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Model Forum / General / Models / September 2007Only Tamiya makes a 1/48 F-4U-1 Corsair ??
seems all the 1/48 Corsairs are late war or Korean era. I want a 1/48 similar to the old Revell 1/32 kit. and what is the purpose of the white striping in front of the cockpit? thx - Craig on 9/20/2007 12:27 AM crw59@earthlink.net said the following: > seems all the 1/48 Corsairs are late war or Korean era. I want a 1/48 > similar to the old Revell 1/32 kit. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >  SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ on 9/20/2007 12:27 AM crw59@earthlink.net said the following: > seems all the 1/48 Corsairs are late war or Korean era. I want a 1/48 > similar to the old Revell 1/32 kit. > The first F4Us were not suitable for carrier use until the end of 1944. > and what is the purpose of the white striping in front of the cockpit? > Identification, as were all paint jobs other than the basic camouflage schemes. SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ > on 9/20/2007 12:27 AM crw59@earthlink.net said the following: >> seems all the 1/48 Corsairs are late war or Korean era. I want a 1/48 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Identification, as were all paint jobs other than the basic camouflage > schemes. No - it was tape; used to try and stop fuel fumes from entering the cockpit. Signature- Rufus >> and what is the purpose of the white striping in front of the cockpit? >> > > Identification, as were all paint jobs other than the basic camouflage > schemes. I think he's referring to the adhesive tape used to seal the panels from fume leaks. on 9/20/2007 2:18 AM Ron Smith said the following: >>> and what is the purpose of the white striping in front of the cockpit? >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I think he's referring to the adhesive tape used to seal the panels > from fume leaks. Yes. My mistake. SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ >> and what is the purpose of the white striping in front of the cockpit? >> > Identification, as were all paint jobs other than the basic camouflage > schemes. No, that's white "speed" (duct) tape to cover the panel junctions on the area housing the forward fuel tank. They had trouble with fumes from that tank getting into the cockpit and causing the pilot to get woozy, so stuck tape over the seams. The pattern varies from aircraft to aircraft. Pat > seems all the 1/48 Corsairs are late war or Korean era. I want a 1/48 > similar to the old Revell 1/32 kit. > > and what is the purpose of the white striping in front of the cockpit? > > thx - Craig It's not really striping - it's tape; masking tape or duct tape, whatever was on hand. Seems there was an issue with fuel fumes entering the cockpit, and crews would tape over the skin seams to try and lessen the problem. That's the straight scoup. Yeah - the Tamiya one is your best bet. I think there is another one (Academy?), but Tamiya's builds like buttah. Signature- Rufus >> seems all the 1/48 Corsairs are late war or Korean era. I want a 1/48 >> similar to the old Revell 1/32 kit. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Yeah - the Tamiya one is your best bet. I think there is another one >(Academy?), but Tamiya's builds like buttah. ain't no ewe in scoop. or me neither. > >> seems all the 1/48 Corsairs are late war or Korean era. I want a 1/48 > >> similar to the old Revell 1/32 kit. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > ain't no ewe in scoop. or me neither. That's b-a-a-a-d! How was Texas? Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> >> seems all the 1/48 Corsairs are late war or Korean era. I want a 1/48 >> >> similar to the old Revell 1/32 kit. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. the people's republic of west tex-a.s was beautiful and full of really nice people. bubba even bought me lunch because i liked the longhorms on his caddy. (no joke!) i did see living longhorns and am glad that 3 old time ranchers had saved herds to keep them form going extinct. they are HUGE when not run skinny on a drive. all the legal stuff got done and now the fun begins.... on 9/26/2007 10:20 AM someone@some.domain said the following: > >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > all the legal stuff got done and now the fun begins.... > I don't have to go to Texas to see longhorns. There's a small* cattle ranch near me that has them. * small refers to the ranch, not the size of the cattle. :-) SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ >on 9/26/2007 10:20 AM someone@some.domain said the following: >> [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >ranch near me that has them. >* small refers to the ranch, not the size of the cattle. :-) yes, they're trendy and cool now. On Sep 26, 10:05 am, some...@some.domain wrote: > In article <13fkrd3c0n1n...@news.supernews.com>, willshak <wills...@00hvc.rr.com> wrote: > >on 9/26/2007 10:20 AM some...