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Yupie - 24 Sep 2007 17:22 GMT
Hi,

I've made some models some years ago, but today I'm wanting to start
again with this hobbie :)

I'm wandering if there's any place where I can learn more about
modeling, what I recall from my ancient times, was that I had a lot of
problems with the "painting part"...

Right now I've bough a lot of models in ebay, and I'm about start
again.
By the way, does someone have some kind of suggestion on wich model/
scale should I try right now?

I've got some models in 1:35 and 1:72 I think 1:35 is easier, but I'm
affraid to start because I don't want to ruin some good models :|.

I hope there isn't too many errors in the text, but my main language
isn't English.

Best regards
AM - 24 Sep 2007 17:57 GMT
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Hi.

Let me say Welcome.

Here you will find more people with knowledge,
and web links and resources than anywhere else.
You DO have to self filter out the BS, and crap.
Since your here already, you will get used to it.

As for building kit's ? Start with one's that have
the fewest parts. Do NOT get hung up with making it
right, just get it done ! Practice makes perfect, and
you ARE going to screw up. Something about finishing
a kit, even if it is not the greatest gives great
satisfaction. So even if they aint perfect, FINISH 'em.
A good modeler isn't one who just builds nice models.
He is one that can fix his mistakes and make them look
like they never happened. Takes practice, which =
building kit's. You will naturally learn all kinds
of stuff it would take a lifetime of people teaching you.

An old saying applies here;

"Anything Worth Doing, Is Worth Doing Badly"

Remember this, and have FUN !!

Clear Skies.

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Yupie - 25 Sep 2007 11:20 GMT
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Hi,

thanks for the answer.

My main problem is the painting part, there I must say that I've got a
lot to learn.

The "building" phase I don't have so much problems. I guess I'll have
to try :)

Best regards,
Don Stauffer in Minnesota - 26 Sep 2007 14:23 GMT
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While reading may be going out of style with guys, I recommend
checking out the local library for books on modeling.  There are a
number on scale modeling, and most of them do cover painting and
finishing in some detail.  If you can, check several libraries,
because they try to spread the books around in a district, so even
close-by ones do not have the same selection.

Check out in particular books by Kalmbach, one of the big names in
model publishing.
willshak - 24 Sep 2007 18:22 GMT
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What type of models are we talking about? Planes, armor, etc.?
Start with the 1/72, especially if armor. The building time is shorter
and there are fewer parts, and with armor, most mistakes can be covered
with weathering. Besides, they are cheaper and if you mess it up,
replacing it won't hurt the wallet too much.
There are a lot of sites for modeling hints, but you have to know how to
find them. I don't know if there are sites that provide lists of links
to other sites for modeling hints, like there are for computer painting
programs (Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro, etc.)

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In Hamptonburgh, NY
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Yupie - 25 Sep 2007 11:24 GMT
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Hi, thanks for the answer.
The models I have in my "stash" are mainly armors and soldiers (scale
1:35) but I also got some 1:72 planes.
I think you're right about the cost of 1:72 models, but isn't 1:72
harder to paint?
Is there any link where I can get some tips about painting and wich
paints should I use?

Best regards
professorpaul - 24 Sep 2007 22:54 GMT
I do wooden boat models. Not sure about the scale.  Midwest makes a
nice line of stuff -- various skill levels. Start with something
simple. You don't want to be overwhelmed by an excessively complicated
model. It never gets finished..

I find that painting things as I go along -- like the hull, doing
water lines, etc., makes things MUCH easier. If I can pre-assemble and
paint something like a cabin, etc., before I mount it, all the better.
Recently, I've been using the tape you use for automotive pin stripes
for things like water lines. It is very difficult to paint/mask thin
lines and have them look good.

I try to do as much with spray paint (gets smoother finish) and blue
painter's tape as I can. Good paints are important. I like the
Testor's paints for little stuff, and Rustoleum makes a variety of
colored enamels in small cans. I generally stick to oil paints, though
I do break out my acrylic artist's stuff when I need some weird color.
I did a model recently of a screw pole lighthouse (St. Michael's MD),
and needed a matte finish paint to simulate corroded copper sheeting.

Good small (#0, #00, #1) artist's watercolor brushes seem ideal. A.C.
Moore, or Michael's are good places. Stay away from the cheap hobby/
water color brushes.

I find it is a good thing to have a place where you can leave stuff
set up, so you are not putting things away all the time. A good
fishing tackle box works nicely for tools, etc., or one of those big
boxes for art supplies.

