Profile Aircraft Kits from the 1970's - Anyone got info on them?
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crw59@earthlink.net - 06 Oct 2007 08:38 GMT I have some vague memory of them. the boxes were white with profile box art of the subject.
can anyone offer info on them? Who made them? list of subjects??
thx - Craig
dancho - 06 Oct 2007 12:18 GMT > I have some vague memory of them. the boxes were white with profile > box art of the subject. > > can anyone offer info on them? Who made them? list of subjects?? > > thx - Craig You're thinking of MPC Profile Series. Here's one on ebay:
http://www.tiny.cc/Qm6Wr
The Old Man - 06 Oct 2007 12:20 GMT On Oct 6, 3:38 am, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I have some vague memory of them. the boxes were white with profile > box art of the subject. > > can anyone offer info on them? Who made them? list of subjects?? > > thx - Craig Here's a start. MPC made them, and most, if not all, were Airfix re- pops. I guess (though could be wrong) that the major difference was that the included decals for three different aircraft, different units or aces. I have a few in my stash and wind up using them as a basis when I do a kitbash. Word of note, the aforementioned decals are typical MPC - they usually (by this point in time) tend to fall off the backing when handled. As they are the main selling point for the kit, well, you catch my point.
someone@some.domain - 06 Oct 2007 16:48 GMT >On Oct 6, 3:38 am, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote: >> I have some vague memory of them. the boxes were white with profile [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >(by this point in time) tend to fall off the backing when handled. As >they are the main selling point for the kit, well, you catch my point. some of them had silly "fantasy" decals which was a bizzare idea.
The Old Man - 06 Oct 2007 20:27 GMT On Oct 6, 11:48 am, some...@some.domain wrote:
> In article <1191669657.891491.206...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, The Old Man <Braung...@verizon.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Not the "Profiles" series. The fantasy decals were included in the regular MPC/Airfix issues, along with the chrome-plated "customizing" parts. I have a bunch of those as well. It was bizarre, the customizing sprue included a 3-blade prop with a removable spinner even in the jet kits.
Jules - 06 Oct 2007 20:52 GMT > On Oct 6, 11:48 am, some...@some.domain wrote: > > In article <1191669657.891491.206...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, The Old Man <Braung...@verizon.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > customizing sprue included a 3-blade prop with a removable spinner > even in the jet kits. i have/had the airfix/mpc ee Lightning with crazy decals and IIRC some extra wierd plastic bits.
Pat Flannery - 07 Oct 2007 02:49 GMT > Not the "Profiles" series. The fantasy decals were included in the > regular MPC/Airfix issues, along with the chrome-plated "customizing" > parts. I have a bunch of those as well. It was bizarre, the > customizing sprue included a 3-blade prop with a removable spinner > even in the jet kits. > I always was trying to track down off of which kit each of those particular parts was from; one of them was a British style vented exhaust pipe and others British style bombs that looked like they came off of a WW II British medium bomber kit. Then there were the rockets that looked like they came off of a Hawker Typhoon, a direction-finding loop and "football", and some other parts I don't remember. I was digging around for a photo of those parts on the web and found three of the Profile kits; the Ju-88A4, He-177, and A-26B/C: http://www.cahood.com/M8469.htm http://www.cahood.com/M8479.htm http://www.cahood.com/mpc2003.jpg IIRC, there was a B-24 in this series also.
Pat
Pat Flannery - 07 Oct 2007 01:51 GMT > Word of note, the aforementioned decals are typical MPC - they usually > (by this point in time) tend to fall off the backing when handled. As > they are the main selling point for the kit, well, you catch my point. > Remember the MPC ones where they were all printed on one sheet of decal film and had to be individually cut out of it? Those were fun. At least they were better than those Airfix ones that would shatter when you tried to slide off the backing sheet.
Pat
frank - 07 Oct 2007 02:46 GMT At least the instructions said to cut as close to the edge of the marking as possible.