@some.domain said the following: [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I'm just glad they beat USC. Craig (Go Bears!) >On Sep 26, 10:05 am, some...@some.domain wrote: >> In article <13fkrd3c0n1n...@news.supernews.com>, willshak [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > >Craig (Go Bears!) just what sort of competition pits cows against bears? On Sep 26, 1:10 pm, some...@some.domain wrote: > In article <1190834601.505072.148...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > - Show quoted text - The Pac-10 !!!! >On Sep 26, 1:10 pm, some...@some.domain wrote: >> In article <1190834601.505072.148...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > >The Pac-10 !!!! pak protectors? pac men? pack me lunch? what is this sh.t? > on 9/26/2007 10:20 AM someone@some.domain said the following: >> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > ranch near me that has them. > * small refers to the ranch, not the size of the cattle. :-) ...you ain't seen BIG cattle till you've seen a Santa Gertrudis bull on the King Ranch...then suckers are HUGE. I've seen a few on one of the ranches in Tehachapi, so they must know of be related to the Kings or Kleeburgs - I hear they don't let the breed out generally. Signature- Rufus >> on 9/26/2007 10:20 AM someone@some.domain said the following: >>> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >ranches in Tehachapi, so they must know of be related to the Kings or >Kleeburgs - I hear they don't let the breed out generally. the king ranch, the other half of tex-a.s. >>> on 9/26/2007 10:20 AM someone@some.domain said the following: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >> > the king ranch, the other half of tex-a.s. Yup. More like the lower third. Signature- Rufus >>>> on 9/26/2007 10:20 AM someone@some.domain said the following: >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > >Yup. More like the lower third. kind of funny to see sr's and i's running across private land. i'm surprised they don't call them king's hiways and interstate king routes. > ...you ain't seen BIG cattle till you've seen a Santa Gertrudis bull > on the King Ranch...then suckers are HUGE. I've seen a few on one of > the ranches in Tehachapi, so they must know of be related to the Kings > or Kleeburgs - I hear they don't let the breed out generally. Those bison we have up here look like rhinos when full grown. Pat > on 9/26/2007 10:20 AM someone@some.domain said the following: >> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > ranch near me that has them. > * small refers to the ranch, not the size of the cattle. :-) ...you ain't seen BIG cattle till you've seen a Santa Gertrudis bull on the King Ranch...then suckers are HUGE. I've seen a few on one of the ranches in Tehachapi, so they must know of be related to the Kings or Kleeburgs - I hear they don't let the breed out generally. Signature- Rufus No longhorns around here but someone is raising very large deer out to the east of here. First I saw the fence and was wondering what they needed such large fence for. I think they're elk but I didn't stop to check. From the size of them they could be moose. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > No longhorns around here but someone is raising very large deer out to > the east of here. First I saw the fence and was wondering what they > needed such large fence for. I think they're elk but I didn't stop to > check. From the size of them they could be moose. > If they are moose, you are going to need something like the Maginot Line to keep them confined; the things wander through barbed wire and electric cattle fences like they are snapping strings. I don't know if I ever heard of anyone raising moose as anything other than a tourist attraction; they aren't supposed to taste very good at all, and you had better damn well hope you bring them down with the first shot if you hunt them, as their weight and size make them extremely dangerous if they are angry. I haven't seen one yet but some people around here (Jamestown, North Dakota) are raising emus. Pat >No longhorns around here but someone is raising very large deer out to >the east of here. First I saw the fence and was wondering what they >needed such large fence for. I think they're elk but I didn't stop to >check. From the size of them they could be moose. > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. way too many bambi in the wild. time to thin that herd. Isn't the Otaki kit still around? 