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Looking for "plumbing" onfo on a Dodge 426 Hemi engine

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Peter W. - 03 Oct 2007 20:16 GMT
I am building the Revell 1:6 scale model of this engine. Simliar to
http://www.revell.com/catalog/products/Plymouth_426_Hemi_Cuda-965-8.html
but I have the older version (1964?) which had a round chrome air
cleaner, not the shaker scoop.  It has dual carbs.

I'm trying to add details to this model but I have never been that
intimate with a 426 Hemi.
I have found some good reference photos on the web and I already added
bunch of bolt castings, remounted the distributor and detailed the
alternator.
I also replaced kit's PCV and  Vacuum Advance hoses and the PCV valve
with more realistic looking parts.  I also replaced the fuel lines and
added a throttle lever return spring.

But I can't find any good info on the rear part of the engine.  And
the kit has some odd parts in it. FIrst there are 2 black lines (metal
on the real engine?) which go from the back of the intake mainfold to
the end of the right header.  What are those for?  Are they supposed
to be there?

Next is a white plastic part which looks like either metal or plastic
hose/tube.  It is called choke control tube and it connect from the
choke activator on the side of the rear  carb to the end of right
exhaust manifold.  Is that correct?  Is it a metal or plastic piece on
the real engine?  Is it supposed to be painted white?

I've seen many electric choke controls and mechanical (bi-metal)
controls. Those usually sense the intake manifold's temperature. I
never seen one attached to the exhaust header via a tube

Any info will be appreciated.
Peteski
mike - 04 Oct 2007 01:57 GMT
> I've seen many electric choke controls and mechanical (bi-metal)
> controls. Those usually sense the intake manifold's temperature. I
> never seen one attached to the exhaust header via a tube

Not a big fan of the Mopar, but can clue you in on old Fords.

They used a steel tube going from the manifold, to the choke.
As the gas heated the spring, the idle speed cam would
drop, slowing the idle rpm. What wasn't obvious, was
that the spring also moved a small piston in the choke
housing itself, which cut off that flow of hot exhaust gas
that was ported to the butterflys, gas that heated the
area on Autolite carbs to prevent icing and help
atomize the cold gas.

This was in addition to the small exhaust crossover in the
intake  manifold that would warm the bottom intake plenum area.

If all was adjusted right, would give faster pulloff than
manifold coil that Chevys used, or hotwater types.
Downside was it the motor ran really rich, would
soot up, then do a rotten job at pulling the choke
off in a reasonable time.

Now some mopars used a heat riser, that would valve the flow
of gas to the intake crossover, and out the other manifold.
that big crossover would also heat the choke spring, so
would pull off much faster than the Chevy, maybe a little
quicker than the Ford. Bad thing was, those risers would
stick, and really mess things up, like choke coming off
_very_ slow if stuck open, and if closed, would always
route exhaust gas to the crossover and not out the manifold,
and engine would run poorly, and overheat even.

Many guys used to wire them open, or removed altogether
if headers were on, and live with a cold blooded engine.

For the other tube, were you talking about the larger preheat
hose that went to the aircleaner? That heated air also helped
with preventing bogging in the cold

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mike
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Count DeMoney - 04 Oct 2007 03:30 GMT
You might take a look at this.  There is lots of info here

classichemi.com
Peter W. - 04 Oct 2007 07:54 GMT
> > I've seen many electric choke controls and mechanical (bi-metal)
> > controls. Those usually sense the intake manifold's temperature. I
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> mike
> **

Mike, your explanaton makes sense.  So, the connection between the
manifold and carburator is a steel line.

The other 2 tubes originate in the same general area of the same
exhaust manifold as the choke tube.  They are routed to the back of
the intake manifold.  Again, your explanation seems to make sense.  If
a butterfly is closed in the cold exhaust manifold that could route
the exhaust  through the intake manifold  and back out beyond the
closed butterfly.  The butterfly mechanism is represented on the model
as a part that looks like half of a metal disc.

Count DeMoney: that website is very informative but it only covers the
earlier Hemis (which have a different layout).  426 is a newer design.

Thank you both!
Peteski
 
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