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two 3 mos old kittens will be invading my home tomorrow as the newest members of the family. I guess for the next few months building kits on the kitchen table will be quite interesting. any other modelers with cats? how do you make it work? thx - Craig on 8/12/2007 11:49 AM crw59@earthlink.net said the following: > two 3 mos old kittens will be invading my home tomorrow as the newest > members of the family. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Keep them off the table.  SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ > on 8/12/2007 11:49 AM crw59@earthlink.net said the following: >> two 3 mos old kittens will be invading my home tomorrow as the newest [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Keep them off the table. Brilliant in its simplicity. SignatureCurt VPS, CEW >>Keep them off the table. > > Brilliant in its simplicity. Teach them to stay off the table and it does work. >>>Keep them off the table. >> >> Brilliant in its simplicity. > >Teach them to stay off the table and it does work. yes! > >>Keep them off the table. > > > > Brilliant in its simplicity. > > Teach them to stay off the table and it does work. Cats will learn the rule quickly; when you chase them off the table or squirt them for being on the table, they'll learn to not be on the table when you're nearby. They'll go up as much as they please if you're not around. About squirt guns.... they do work unless you have the odd cat (like one of mine) who likes water. I'm told a couple drops of lemon juice in a spray bottle filled with water will sting their eyes just enough that they won't like it. I've never tried it, but I've been told. It makes sense. If curious how much it hurts, there's a simple test. Shoot yourself in the eyes and see what it's like. --- Stephen > If curious how much it hurts, there's a simple test. Shoot yourself in > the eyes and see what it's like. > And if you're still curious about how much things hurt...then shoot the cat in the eyes, and see what getting your face clawed off is like. I think the key here is having a model collection, or a cat collection, but not both simultaneously. Pet fish might be a better idea; then, unless you have an aquarium near the modeling area with a flying fish in it, you shouldn't have much trouble with your pet causing a disturbance while you are building something. In fact, a pet lobster could be taught to cut parts free from their trees with its sharp claw, and clamp parts while the glue dries with it crushing claw. The use of piranhas in removing vacuform parts from their backing sheets was a trick known to many modelers in the pre-resin kit days. ;-) Pat > > on 8/12/2007 11:49 AM cr...@earthlink.net said the following: > >> two 3 mos old kittens will be invading my home tomorrow as the newest [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Curt > VPS, CEW well, crud, that does make sense, doesn't it. just have to break the habit of leaving the trays of assembled parts on the table while the glue dries, etc... not used to cleaning up after myself. Craig >> on 8/12/2007 11:49 AM crw59@earthlink.net said the following: >>> two 3 mos old kittens will be invading my home tomorrow as the newest [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Brilliant in its simplicity. Get a big dog. Kittens/cats will not be a problem anymore 8-) SignatureAM http://sctuser.home.comcast.net >>> on 8/12/2007 11:49 AM crw59@earthlink.net said the following: >>>> two 3 mos old kittens will be invading my home tomorrow as the newest [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >8-) har, har. get a cat and sleep in. > Get a big dog. > Kittens/cats will not be a problem anymore > > 8-) Don't bet on it, one of our old cats took apart a rottweiler. >> Get a big dog. >> Kittens/cats will not be a problem anymore >> >> 8-) > >Don't bet on it, one of our old cats took apart a rottweiler. yep, sacre a cat enough and she will lay on her back and eviscerate an attacking dog. saw a 8 lb tabby gut a shepard. someone@some.domain wrote:>8-) >>Don't bet on it, one of our old cats took apart a rottweiler. > > yep, sacre a cat enough and she will lay on her back and eviscerate an > attacking dog. saw a 8 lb tabby gut a shepard. Fatboy just shredded the rottie's face. >someone@some.domain wrote:>8-) >>>Don't bet on it, one of our old cats took apart a rottweiler. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Fatboy just shredded the rottie's face. that works. >>>>Don't bet on it, one of our old cats took apart a rottweiler. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > that works. Yep, 22 pounds of large cat ain't afraid of much. Ron Smith <ronwsmithjr@verizon.net> wrote in news:L9jxi.276$jy6.114 @trnddc01: >>>>>Don't bet on it, one of our old cats took apart a rottweiler. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Yep, 22 pounds of large cat ain't afraid of much. We now have 3 dogs, all young but large. We also adopted nother couple a cats. Chester one of the new ones is medium sized male, few year old. When the 3 dogs come in off the porch to go to thier kennels, Chester sits in the niddle of the floor and hisses at them. You get sort of a 3 way dog pile as they try to avoid him. Takes abit to put them up if Chester is feeling particulalry bossy. He can corner them too, until they whimper. It's sad. Frank > We now have 3 dogs, all young but large. We also adopted nother couple a > cats. Chester one of the new ones is medium sized male, few year old. When [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Frank Too funny. One of many reasons I don;t have a dog. > Get a big dog. > Kittens/cats will not be a problem anymore You never saw our pet Siamese cat riding that howling Dalmation done the street like a jockey from hell, firmly attached to its back by its needle sharp claws. :-D >> Get a big dog. >> Kittens/cats will not be a problem anymore > > You never saw our pet Siamese cat riding that howling Dalmation done the > street like a jockey from hell, firmly attached to its back by its > needle sharp claws. :-D ROFL...I once had a Burmese cat that I saw riding a Border Collie down the street in exactly the same fashion! She also had a long haired German Shepherd trapped between a garage and the side boundary fence (a gap of about 2 feet). The next door but one neighbour knocked on my door and asked me to collect my cat so he could get his dog out of the gap! When I got there my cat had it's back arched, it's tail was like a flue brush and it was spitting up a storm, the fully grown GS was cowering at the back of the gap and whimpering like a scared puppy! We lost our Yellow Lab a couple of months ago due to illness but she knew her place when it came to our current cats. She was firmly at the bottom of the animal totem pole as the cats were already established when she arrived as a tiny puppy. It only took a couple of swats across her nose when she got too close for the cats' comfort and she never really bothered them again. In fact she would patiently stand and wait if a cat was drinking out of her water bowl and she wanted a drink herself! Getting back on topic, our current cats have never been a problem when it comes to models and one of them will lie on the kitchen table and watch what I am doing while I build. He has always watched me, regardless of what I am working on, but I do have to be careful if I have the soldering iron out as he is dumb enough to try and rub against it! SignatureLarry Green >> You never saw our pet Siamese cat riding that howling Dalmation done >> the street like a jockey from hell, firmly attached to its back by >> its needle sharp claws. :-D > > ROFL...I once had a Burmese cat that I saw riding a Border Collie down > the street in exactly the same fashion! The cat rode it for over a block and a half, then sedately walked back home like it was king of all the jungle. > She also had a long haired German Shepherd trapped between a garage > and the side boundary fence (a gap of about 2 feet). The next door but [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > storm, the fully grown GS was cowering at the back of the gap and > whimpering like a scared puppy! We had a situation something like that occur at our apartment house; someone had tied their dog's leash to the outside screen door, and a cat had promptly sat itself down just out of the dog's reach and was gleefully watching the dog go berserk. Then someone opened the door, and the cat was within reach of the dog. The dog went straight at the sitting cat, who simply raised its right paw and ran its claws right down the dog's nose. There was a split second of silence, then that dog let out a howl you could hear for blocks. :-) > We lost our Yellow Lab a couple of months ago due to illness but she > knew her place when it came to our current cats.She was firmly at the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and wait if a cat was drinking out of her water bowl and she wanted a > drink herself! It's lucky that more dogs don't get their eyes ripped out by cats; their reaction time is so fast that they've been known to claw the eyes out of poisonous snakes that were striking at them, followed by biting the snake's spine in half. I have a friend who lived up in Alaska, and he had a cat who would sit out on a dock and wait for salmon to swim by. As soon as one got in range the cat would jump onto its back and start clawing at it as the fish tried to swim away, with the cat still on it. I had another friend who had a pet dog and two big pet iguanas; the dog became convinced that it was also a iguana, and wanted to be in their cage with them. He'd put the dog in the cage, and the iguanas would flail the hell out of the poor thing with their tails till the dog escaped, howling. Then, around an hour later, the dog would want to get back in their cage again. There was something very wrong with that dog. :-) If that had been a cat, there would be two fewer iguanas in the world, pronto. > Getting back on topic, our current cats have never been a problem when > it comes to models and one of them will lie on the kitchen table and > watch what I am doing while I build. He has