've always heard it was a good kit. What about the Hobby Craft kit(s)? On Sep 19, 11:27 pm, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote: > seems all the 1/48 Corsairs are late war or Korean era. I want a 1/48 > similar to the old Revell 1/32 kit. > > and what is the purpose of the white striping in front of the cockpit? > > thx - Craig > seems all the 1/48 Corsairs are late war or Korean era. I want a 1/48 > similar to the old Revell 1/32 kit. The Tamiya kit can't be beat and can be found relatively cheap. Otaki made a very nice F4U-1A. It has been released under other labels such as Airfixand ARII. The cockpit, landing gear and engines details are simplistic and/or wrong, but the airframe itself is accurate and goes together well with excellent engraved panel lines. It does not have a folding wing or postionable flaps. Hobbycraft made a somewhat similar Corsair but with better, more accurate details and the option of extended flaps and cowl flaps. However, all reviews I've read state that these don't fit well. It came in -1, -1A and -1D variants. AMT made a -1 Birdcage Corsair- don't go there. Search eBay for "1/48 F4U". The supply must be huge because you can get them cheap. Curt > AMT made a -1 Birdcage Corsair- don't go there. That bad, huh? I never saw a built one, but always wondered what it was like. Pat >> AMT made a -1 Birdcage Corsair- don't go there. > > That bad, huh? I never saw a built one, but always wondered what it was > like. > > Pat Yeah, it's been years but it was extremely simplified, sort of a snap-together. I believe it was the first Birdcage Corsair in this scale, and it has an interesting way of locking the wings together inside the fuselage. I suppose you could make something out of it but point is, with the alternatives, it's only for collectors or as a curiosity. Curt > The Tamiya kit can't be beat and can be found relatively cheap. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > together well with excellent engraved panel lines. It does not have a > folding wing or postionable flaps. Neither does the Tamiya. It's flaps down or nothing--or cutting and puttying. > Hobbycraft made a somewhat similar Corsair but with better, more accurate > details and the option of extended flaps and cowl flaps. However, all > reviews I've read state that these don't fit well. It came in -1, -1A > and -1D variants. They take a little shaving, but much less work than raised flaps on the Tamiya. Also, there are more variants, including RN and -1, and it costs less. : and what is the purpose of the white striping in front of the cockpit? Nobody has explained why tape would seal out fumes, or why there would be fuel fumes to start with. On the other hand, radials are notorious for oil leakes (consider the sheer number of mating surfaces in a radial), and they MUST use non-detergent oil (carbonized oil does tend to stop leaks. Detergent in oil tends to clean carbonized oil. Oops). So, the reason I have read is that it was to keep oil off of the windscreen. Later model birds had better sealing on the upper panels to help prevent that problem. Bruce Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX. - Thuganlitha The Power and the Prophet Robert Don Hughes I've never seen a real explanation of why there were fumes, other than that's where the fuel tank is. As for oil leaks, since the tape is so far back from the firewall, I don't see what that would have to do with oil, but this is the first time I've seen reference to oil. The only real Corsiar I ever spent lots of time with was a -4 & we never had a problem with fumes & I had seen where Vought improved the tank sealing. > cr...@earthlink.net <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > The Power and the Prophet > Robert Don Hughes > I've never seen a real explanation of why there were fumes, > other than that's where the fuel tank is. In this cutaway, it looks like the fuel tank has a circular access hatch screwed down to its top surface: http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/images/drawings/f4u_cutaway_01.jpg In this cutaway and painting, you can see that the panels around that hatch have been taped over: http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/AC/aircraft/Vought-Corsair/IMAGES/Corsair-cutaway.jpg http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/AC/aircraft/Vought-Corsair/IMAGES/Title-img-Corsair.jpg So I assume the fit on that hatch wasn't as tight as it should have been. Pat > In this cutaway, it looks like the fuel tank has a circular access > hatch screwed down to its top surface: > http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/images/drawings/f4u_cutaway_01.jpg Or is that the oil tank mounted inside the fuel tank? I note there are three different cap assemblies in the area; one red one on top of the circular "hatch" and two other ones mounted further aft. I never could understand what advantage they thought they were going to get by covering a comparatively small section of the wing in fabric rather than metal skinning. Pat The oil tank is in front of the fuel tank. (We used to put 5 gallons in so we could check it, then add more as needed. :) ) I think it held about 26 or so gallons of oil & I'm thinking 230 of gas. The other could be the hydraulic fluid. I'll have to dig out my manuals. The only fuel tank the Corsairs, other than the XF, was in the fuselage or drop tanks. BTW, just because a tank is a bladder doesn't mean it's self-sealing. Regarding the fabric outer wings, I always wondered about that too, but they