cutty Sark" but it wasn't Airfix although it was very similar. Did Airfix perhaps buy the mould from another maker? (kim) on 7/28/2007 7:15 PM kim said the following: > >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > (kim) Curious. The Dodge Command Car pictured on that page has the same box art as my Peerless model of the same vehicle #3505, ©1977. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ >on 7/28/2007 7:15 PM kim said the following: >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >Curious. The Dodge Command Car pictured on that page has the same box >art as my Peerless model of the same vehicle #3505, ©1977. I'm not praising WM,but if theres a decent selection of sci fi models there,go for it.Why is the model section ALWAYS trashed right at the model ailse?. > Curious. The Dodge Command Car pictured on that page has the same box > art as my Peerless model of the same vehicle #3505, ©1977. I wonder if they bought it from Airfix; or "borrowed" it if it was out of copyright? There are some Airfix kits featured in this article about box art screw-ups: http://modelarchives.free.fr/archives_P/boxartbloopers/index.html I particularly like Nazis equipped with Vostok rockets they launch ballistically from trailers. Pat > I *think* the Gloucester Gladiator was the first kit I ever owned? It was > bought for a neighbour who turned out to be just a baby so they gave it to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > another maker? > My first was an Aurora 1/48 scale SE-5 that my brother built for me...the first one I built on my own was a pre-painted snap-together HO scale greenhouse, of all things. First one I built and painted was a Airfix Arado Ar-196 floatplane. There were a lot of companies that did models of the Cutty Sark, so tracking which one you had down would be tricky without photos of the boxtop art. Unfortunately, the real ship was pretty much destroyed in a recent fire: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6675381.stm Pat > There were a lot of companies that did models of the Cutty Sark, so > tracking which one you had down would be tricky without photos of the > boxtop art. Any of these look familiar?: http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/kits/images/Boat/aurora-cuttysark.JPG http://tinyurl.com/2nrwtl http://www.modelsforsale.com/listphotos/AC1406.jpg http://www.modelsforsale.com/listphotos/AC1445.jpg http://i19.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/81/8d/c30d_1.JPG http://www.cahood.com/eafx1268.jpg http://www.cahood.com/helr79708.jpg http://www.shipsahoy.com/dml265.gif Pat >> There were a lot of companies that did models of the Cutty Sark, so >> tracking which one you had down would be tricky without photos of the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > http://www.cahood.com/helr79708.jpg > http://www.shipsahoy.com/dml265.gif No. It wasn't made a well-known company. Revell and Aurora were horrendously expensive in England in the 1960's. The only things I remember was it was moulded in dark brown plastic and went together very easily. It was also a slightly bigger scale than the Airfix ship models of the period. (kim) > No. It wasn't made a well-known company. Revell and Aurora were horrendously > expensive in England in the 1960's. The only things I remember was it was > moulded in dark brown plastic and went together very easily. It was also a > slightly bigger scale than the Airfix ship models of the period. Aurora did a few sailing ships in the 60's--Cutty Sark and Sovereign of the Seas--that were small but very well molded, and accurate, more so than their usual ship. Even their "Corsair" privateer is a pretty accurate model of the real "Prince de Neufchatel", an American schooner that Howard Chapelle seemed to think was the epitome of the design. Just don't glue that "CORSAIR" nameplate on the stern. > Aurora did a few sailing ships in the 60's--Cutty Sark and Sovereign > of the Seas--that were small but very well molded, and accurate, more [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > design. Just don't glue that "CORSAIR" nameplate on the stern. > Wait a second here...Pyro did a whole bunch of fairly small and simple model sailing ships in that time period. They used to sell for 39 cents here in America. I wonder if it was one of those? Heller also had a small scale 1/500 Cutty Sark in their Heller Cadet series: http://i11.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/aa/ee/7afa_1.JPG Pat >> Aurora did a few sailing ships in the 60's--Cutty Sark and Sovereign >> of the Seas--that were small but very well molded, and accurate, more [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Wait a second here...Pyro did a whole bunch of fairly small and simple > model sailing ships in that time period. The name rings a bell, it could well have been a Pyro. > They used to sell for 39 cents here in America. They cost quite a bit more in England. More than Airfix, but not as much as some other brands. (kim) >> Wait a second here...Pyro did a whole bunch of fairly small and simple >> model sailing ships in that time period. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I imagine it was an import duty. Airfix kits weren't all that expensive here in the United States in the 1960s and were widely available. Even here in Jamestown N.D. (with a population of only 15,000) the Airfix models were available at multiple stores, including at least one grocery store! (But the owner scratchbuilt wooden model trains himself and had a pet monkey, so that might explain it.) Most of them ranged from fifty cents to two dollars. Here's some examples of Pyro model ship box art: http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/kits/images/Boat/pyro-flyingcloud.JPG http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/kits/images/Boat/PYRO-COLUMBUS.JPG http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/kits/images/Boat/pyro-reale.JPG http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/kits/images/Boat/pyro-barbary.JPG http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/kits/images/Boat/pyro-elsie.jpg They made a very large number of different sailing ships in that series. Pat >> Aurora did a few sailing ships in the 60's--Cutty Sark and Sovereign >> of the Seas--that were small but very well molded, and accurate, more [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Wait a second here...Pyro did a whole bunch of fairly small and simple > model sailing ships in that time period. The name rings a bell, it could well have been a Pyro. > They used to sell for 39 cents here in America. They cost quite a bit more in England. More than Airfix, but not as much as some other brands. (kim) > No. It wasn't made a well-known company. Revell and Aurora were horrendously > expensive in England in the 1960's. The only things I remember was it was > moulded in dark brown plastic and went together very easily. It was also a > slightly bigger scale than the Airfix ship models of the period. > This almost sounds like one of the early kits imported from Japan. Pat > Our local WalMart store got all three of the Zero variants; and all of > them had fogging on the inside of the front canopy section from the glue > used to attach it. I meant the KITS--unpainted, unglued, screw holes easily filled and a decal sheet worth the cost of the kit--$10. > I meant the KITS--unpainted, unglued, screw holes easily filled and a > decal sheet worth the cost of the kit--$10. > That would solve the canopy problem; they looked okay other than that, although still a long way shy of a conventional model kit as far as detail goes. I'll bet someone in China got canned when the canopies showed up like that on all the pre-built ones. Although the Zero was a great choice for a model, the Macchi C. 202 Folgore was a very odd choice indeed. I still want to latch onto a 1/18th scale MiG-21 when it comes out, as I have a large collection of 1/72 scale Soviet jet fighters and attack planes. Pat > > I meant the KITS--unpainted, unglued, screw holes easily filled and a > > decal sheet worth the cost of the kit--$10. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Although the Zero was a great choice for a model, the Macchi C. 202 > Folgore was a very odd choice indeed. Actually the Macchi C.202 is the most interesting of the line. Where else will you find that kitted in 1/32? Zeke's, on the other hand, are well kitted from Nichimo, Revell, Hasegawa, and Trumpeter. --- Stephen > Actually the Macchi C.202 is the most interesting of the line. Where > else will you find that kitted in 1/32? Zeke's, on the other hand, are > well kitted from Nichimo, Revell, Hasegawa, and Trumpeter. > And the fact that you won't find one in that scale should tell you something...that other companies did some research on its sales appeal. The pre-built ones at least are aimed at a mass market; the C.202 is not a well-known aircraft, by any means, and it's probably going to end up like all those unsold Panzer IIIs. Italian WW II aircraft have never had anywhere near the sales appeal of U.S., British, Japanese, or German WW II aircraft. The same goes for the Soviet WW II aircraft.* This isn't going to set any sales records either: http://www.wartoyz.com/page/WT/PROD/CS/FV80049 These may be great for aircraft collectors, but the ten-year-old kid is going to gravitate toward the Bf-109 or Mustang over some Italian plane he never heard of, and unfortunately, that's where the majority of the business is. Marketing the kit version of the aircraft might work if it was pre-painted and marked, like they did with their armor kits; but having to paint it yourself and put the decals on it might miss the target audience, who is going to look at their model with all the brush marks on it, and crookedly painted frame lines on the canopy, then look at the finish on the pre-made one at the store, and never buy a kit one again. *And tanks as far as 21 Century goes; they have finally brought out a 1/32 scale T-34: http://www.wartoyz.com/page/WT/PROD/JA/FV80318 Pat > > Actually the Macchi C.202 is the most interesting of the line. Where > > else will you find that kitted in 1/32? Zeke's, on the other hand, are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And the fact that you won't find one in that scale should tell you > something...that other companies did some research on its sales appeal. ==snippage== I don't care particularly about sales appeal; I simply said it was the most interesting of the line, and one which had hitherto been unavailable. --- Stephen > ==snippage== > > I don't care particularly about sales appeal; I simply said it was the > most interesting of the line, and one which had hitherto been > unavailable. > Hey you want a _detailed_ 1/32 scale C. 202 that doesn't have screws sticking out of it?: http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/allies/previews/tmc202p.htm When I looked at the 21st Century one out at WalMart, I did have to admit it was a very attractive fighter design. The unglazed cutouts behind the canopy are a little odd, but I imagine the view backwards out of a P-36/P-40 was pretty distorted through the flush glazing, so it may have made sense. Look! More Italian airplanes than you can shake a stick at, if that's your idea of a good time: http://pacmodelscatalog.