Spray painting is best done out-of-doors, or in the garage with the
door open. Newspapers over a garbage can work nicely as a "spray
booth."  Testor's make small spray cans of various colors. Especially
good for stuff like plastic plane models. Somewhat expensive, though.
Hardware store stuff (Krylon, etc.) works fine, especially for things
like white, black, priming.

Tools are everything...
Yupie - 25 Sep 2007 11:25 GMT
> I do wooden boat models. Not sure about the scale.  Midwest makes a
> nice line of stuff -- various skill levels. Start with something
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Hi, thanks for the answer.

I like wooden modeling, although right now it's too expensive to me.
I think I've got some good tools to work, I just need to start doing
some models :)

Best regards.
Gerald Owens - 25 Sep 2007 00:38 GMT
Visit armorama.com, track-link.net, and missing-lynx.com, and you'll
find a wealth of information on building 1/35th scale armor, figures
and military vehicles. Hyperscale.com is also a more general model
building site. All of these have forums where you can post questions,
and galleries where you can see other modelers' work. Osprey publishes
an extensive line of model building books, and so does Kalmbach.
Gerald Owens

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Yupie - 25 Sep 2007 11:26 GMT
> Visit armorama.com, track-link.net, and missing-lynx.com, and you'll
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Hi,

thanks for the links, I'll go look at them.

Best regards
cyberborg 4000 - 25 Sep 2007 16:47 GMT
Hi,
I've made some models some years ago, but today I'm wanting to start
again with this hobbie :)  I'm wandering if there's any place where I
can learn more about modeling.  what I recall from my ancient times, was
that I had a lot of problems with the "painting part"...  Right now I've
bough a lot of models in ebay, and I'm about start again.  By the way,
does someone have some kind of suggestion on wich model/ scale should I
try right now?   I've got some models in 1:35 and 1:72 I think 1:35 is
easier, but I'm affraid to start because I don't want to ruin some good
models :|.   I hope there isn't too many errors in the text, but my main
language isn't English.
Best regards

........

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As it's already been said concentrate with models that have fewer parts
to start off.  That way you don't get overwhelmed in all sorts of tiny
detail parts.  Some of which can be extremely difficult for a seasoned
modeler at times.  You said you've got a few in 1/35 scale, I am
guessing they are Armor Kits.  Some Armor Kits can be a lot easier then
other Kits.  My suggestion to you would be to pick a basic Vehicle Type
first like a Truck if you've got one of those
in your pile.  If not then maybe start with the simplest Tank you have.
The one with the least amount of parts.  I am guessing
that you will be building them for your own enjoyment and if that is the
case then you must remember to have lots of FUN while building them.
That's what this hobby is
supposed to be all about, having FUN and learning a little about
History, and pick up some Great Hand and Eye Coordination Skills at the
same time. Another reason I would start with 1/35 is because it is Big
Scale and you have a pretty good size Kit with usually pretty good sized
pieces in it.

I hope some of ths might be a little help to you along the way.  But
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Yupie - 25 Sep 2007 17:37 GMT
> Hi,
> I've made some models some years ago, but today I'm wanting to start
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> My Main Page with My Models and INFOhttp://community.webtv.net/CYBER-BORG-4/ThemodelsIlikethe

Hi,

thanks for answering :)

After all the answers I think I'm in the right place and right hobbie
because I really have a lot of fun when opening the model case,
removing parts from the sprues, the plastic smell :) and of course the
joy ob building something from a lot of tiny parts.

Yes, most of my models (1:35) in the stash are armors and soldiers,
but even if I know that this is easier, I think I'll begin with some
1:72 models, specially because they're more cheap and since I've got
no really great problems (at least until today) in the assembly "part
of the work".

Although I can see that 1:72 should be harder to paint I must learn to
paint in those, 1:35 models cost a lot more ??? and for the risk to
throw them "to garbage" I prefer to spend as little money as possible.

Since my main problem is with painting, can someone please say to me
some links to learn how to paint and/or apply some cool effects to
models? For example, what should I use to get the models with the
"old" (as for age) colors? Is this what people call weathering?

Well sorry for the long message :) and again sorry for possible
mistakes in the language, but this is not my main language.