did metalize them on the -5 & a few restored early ones on the airshow circuit now have metalized wings. IIRC, the controls remained fabric, even on the -5. > > In this cutaway, it looks like the fuel tank has a circular access > > hatch screwed down to its top surface: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Pat Concur about the self sealing point...isn't the circular cover just a man hole for internal service access? ...I know there's one such for each bladder on an F/A-18 under the dorsal, so that would only make sense to me. Signature- Rufus > The oil tank is in front of the fuel tank. (We used to put 5 > gallons in so we could check it, then add more as needed. :) ) I think [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >> Pat > Concur about the self sealing point...isn't the circular cover just a > man hole for internal service access? That's sure what it looks like; the diameter looks big enough for a small person to crawl through. If the tank is just a large rubber bladder, you can see why it would be difficult to get a tight seal on the cover. You'd have to embed a metal sealing ring in the upper tank wall, so the cover could be secured to it when it was attached. During maneuvers, the fuel could press down on the cover with considerable weight when the aircraft was inverted, and that could cause leakage from the hatch's periphery. Pat >> Concur about the self sealing point...isn't the circular cover just a >> man hole for internal service access? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Pat From what I know, the tank is usually attached to the structure from the bottom side, and then an access plate and seal are attached from the opposite side using a separate bolt pattern - not saying that this is how the F4U was constructed, but probably should have been. Again, in my experience the worst thing you can do to a fuel bladder is to leave it de-fueled of partially fueled and let it dry out and promote cracking. As they say, you'd never think an airplane could break sitting still. Signature- Rufus > Again, in my experience the worst thing you can do to a fuel bladder > is to leave it de-fueled of partially fueled and let it dry out and > promote cracking. As they say, you'd never think an airplane could > break sitting still. The big thing with the early F-4U is that it goes back far enough in time that the foreward fuselage tank is a first generation job after natural rubber went to vulcanized rubber. Figuring how long-term gasoline exposure was going to affect it in the late 1930's was pushing it a bit. >> Again, in my experience the worst thing you can do to a fuel bladder >> is to leave it de-fueled of partially fueled and let it dry out and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > gasoline exposure was going to affect it in the late 1930's was pushing > it a bit. Not really...they haven't figured it out yet. Signature- Rufus Maybe round engines "MUST" use ND oil back in WWII, but we've always used detergent after initial break-in & that's all I've heard of using after break in for over 30 years. > cr...@earthlink.net <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > The Power and the Prophet > Robert Don Hughes > : and what is the purpose of the white striping in front of the cockpit? > : [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Bruce Most aircraft fuel tanks are actually rubber or neoprene bladders, which allow them to be self-sealing in the event of penetration. SOme are hard cased, but many are not. Such tanks are prone to cracking and/or weeping when left unfueled for periods of time. Oil isn't that much of an issue because it's so much less aromatic. Most WWII fighters also generally had their main fuel tanks beneath and/or behind the pilot (Me 109, P-51, etc.), and so any residual fumes would naturally drift aft of the cockpit in the slipstream. Not so the Corsair - by placing the fuel bladder ahead of the cockpit, the fumes from any fuel seepage could enter the cockpit. So in the early models, crews applied tape to the panel joints to try to at least contain the fumes to the interior of the forward fuselage. I believe the tanks and/or structure were redesigned after the -1A to reduce the problem. Signature- Rufus : Not so the : Corsair - by placing the fuel bladder ahead of the cockpit, the fumes : from any fuel seepage could enter the cockpit. So in the early models, : crews applied tape to the panel joints to try to at least contain the : fumes to the interior of the forward fuselage. I believe the tanks : and/or structure were redesigned after the -1A to reduce the problem. Sorry, Rufus. I was thinking that the F4U-1 was redesigned to accomodate a 50 gallon oil tank, moving the cockpit aft, but apparently the leading edge fuel tanks were deleted, and replaced with the aforementioned fuel tank. Bruce Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX. - Thuganlitha The Power and the Prophet Robert Don Hughes |
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