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=PCM&Cat egory_Code=airk And they even have my favorite: http://tinyurl.com/2dn7yo Yes, the Breda Ba-65... although what I've read about it is sightly different from their description of it: "When the situation in North Africa rapidly deteriorated, the RA put the aircraft back into front line service where it acquitted itself well!" What I've read is that the aircraft generally makes any top 10 list of worst WW II aircraft with ease, and was almost incapable of flying out of ground effect in the hot African climate due to being severely underpowered. But what is needed is a good 1/32 scale model of the top one on this page, the Caproni-Moroni C2 "SCUD": http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/AC/way-weird/weird.php Pat > But what is needed is a good 1/32 scale model of the top one on this > page, the Caproni-Moroni C2 "SCUD":http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/AC/way-weird/weird.php Cute, I especially liked that B-17 canard at the bottom of the page. The rest I remember readig in an old Playboy back in the 1960s. (Hey some of us ~did~ read it for the articles. 8^P ) > Cute, I especially liked that B-17 canard at the bottom of the page. > The rest I remember readig in an old Playboy back in the 1960s. (Hey > some of us ~did~ read it for the articles. 8^P ) > He put together a book of his stuff called "Zany Afternoons" around 1980 which is a lot of fun. Pat > > I don't care particularly about sales appeal; I simply said it was the > > most interesting of the line, and one which had hitherto been > > unavailable. > > Hey you want a _detailed_ 1/32 scale C. 202 that doesn't have screws > sticking out of it? Like this one? http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/axis/cleaver/tmc32202.htm Never mind the origins, I'm all for a kit that's reasonably accurate, easy to build and with at least one easy to paint option--and that a kid can afford to buy with allowance money. You're not going to "grow'' a hobby with $50 plastic/resin kits. > Like this one? > http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/axis/cleaver/tmc32202.htm > At least they got the price down to a reasonable level. They were selling the pre-painted armor kits at the same price as the finished ones. > Never mind the origins, I'm all for a kit that's reasonably accurate, > easy to build and with at least one easy to paint option--and that a > kid can afford to buy with allowance money. You're not going to > "grow'' a hobby with $50 plastic/resin kits. > By the time he got done with that one he built, he had the $50 dollar PCM kit, $10.00 21st Century kit, and a vacuform canopy rolled up in one model. I am surprised that the PCM kit gets that badly reviewed, especially given its price. It gets a far more positive review here: http://hsfeatures.com/features04/macchic20232ir_1.htm Pat > Never mind the origins, I'm all for a kit that's reasonably accurate, > easy to build and with at least one easy to paint option--and that a > kid can afford to buy with allowance money. You're not going to > "grow'' a hobby with $50 plastic/resin kits. > BTW; here's more 1/18th scale aircraft models. http://www.admiraltoys.com/ This company intends to market a 1/18th scale Dauntless in the near future: http://www.admiraltoys.com/Retailers/SBD/SBD1.html There is also supposed to be a 1/18th scale Hellcat in the pipeline. As near as I can figure, what's going on here is this: Blue Box Toys over in China is manufacturing the models to a company's specifications, and then letting individual companies purchase them with whatever paint and marking schemes they desire, and in their own company packaging. Now, in fairly short order Blue Box will probably cut out the middle man (21st Century, Admiral, etc.) as the profit on the mark-up of the kits that 21st century gets here in the U.S. could just as easily be going directly to Blue Box, and they could offer even lower retail prices while still increasing their net profits. $65 1/18th scale Dauntlesses are going to be seen as steep to buy the kids except for their birthdays and at Christmas time. $30-$40 Dauntlesses may be a whole other ball of wax, and they could rapidly make a major impact on both the American and Japanese model markets if they go full tilt into low-cost kits. Even 1/32nd scale C.202 kits will move fast at $5.00 each, and things like Mustangs and Focke-Wulfs will literally fly off of the shelves at that price. And given the low cost of Chinese labor, by Blue Box directly marketing them, they should be able to reach those prices while still turning a profit. All they need do is decide what they want to make a model of and have their own people design it rather than manufacturing it to another company's specs. This goes exactly the way it might, and you can kiss most non-Chinese model manufactures goodbye in around a decade. Pat > All they need do is decide what they want to make a model of and have > their own people design it rather than manufacturing it to another [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Pat Thank God that I have a ~huge~ stash of American, British, French and German kits that will most likely outlast me! I defiantely (no spelling error) try ~not~ to buy Chinese products if I can buy otherwise. Sometimes it isn't easy..... > Thank God that I have a ~huge~ stash of American, British, French and > German kits that will most likely outlast me! I defiantely (no > spelling error) try ~not~ to buy Chinese products if I can buy > otherwise. Sometimes it isn't easy..... > You have to be careful about that also; the 1/48th scale Monogram He-111 and Ju-88 started out as a DML kits that never got issued. Pat |
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