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Model Forum / General / Models / October 2007Revell Lightning
I see that Hannants now have this in stock. Anyone seen one yet? Is it a new tool or is it a re-pop of the old Hasegawa or even Frog kits?  SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. i was told by the local Revell rep about a year ago, its the one its always had, which is a disapointment (got 5 sat on the shelf) > I see that Hannants now have this in stock. Anyone seen one yet? Is it a > new tool or is it a re-pop of the old Hasegawa or even Frog kits? >i was told by the local Revell rep about a year ago, its the one its always >had, which is a disapointment (got 5 sat on the shelf) > >> I see that Hannants now have this in stock. Anyone seen one yet? Is it a >> new tool or is it a re-pop of the old Hasegawa or even Frog kits? that the 1/48 thing? yuck. > >i was told by the local Revell rep about a year ago, its the one its always > >had, which is a disapointment (got 5 sat on the shelf) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > that the 1/48 thing? yuck. I think not. I believe it's the ancient Frog kit after knocking around Eastern Europe for 30 years. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> In article <E3LMi.366271$p7.131147@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, "Jules" > <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. or it's step sister. >>> In article <E3LMi.366271$p7.131147@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, >>> "Jules" [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > or it's step sister. It is definitely the Frog: http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/Inbox/k-m/lightning-revell-i.htm (kim) > >>> In article <E3LMi.366271$p7.131147@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, > >>> "Jules" [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > It is definitely the Frog: http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/Inbox/k-m/lightning-revell-i.htm > (kim) They were so great they had my name on the box :-) > It is definitely the Frog: > > http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/Inbox/k-m/lightning-revell-i.htm What a shame. I definitely wn't be buying it. Not at that price. So, we still don't have a modern kit of the Lightning F6. There is a forthcoming F3 from MPM. So here's a thought. MPM also produce kits for Xtrakits (Hannants own brand). The MPM Meteor FR9 is also the Xtrakits Meteor F8. The forthcoming Sea Vixen will be boxed by MPM as the Mk1 and by Xtrakits as the Mk2. Given that MPM will be producing a Lightning F3, what at the chances of Xtrakits releasing an F6? Careful mould design could ensure that the wings and belly tanks all fit on one sprue. This would allow seperate sprues for the F3 and F6. SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > It is definitely the Frog: > > http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/Inbox/k-m/lightning-revell-i.htm > > That sure looks like the old Hasegawa one I had, right down to the above-wing fuel tanks, and Red Top missiles. Way, way, back I had this very poor model of a Lightning that was molded in silver and predated the Airfix one, at least in its MPC U.S. issue. It also had Red Tops on it, but no wingtop tanks. That may have been a Frog one, although I associate with some Japanese company, and the scale being smaller than 1/72. Pat > > It is definitely the Frog: http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/Inbox/k-m/lightning-revell-i.htm > That sure looks like the old Hasegawa one I had, right down to the > above-wing fuel tanks, and Red Top missiles. no the Revell/Frog is differant to the Hase, compared them both next to each other, could be a updated copy, but there are small differances > Way, way, back I had this very poor model of a Lightning that was molded > in silver and predated the Airfix one, at least in its MPC U.S. issue. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Pat > > no the Revell/Frog is differant to the Hase, compared them both next to each > other, could be a updated copy, but there are small differances What I noticed was that the parts looked very similar but their positions on the sprues was very different. The parts were similar enough to be easily assembled together. Yeah, I 'kitmingled' two of them. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> no the Revell/Frog is differant to the Hase, compared them both next >> to each other, could be a updated copy, but there are small [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. According to this article it's the exact same model in different boxes: http://tinyurl.com/28bbq7 (kim) > >> no the Revell/Frog is differant to the Hase, compared them both next > >> to each other, could be a updated copy, but there are small [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > (kim) nope, had sprus next to each other to compare, like Bills says >> >> no the Revell/Frog is differant to the Hase, compared them both next to each [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. was it revell or monogram that did the 1/48 p38 that was truly godawful bad? i remember starting a second tube of filler and then it ran into super heavy flak over by the window and took 4 88mm shells down the center of the fuselage which cause the ac to disintegrate. by sheer bad luck, a string of 128mm shells"stitched" it in a spotlight convergence. i think the biggest surviving piece was one rudder blade. the rest was razor blades and thevpilot was some red blotches on the bigger pieces. when it hit the ground, it hit the mine field protecting the factory setting of a chain mine explosion. not even the vacum could find much. i really hated that kit! > >> no the Revell/Frog is differant to the Hase, compared them both next to each > >> other, could be a updated copy, but there are small differances [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > of a chain mine explosion. not even the vacum could find much. > i really hated that kit! Thoroughly, obviously. ;) I can't say as I never built a 1/48th P-38. I did build Airfix's really old -J and their P-38F. I built Hasgawa's P-38J and had at one time Revell's -J,L,M and the F-5E kits as well as the Matchbox -J kit. I can honestly say that only Revell's original Willys coupe ever met with intentional destruction whilst in progress. There was a DML XF-22 which 'accidentally' took a bite of the concrete downstairs. Some parts were salvaged although I have no idea what they will be used for - sheet plastic, perhaps. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> >> no the Revell/Frog is differant to the Hase, compared them both next to > each [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. i had several accidental suicides in my build pile. and it took a lot for me to abandon a kit. far more than today because kits represented many hours of work at the davis snack bar. i washed dishes and flipped burgers for vietnam era draftees going through basic. we called them doggies and they were a pain in the a.s. but thier eating portion control frozen GARBAGE kept my motorcycles running and kits a building. i can't remeber the maker, not revell, mono, airfix or other biggie, but there was a 72nd b17g that was a steaming pile. it was my duty to change the fryolater lard once a week. should have been everyday because we cooked chicken, fish, fries, everything in that very poor lard. the night of a change, the 90% complete 17 lost all 4 engines and hit the 400 degree fat. the fat almost bubbled over but didn't and the plane was GONE! not a scrap to be found. the smell was almost beyond description. think od retching maggots.... > I can't say as I never built a 1/48th P-38. I had the Monogram one and didn't have any problem building it; the Revell 1/32nd scale one was a royal pain in the arse to build though. That was in the period when Revell was bringing out 1/32 scale kits as fast as they could, and they all had problems of one sort or another. > I did build Airfix's really > old -J and their P-38F. I built Hasgawa's P-38J and had at one time > Revell's -J,L,M and the F-5E kits as well as the Matchbox -J kit. > I'll always remember the MPC 1/72 scale one because it was the first one I used Testors liquid cement on, and I got sick to my stomach from the fumes. > I can honestly say that only Revell's original Willys coupe ever met > with intentional destruction whilst in progress. I was just finishing up my Monogram 1/72 scale B-36 when I found that Testor's thinner will remove paint from the canopy, but Testor's brush cleaner will eat the plastic. The model ended up being melted down in a coffee can till it was a circular block of plastic. My big Heller model of the Victory ended up coming under heavy French fire in the form of rocks after I managed to superglue my hand down to the hull while rigging it. A botched Monogram LM was sent flying to the antipodes under a weather balloon* (If you are going to secure gold foil covering to a spacecraft, use gel-type superglue, as the regular type runs all over the place.) The only model that ever completely frustrated me to the point of getting tossed across the room despite its simplicity was the Roden PKZ-2 helicopter: http://www.internetmodeler.com/2002/march/aviation/PKZ.htm With super glue this might be pretty easy to do, but with styrene cement it was impossible. :-( * The advantages of working as a FAA weather observer. Pat Interesting. Testors liquid glue always has made me sick to my stomach. I really miss Pactra's. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> It is definitely the Frog: >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > may have been a Frog one, although I associate with some Japanese > company, and the scale being smaller than 1/72. I remember that one from the RiKo ("Richard Kohnstan") catalogue. It was listed as 1/100 and was a Japanese brand. There was also a F-104 and MiG-21 in the same series which I would have bought but for the small scale. (kim) >>> It is definitely the Frog: >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I remember that one from the RiKo ("Richard Kohnstan") catalogue. Good heavens! There's a Blast From The Past! Didn't they also do MiniTanks? SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. >>>> It is definitely the Frog: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Didn't they also do MiniTanks? Probably. Almost every brand that was imported into the UK was distributed by RiKo. (kim) > >>>> It is definitely the Frog: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I think that he's thinking of the ROCO line of armor.... > I remember that one from the RiKo ("Richard Kohnstan") catalogue. It was > listed as 1/100 and was a Japanese brand. There was also a F-104 and MiG-21 > in the same series which I would have bought but for the small scale. > If it was the Eldon one, and the others were as good, you were wise not to buy them. They were very crude kits. I had some others in the Match Kit series (a He-111, Ju-87, Ju-88, Lancaster, B-17, Zero, Fokker D-7 and a few others I don't remember) scale was determined by what would fit in the over-sized matchbook, so all the models were about the same size. The fact that they were sold at our local Holiday gas station didn't exactly argue in their favor either. Pat > It is definitely the Frog: > > http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/Inbox/k-m/lightning-revell-i.htm Okay, here we go: http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/Reviews/60s/lightningf6.htm The Hasegawa one is the same as the Frog one as they both were marketing it simultaneously. I think the other one I remembered was a Eldon Match Kit model of a Lightning F.2. Pat Pat > i was told by the local Revell rep about a year ago, its the one its > always had, which is a disapointment (got 5 sat on the shelf) That's a shame. The moulds for that must be nearly 40 years old. I have to wonder at the pricing for the kit. It costs a tenner. If it was priced at a fiver I might be willing to buy one simply to graft the belly tank and wing leading edges on to the forthcomng MPM kit but I'm not willing to pay a tenner for spare parts. SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. >> i was told by the local Revell rep about a year ago, its the one its >> always had, which is a disapointment (got 5 sat on the shelf) > > That's a shame. The moulds for that must be nearly 40 years old. I had the Frog (Penguin) MiG 21 when it was new and the mould looked like it was completely shot back then! It was a shame as Frog made some important types not covered by Airfix at the time. (kim) > >> i was told by the local Revell rep about a year ago, its the one its > >> always had, which is a disapointment (got 5 sat on the shelf) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > (kim) Frog Penguin kits were long gone when the MiG-21 first flew. The Frog MiG-21 was the Hasegawa kit. Tom > > >> i was told by the local Revell rep about a year ago, its the one its > > >> always had, which is a disapointment (got 5 sat on the shelf) [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Tom I have a few of the Hase kits too. dont know why...just do. >>>> i was told by the local Revell rep about a year ago, its the one >>>> its always had, which is a disapointment (got 5 sat on the shelf) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Frog Penguin kits were long gone when the MiG-21 first flew. The Frog > MiG-21 was the Hasegawa kit. I'd never even heard of Hasegawa in 1968. Frog were still owned by Triang-Rovex at the time. (kim) > Frog Penguin kits were long gone when the MiG-21 first flew. The Frog > MiG-21 was the Hasegawa kit. > Which wasn't much to get excited about in its own right. Pat > I had the Frog (Penguin) MiG 21 when it was new and the mould looked like it > was completely shot back then! It was a shame as Frog made some important > types not covered by Airfix at the time. > > Frog had one? Airfix had one out shortly after the design became known. Pat >> I had the Frog (Penguin) MiG 21 when it was new and the mould looked >> like it was completely shot back then! It was a shame as Frog made >> some