always watched me, > regardless of what I am working on, but I do have to be careful if I > have the soldering iron out as he is dumb enough to try and rub > against it! They sure do take a keen interest in everything going on in their surroundings in minute detail; if even a fly gets into the room, the cat knows it's there and begins immediately plotting a way to catch it. Pat : I have a friend who lived up in Alaska, and he had a cat who would sit : out on a dock and wait for salmon to swim by. As soon as one got in : range the cat would jump onto its back and start clawing at it as the : fish tried to swim away, with the cat still on it. Did they have a fishing license for the cat? :-) I have heard that young eagles (typically balds) are often killed when fishing - if they misjudge the size of the salmon, they can't fly off, nor, apparently, can they release their claws until they have landed, so they drown. Bruce Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX. - Thuganlitha The Power and the Prophet Robert Don Hughes I have a model room with a door I can close. I haven't had to worry for some years because we had well behaved older cats but one died and we got a kitten a few months later. He's not a year old yet but as he gets older he is allowed supervised visitis to the room. He will eventually get to where I can leave the door open. Just be patient and keep a loaded squirt gun handy, careful near decals of course. > on 8/12/2007 11:49 AM crw59@earthlink.net said the following: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Keep them off the table. They will learn not to get up on things eventually. I do second the squirt gun idea-very effective. One good thing is they are kittens and should learn fast. My already grown-up Manx had to be taught to stay off the bed when I got married- SWMBO is allergic. I left a dark t-shirt on my bed when we left for a trip- came back and it was covered with cat hair. Little passive-agressive displeasure there, I guess. Mine knows the boundaries- kitchen table, bed BAD! laps GOOD (except during football season- yelling has some bad side effects). >I have a model room with a door I can close. I haven't had to worry for >some years because we had well behaved older cats but one died and we got a [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >> Keep them off the table. >two 3 mos old kittens will be invading my home tomorrow as the newest >members of the family. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >thx - Craig when mine was a kitten, i taught her not to use claws in play fights, how to use a toilet and that she was not allowed on shelves ot tables. if you teach them young, it lasts a lifetime. in 22 years, i was never clawed, didn't have a stinky litterbox and never lost a kit part. > two 3 mos old kittens will be invading my home tomorrow as the newest > members of the family. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > any other modelers with cats? how do you make it work? > Contact this guy; he'd know: http://www.up-ship.com/ He has pet cats running all over the place: http://www.up-ship.com/Stuff/Humor/humorcritter1.htm Pat > cr...@earthlink.net wrote: > > two 3 mos old kittens will be invading my home tomorrow as the newest [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Pat Funny stuff... Too bad most were ripped off from: www.icanhascheezburger.com > Funny stuff... > > Too bad most were ripped off from: > > www.icanhascheezburger.com > He actually sticks his cats into photos of models for a scale indicator: http://www.up-ship.com/models/Xjet/2007-05-16g.jpg That's Mystique in her cat form next to the X-Jet. Pat > two 3 mos old kittens will be invading my home tomorrow as the newest > members of the family. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > thx - Craig If they get on the able there is always the ever effective CATapult > If they get on the able there is always the ever effective CATapult The thing about shooting at a kitten with a squirt gun is that it may think it's a game of some sort. ;-) Pat > two 3 mos old kittens will be invading my home tomorrow as the newest > members of the family. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > thx - Craig Cat hair. From the kitten to your shirt to your model table to your models. I have a trio of 1-year-old cats (thanks, daughter) (plus a pair of older ones) and my model table is in the family room. So far, no evidence of their jumping onto the table, although my airbrush has been pulled down by its hose at least twice. They've all been good about not jumping up on tables and countertops. Unless you get a really stubborn cat, you can persuade it to stay off your workspace. The cat, yes, but not the cat hair. Signature"Evolution can be mean -- there's no 'dumb-a.s' vaccine." -- Jimmy Buffett > Unless you get a really stubborn cat, you can persuade it to stay off > your workspace. > > The cat, yes, but not the cat hair. > Time to think outside the model box, so to speak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphynx_(cat) Pat When I got my house in 1999, there was already