> > Word of note, the aforementioned decals are typical MPC - they usually > > (by this point in time) tend to fall off the backing when handled. As [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Pat Mad-Modeller - 07 Oct 2007 04:20 GMT > > Word of note, the aforementioned decals are typical MPC - they usually > > (by this point in time) tend to fall off the backing when handled. As [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Pat As I remember the MPC decs they were stiff as boards, wouldn't settle onto the model and within 6 months flaked off. Those which I bought and built received decals from Micro/Superscale or anything better. Aside from that, most of the kits included markings that were inappropriate for the version represented by the kit. (shades or Revell re-issues!)
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
someone@some.domain - 07 Oct 2007 04:49 GMT >> > Word of note, the aforementioned decals are typical MPC - they usually >> > (by this point in time) tend to fall off the backing when handled. As [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. didn't they do those fanatsy abortions, too?
Mad-Modeller - 07 Oct 2007 05:24 GMT > >> > Word of note, the aforementioned decals are typical MPC - they usually > >> > (by this point in time) tend to fall off the backing when handled. As [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > didn't they do those fanatsy abortions, too? As in, a 'customised' airplane? Yup! The SM.79 came with psychedelic decals and custom parts. As Tom says below, the parts were good to fill up the spares box, chromed or not. I used some of those props on vacforms and other parts have been used in a lot of places MPC probably never considered. I'm guessing MPC tried that as a way to entice kids to buy more airplane kits that they wouldn't have otherwise.
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
One of those 9.5%-ers.
someone@some.domain - 07 Oct 2007 05:30 GMT >> >> > Word of note, the aforementioned decals are typical MPC - they usually >> >> > (by this point in time) tend to fall off the backing when handled. As [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >One of those 9.5%-ers. yeah, sounds like. i built the sm79 as a frieghter. it looked like one and you could bash it to look ok. some of the kits weren't bad, if you got real decals. never had a chromer. was it good chrome?
Pat Flannery - 07 Oct 2007 06:30 GMT > Yup! The SM.79 came with psychedelic > decals and custom parts. > "We all live in a trimotor torpedo bomber, trimotor torpedo bomber, trimotor torpedo bomber. As we fly across the Med, we suspect Il Duce's dead. But we fly on anyway, in our Sparviero, come what may." :-) I'd been trying to forget that period of model kits, but now it returns. Yes, I saw one of those goofy SM.79's at a grocery store back then. "Hey, you Mod Modelers! Dig this Fab Fascist Fun Flyer!" The Vietnam War had made military models about as salable as rusty razor blades, and the model companies were trying anything and everything to keep from going bankrupt. It hit some sort of apex here: http://www.oldmodelkits.com/index.php?detail=8982 When you are riding inside the liquid hydrogen tank, it's bound to be interesting. ...and here: http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/SpacePursuitBoxArt.jpg Yep, the notorious "Saturn's Ring" mob which used to raid unsuspecting space stations from their secret rocket base...inside of a extinct volcano no doubt. Leader of the mob, and pack also: http://www.ratfink.org/contest/images/rf2000.gif What does "R.F." really stand for? In this time period it meant "Revell's F**ked". :-D
Pat
Mad-Modeller - 08 Oct 2007 05:51 GMT Pat typed out:
> It hit some sort of apex here: > http://www.oldmodelkits.com/index.php?detail=8982 > When you are riding inside the liquid hydrogen tank, it's bound to be > interesting. A friend in the secondhand kit biz had me check his for any missing parts. It was surprisingly detailed for a kiddie kit.
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Pat Flannery - 08 Oct 2007 13:51 GMT > A friend in the secondhand kit biz had me check his for any missing > parts. It was surprisingly detailed for a kiddie kit. > It wasn't a kiddie kit to begin with, you get your hands on one of those and you are looking at a particular and fascinating part of American history - the after-effects of the Werner von Braun articles in Collier's magazine. "Solaris" was originally the "Helios" Moonship that used a nuclear upper stage to land a astronaut crew on the Moon, protecting its crew module from the radiation of its engine by dragging it along behind it from around 1,000 feet ahead via cables: http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3aj.html
Pat
> Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. Mad-Modeller - 09 Oct 2007 04:09 GMT > > A friend in the secondhand kit biz had me check his for any missing > > parts. It was surprisingly detailed for a kiddie kit. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Pat I learn something new almost every time I log on here. Thanks!