important types not covered by Airfix at the time. > > Frog had one? Airfix had one out shortly after the design became > known. Not until 1967 according to this list... http://airfixcollector.co.uk/airfix_complete_kit_catalogue_re.htm ...but for whatever reason my favourite model shop had only the Frog kit in stock in 1968 when I bought mine. From reading reviews I think it was the same one marketed by Revell until recently with wings that didn't mate with the fuselage properly? And it was twice the price of Airfix! (kim) > Not until 1967 according to this list... > > http://airfixcollector.co.uk/airfix_complete_kit_catalogue_re.htm > The first time people first knew it was the delta, not swept-wing, MiG-21 that was being mass produced, was due to it's use in the 1963 Arab-Israili war. It had been seen at Soviet airshows but everyone though it was the swept-wing "Faceplate" that had been selected for mass production. No one got a really good look at one till the 1967 Arab-Israili war. > ...but for whatever reason my favourite model shop had only the Frog kit in > stock in 1968 when I bought mine. From reading reviews I think it was the > same one marketed by Revell until recently with wings that didn't mate with > the fuselage properly? And it was twice the price of Airfix! > It may well have been the Hasegawa one being co-produced by Frog; like I said, it was a pretty crude kit of a MiG-21F early model like the Airfix one. Neither it or the Airfix one was very good, but the Airfix was probably the lesser of two evils, as it was a bit more detailed looking. The interesting one was the IMC version of a MiG-21PF, which gave you the option of showing the aircraft after a missile hit with the pilot ejecting: http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/viet/russian/mig21dpreview.htm The Revell of Germany version is apparently a new molding, and it has a _lot_ more parts than the early Hasegawa one: http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/korean/preview/revell/4346preview.htm Pat >> Not until 1967 according to this list... >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > ejecting: > http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/viet/russian/mig21dpreview.htm I don't remember that one but I do remember other IMC kits, especially the bullet-ridden A4. They cost quite a lot more than a dollar by the time they reached England. My walk to school took me past a shop that specialised in American imports such as Monogram and Aurora so I spent a lot of time looking in the shop window. (kim) > I don't remember that one but I do remember other IMC kits, especially the > bullet-ridden A4. They had a Super Sabre, RF-4C Phantom II, and Skyraider as well as the Skyhawk and MiG-21 The Skyraider had a transparent molded plastic "spinning" prop included, witch didn't look as good as the transparent sheet plastic discs that MPC used. Pat > > I don't remember that one but I do remember other IMC kits, especially the > > bullet-ridden A4. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Pat IMC's MiG was the same oversize as Hasegawa's. IIRC, it came in around 1/70th. The IMC F-100 was a copy of the old 1/69th Revell 'C' and the RF-4 was a copy of the Revell kit with a recon nose added. Somewhere in my info archives I have an Al S post about the Skyraider's origins. I really should organise all that info. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> > I don't remember that one but I do remember other IMC kits, especially the >> > bullet-ridden A4. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. and share it. > IMC's MiG was the same oversize as Hasegawa's. IIRC, it came in around > 1/70th. The IMC MiG-21 was the later version with the larger nose intake (MiG-21PF), while the Hasegawa one had the smaller intake like the Airfix one (MiG-21F). I assume the Frog one was also a F. That RG kit was the first decent 1/72 scale model of the early version. Pat > It may well have been the Hasegawa one being co-produced by Frog; > like I said, it was a pretty crude kit of a MiG-21F early model like [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > _lot_ more parts than the early Hasegawa one: > http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/korean/preview/revell/4346preview.htm The RoG MiG-21F *is* a new mould. It is a very fine kit indeed! SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > > It may well have been the Hasegawa one being co-produced by Frog; > > like I said, it was a pretty crude kit of a MiG-21F early model like [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > The RoG MiG-21F *is* a new mould. It is a very fine kit indeed! not new, couple of years old, built it, fantastic kit, apart from the drop tank, and