Best regards
Larry Farrell - 25 Sep 2007 18:00 GMT
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> Since my main problem is with painting, can someone please say to me
> some links to learn how to paint and/or apply some cool effects to
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Weathering

http://home.centurytel.net/~bjepsen/old_article33.htm
http://www.scififantmodmadrealm.com/WeatheringModelswithWashes.html
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCEC0
    This is a video about weathering with an airbrush

Painting

http://www.how-to-air-brush-topia.com/airbrushing-scale-models.html
http://www.paintassistant.com/
http://www.airfieldmodels.com/information_source/construction_materials_for_mode
l_building/finishing_materials.htm


These all came from 5 minutes on Google.

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Professor of Microbiology
Idaho State University

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Yupie - 26 Sep 2007 11:58 GMT
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Well thanks for answering.

I still don't have a airbrush, is it indispensible or can I "learn"
without it? from what I've read in the internet, I think I can "learn"
without it, but what's about your opinion?

About the weathering, thanks for the links.

Best regards,
Larry Farrell - 26 Sep 2007 15:44 GMT
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You can certainly start without an airbrush.  Given that you are
currently working on armor, brush painting is not a major issue, even
if you leave brush marks.  However, you will probably want to get an
airbrush sooner or later.  It makes painting *much* easier and gives
better results.

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Professor of Microbiology
Idaho State University

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Pat Flannery - 26 Sep 2007 17:37 GMT
> You can certainly start without an airbrush.  Given that you are
> currently working on armor, brush painting is not a major issue, even
> if you leave brush marks.  However, you will probably want to get an
> airbrush sooner or later.  It makes painting *much* easier and gives
> better results.

The nice thing about tanks is that the more beat-up they look, the
better. :-)
I've found that painting the tank with oil based paint as its base color
(meaning spray cans can be used rather than a airbrush), then doing all
the wear via water based paints is very effective, as one doesn't have
to worry about a heavy wash affecting the base paint coat. If the wash
tends to bead up on the vehicle, a drop or two of dishwashing soap added
to it will prevent beading.

Pat
maiesm72@netscape.com - 26 Sep 2007 23:42 GMT
Welcome to the madhouse. You'll find lots of helpful advice here.

I would suggest that you start with something that only requires one
color. This allows you to concentrate on paint application without
having to worry about demarcation lines and the like. The brighter the
better! Some of my favorites on the shelf include an all red captured
FW 190, a cute little all yellow Norhtrop GB-1, an all white NASA AV-8
Matador and an all red Lockheed Vega.

Next step when you are a little more experienced would be simple two-
tone subjects. My PT-19 sports a blue fuselage with yellow wings and
horizontal stabilizers and tail. The only difficult part was the
rudder with the red/white/blue stripes, a problem pretty much solved
with a decal.

Once you reach that stage you can handle almost anything. On to two
tone camoflage, three and more and the like. Search around for
weathering kits. I have one for aircraft and another for vehicles as
well as a set from Floquil for both.

Be sure to wash all of the kit parts with warm water and liquid
dishwashing soap to remove any remaining mold release agents and oils
from your fingers. Avoid compex canopies until you have had some
experience. Open cockpit aircraft and armor are good starts. If you
mess a kit up really bad retire it and use it as a pallate for
practicing painting, puttying, masking, sanding, etc.

Watch here for more suggestions from more modelers.

Happy modelng,

Tom
Yupie - 27 Sep 2007 10:50 GMT
On 26 Set, 23:42, "maies...@netscape.com" <maies...@netscape.com>
wrote:
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Hi,

thanks a lot for the answer.
I think I'll use your suggestion. Just have to founf a "one color
armour" :)

I'll have to find those weathering kits, I need to try and learn "step
by step".

Best regards
Yupie - 27 Sep 2007 10:34 GMT
> > You can certainly start without an airbrush.  Given that you are
> > currently working on armor, brush painting is not a major issue, even
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Hi,

thanks for answering.
What you're talking is my main goal with the modeling hobby :), I love
to see the armors with that "old and rust" look, but all the
weathering is a complete mistery for me... I'll have to give it a try.

I suppose this weekend I'll give it a try :)

Best regards
Mad-Modeller - 27 Sep 2007 06:31 GMT
> I still don't have a airbrush, is it indispensible or can I "learn"
> without it? from what I've read in the internet, I think I can "learn"
> without it, but what's about your opinion?

> About the weathering, thanks for the links.

> Best regards,

I haven't owned an airbrush for years.  I lent mine out about 22 years
ago and it's never returned.
I prefer to use well-mixed paints and cover large areas with a wide flat
brush unless I can use a rattle-can colour.  I recommend Humbrols and
Model Master paints if you can get them.  I have no experience with Xtra
colours as they aren't widely available here in N. America.
HTH!

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
 
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