a separate room with a closing door in the basement that I decided would be my cat-free modeling zone. No cat hair or litter box dust or anything would get in there. The very first time that I left the door to that room open, I walked in to find my cat Mojo sleeping INSIDE my spray booth. So much for grandiose plans... I do have a recommendation... since you can't trust a cat to leave stuff alone, find a way to cover it. That way when you walk away from a project for a while, or let the paint/glue dry it'll be safe. It'll do two things; it'll keep the cat hair away from it for the most part, and it'll keep curious paws off small pieces that may otherwise become toys. One other thing.. before painting, always wipe down your model with a lint-free cloth of some sort. If you don't, cat hair and dander can get in there and mess with it. One more bit of advice.. the BEST cat toy ever invented is the laser pointer. Get one and make your kitties crazy. Avoid their eyes of course. Have fun with the kitties... ---- Stephen > two 3 mos old kittens will be invading my home tomorrow as the newest > members of the family. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > thx - Craig Here's another thought; get the cat interested in modeling. Pretty soon you guys will be building together, bonding, etc. This could be the answer to the eternal question of the hobby's future. SignatureCurt Who has too much time on his hands today. At one time, I had 4 cats, God rest their little souls now, but I'd have as many as 2 or 3 sitting or lying on my table watching me work or one in my lap. They seemed fascinated by it & only occasionally would one of them decide to inspect or play with a part & usually when they did, a polite but firm 'stop it' would suffice. I guess it all depends on your cat's personality & how well you get along with each other. > <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Curt > Who has too much time on his hands today. > Pretty soon you > guys will be building together, bonding, etc. > Now I'm picturing the cat accidentally superglued to the model. Probably a DML Maus tank. :-D Pat >> Pretty soon you >> guys will be building together, bonding, etc. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Pat And WHEN the cat is on the table, doing nothing just looking around. DO NOT start shouting and scaring the cat from the table. The cat will startle and scramble from the table. THAT will do much more damage. Don't ask me how I know. SignatureCheers, Bert-Jan >>> Pretty soon you >>> guys will be building together, bonding, etc. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >scramble from the table. THAT will do much more damage. >Don't ask me how I know. Set phaser to stun. Get yourself some Bonita flakes ie flaked Tuna flakes from either the local market or a Japanese market if you have one in your town. This stuff is like candy to a kitty.........................we have four (4) and this is the only thing that will let you work on models with kitty cats in the house :>) jim On Aug 12, 8:49 am, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote: > two 3 mos old kittens will be invading my home tomorrow as the newest > members of the family. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > thx - Craig Teach 'em to use an airbrush? :O) Last summer I helped my friend raise 4 motherless 4 day old kittens she found in the bushes to yearlings. Model building was put on hold in that time period. Heck, the kittens were so much fun! > two 3 mos old kittens will be invading my home tomorrow as the newest > members of the family. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > thx - Craig Ben Valdevarona wrote: > Last summer I helped my friend raise 4 motherless 4 day old kittens she > found in the bushes to yearlings. Model building was put on hold in that > time period. Heck, the kittens were so much fun > I am allergic to cats, which is really annoying because I always end up playing with them anyway...and paying for it later with severe sneezing and bloodshot eyes. It always seemed to me that individual cat personalities were a lot less varied than dog's personalities are, particularly when they are young. Pat I was fortunate to help raise four kittens from bottle feeding to yearlings and I can say, each developed their own distinct personalities. Maybe these are four of the five available cat personalities? ;-) Ben > Ben Valdevarona wrote: >> Last summer I helped my friend raise 4 motherless 4 day old kittens she [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Pat >I was fortunate to help raise four kittens from bottle feeding to yearlings >and I can say, each developed their own distinct personalities. Maybe these [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >> Pat i'ver raised or lived around 50+ cats and they all have personalities. i like the fact that they are not as needy as dogs and are better communicaters. my last cat always knew the right thing to do when i came home from work. she would have had a beer poured and the lounger vibrating if the levers and swithches were in reach.... Ben