the front wheel/tyre... >>> It may well have been the Hasegawa one being co-produced by Frog; >>> like I said, it was a pretty crude kit of a MiG-21F early model like [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> > not new, couple of years old Well, yeh... that's when I built mine. I picked it up from Hannants the day after the received their stock! >, built it, fantastic kit, apart from the > drop tank, and the front wheel/tyre... What are the problems with those? SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > >>> It may well have been the Hasegawa one being co-produced by Frog; > >>> like I said, it was a pretty crude kit of a MiG-21F early model like [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >>> Revell of Germany version is apparently a new molding, and it has a > >>> _lot_ more parts than the early Hasegawa one: http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/korean/preview/revell/4346preview.htm > >> The RoG MiG-21F *is* a new mould. It is a very fine kit indeed! > >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > What are the problems with those? i never used the drop tank, but some mag said it was the wrong shape and terrible fit the front tyre wheel, the daft lines moulded on, but worst of all, depth of tyre/wheel is totally wrong..i should know, got stacks of fotos of the real thing that i touched...even in small scale it stands out like a sore thumb 10quid? geez......i have about 50 lightnings, inc the MPC nice boxed Airfix kits, at least, i even had the Frog P1A? until one time i was sooooo skint i had to sell it. If you want a couple of the old boxed revell kits cheap let me know, there still in storage at the mo. but should be back in a couple of weeks once the workmen have finnished in the house > > i was told by the local Revell rep about a year ago, its the one its > > always had, which is a disapointment (got 5 sat on the shelf) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > leading edges on to the forthcomng MPM kit but I'm not willing to pay a > tenner for spare parts. Which scale? I think they made ones from 1/144 up to 1/32. > I see that Hannants now have this in stock. Anyone seen one yet? Is it a > new tool or is it a re-pop of the old Hasegawa or even Frog kits? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. he means 72nd > Which scale? I think they made ones from 1/144 up to 1/32. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > > I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > Which scale? I think they made ones from 1/144 up to 1/32. My apologies. I should have made that clear. I meant 1/72. SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. >> Which scale? I think they made ones from 1/144 up to 1/32. > >My apologies. I should have made that clear. I meant 1/72. also a crappy kit. Wasn't it pretty much a scaled down version of the 1/32 kit? I remember it had all the removable panels & internal extras. On Oct 3, 12:15 pm, some...@some.domain wrote: > In article <GNOdnceDL_9fWp7anZ2dneKdnZydn...@giganews.com>, "Enzo Matrix" <enz...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Which scale? I think they made ones from 1/144 up to 1/32. > > >My apologies. I should have made that clear. I meant 1/72. > > also a crappy kit. > Wasn't it pretty much a scaled down version of the 1/32 kit? I > remember it had all the removable panels & internal extras. ?? your not thinking of the WW2 one are you, were on about the EE Lightning, the jet one > On Oct 3, 12:15 pm, some...@some.domain wrote: > > In article <GNOdnceDL_9fWp7anZ2dneKdnZydn...@giganews.com>, "Enzo Matrix" <enz...@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > also a crappy kit. > > Wasn't it pretty much a scaled down version of the 1/32 kit? I > > remember it had all the removable panels & internal extras. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Is the subject the P-38 Lightning or the English Electric (BAC) Lghtning? Tom > Is the subject the P-38 Lightning or the English Electric (BAC) > Lghtning? The EE Lightning http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=RV4301 SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. - > Is the subject the P-38 Lightning or the English Electric (BAC) > Lghtning? > > Tom I just wondered when somebody would ask this! Pat Macguire >> Which scale? I think they made ones from 1/144 up to 1/32. > > My apologies. I should have made that clear. I meant 1/72. The word "Frog" was a clue. Originally made by Rovex! (kim) > >> Which scale? I think they made ones from 1/144 up to 1/32. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > (kim) Rovex was the parent company for the Frog label for several years. Tom |
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