Valdevarona wrote: > I was fortunate to help raise four kittens from bottle feeding to yearlings > and I can say, each developed their own distinct personalities. Maybe these > are four of the five available cat personalities? ;-) > > Ben > If they were raised together, they would develop some sort of group interactions; there'd be something like the "Alpha Kitty" leading the group. :-) Pat >Ben Valdevarona wrote: >> I was fortunate to help raise four kittens from bottle feeding to yearlings [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Pat never saw that. some are more social than others but i've never seen a leader of the pack. cats are anarchists. > >Ben Valdevarona wrote: > >> I was fortunate to help raise four kittens from bottle feeding to yearlings [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > never saw that. some are more social than others but i've never seen a leader > of the pack. cats are anarchists. When my son lived here we had three cats. Mom's decided he was top cat and made it stick with the older female. The younger one paid his demonstrations no mind. He never could get a reaction other than disdain out of her. She has a much greater reaction to my grandson. ;) Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > It always seemed to me that individual cat personalities were a lot less > varied than dog's personalities are, particularly when they are young. Then you are not good a subtlety, which pretty much defines cats. >> It always seemed to me that individual cat personalities were a lot >> less varied than dog's personalities are, particularly when they are >> young. > > Then you are not good a subtlety, which pretty much defines cats. Dogs are a lot more obvious as far as their personalities go; with dogs you can make a very good guess at how it will react to any situation after you get to know it...with cats it seems to be a lot more cryptic...they will behave in entirely unexpected ways that you can't really understand. It might be as simple as the fact that cats are carnivores, and dogs are to some extent omnivores like we are. It's very rare to be ignored by a dog; cats specialize in it. :-) Pat >>> It always seemed to me that individual cat personalities were a lot >>> less varied than dog's personalities are, particularly when they are [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Pat cats are very much like people in that you have to get to know them. dogs are basically wysiwyg. i could devide many people into dog types or cat types. easy to read people bore me. >> Then you are not good a subtlety, which pretty much defines cats. > Dogs are a lot more obvious as far as their personalities go; with dogs > you can make a very good guess at how it will react to any situation [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > carnivores, and dogs are to some extent omnivores like we are. It's very > rare to be ignored by a dog; cats specialize in it. :-) Funny, I can read most cats quite easily, all it takes is a little subtelty. > Funny, I can read most cats quite easily, all it takes is a little > subtelty. You know why? Because you are thinking like them. And you know _why_ you are thinking like them? Simple...cat brain parasites: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-08/uoc--cpm080206.php You have already begun to like to be around them, and have convinced yourself that you know how they think. The dead rats all thought the same thing. :-) Pat > two 3 mos old kittens will be invading my home tomorrow as the newest > members of the family. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > thx - Craig The first time they get up *anywhere* you don't want them, walk up, place a hand on one side and push them off. Not so hard so they hit the opposite wall or are able to jump down but enough to leave them hanging in mid air. I only had to do that once to each of our cats. The only places they would get up on were laps/furniture seats and the foot of the bed unless already occupied or called. -- Chuck Ryan Springfield OH > any other modelers with cats? how do you make it work? Simple: I got totally lucky with the cat I got. She's not into random destruction at all. She typically sits on a chair next to me (pull one up as needed) or on a empty corner of the table. Bit of advice though: even a well behaved cat (whether by nature or training) can have accidents. When you're on the ground, and want to get up onto that table to keep an eye on the two-legged idiot, you can't see where you're going to land when you jump. Either give them an easy path up like a chair (they'll sidestep anything breakable), or make sure the landing zone is clear. A cat unexpectedly landing in the middle of your work is spectacular, but not desirable for either party. Rob > two 3 mos old kittens will be invading my home tomorrow as the newest > members of the family. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > thx - Craig One of those electric cattle prods would work ok ,just make sure it's up to maximium and keep it away from yourself. 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