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Pat Flannery - 09 Oct 2007 09:55 GMT > I learn something new almost every time I log on here. Thanks! > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > The "Space Pursuit" one had the Krafft Ehricke Convair space shuttle design in it: http://fantastic-plastic.com/CONVAIR%20SPACE%20SHUTTLE%20PAGE.htm As well as the top section of the XSL-01 Moon Rocket: http://fantastic-plastic.com/XSL-01%20MOON%20SHIP%20PAGE.htm http://fantastic-plastic.com/REVELL%20MOON%20SHIP%20PAGE.htm The landing skid on the model was retractable; once retracted, it was virtually impossible to lower it again without breaking it. I contacted Hawk Models, and they say if they can find the molds they will reissue this model: http://fantastic-plastic.com/CONVAIR%20ATLAS%20MOL%20PAGE.htm This was a serous proposal on Convair's part, and the company made a very large model of it which they showed to the Air Force, there's some details of it here: http://website.lineone.net/~geowood/artists.htm
Pat
maiesm72@netscape.com - 07 Oct 2007 05:13 GMT > > > Word of note, the aforementioned decals are typical MPC - they usually > > > (by this point in time) tend to fall off the backing when handled. As [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. The three bladed prop with seperate spinner in the set of chrome parts were from the Airfix P-40E. I just used two of them for a couple of Yak-11 conversions. Cut down slightly they work fine, too bad that I had to sand off the chrome. This Yak has a P&W R-2000 with a modified prop from a Grumman Tracker and seven exhaust stubs on each side. The original Yak-11 had two exhaust stubs under the fuselage at the aft end of the cowling.
This is my first attempt at doing chrome. The canopy frame, panel behind the exhaust stubs, landing gear doors, forward 1/3 of the cowling and edges of the prop blades are chrome. The rest of the plane is gloss black. I'm doing one basic model for the owner and one detailed model for myself. The Aeroteam kit's interior is pretty crude, so I'm using etched metal Entropy and Interavia detail parts, Elf wheels with rubber tires and a vacuform canopy from my own MAI kit #001, long out of production. The engine is from a Revell Grumman F4F Wildcat suitably altered and detailed for both models.
Markings are quite a variety. Personal markings (BLYAK with a Bullwinkel Moose on the left side of the cowling) and registration NX242IX are complicated red/yellow reduced from color photos and printed on decal stock. Large yelllow 711 on tail is done in the same manner. Yellow outlined red stars from CAM, red lightning stripe outlined in yellow on fuselage side made from Microscale red stock and yellow strping from one of their HO RR sheets.
Last details are Pratt & Whitney decals for the cowlng and Hamlton Standard decals for the prop. These are really tine. Any suggestions? I have hundreds of after market decals, so I probable have them.
Just goes to show that one never knows when a seemnigly useless part such as the chrome stuff in the MPC/Airfix kits can come in handy.
Cheers,
Tom
Pat Flannery - 07 Oct 2007 05:35 GMT > As I remember the MPC decs they were stiff as boards, wouldn't settle > onto the model and within 6 months flaked off. The carrier film was very thick and wouldn't allow detail to show through no matter how hard you pressed down on the decal while it was drying. On the upside, they were flat finish which was good for military aircraft. But they were so thick that they looked like peel-and-stick markings used on toys. Airfix's decals were so bad that they would drive kit reviewers into fits of rage during the late 60's and early 70's in Scale Modeler magazine, and might well have had something to do with the development of after market decals due to their complete unusability on the finished model. People who tried to use Solvset on Monogram decals back then were in for a surprise also, as it dissolved their pigments.
> Those which I bought and > built received decals from Micro/Superscale or anything better. > Aside from that, most of the kits included markings that were > inappropriate for the version represented by the kit. (shades or Revell > re-issues!) > Particularly the two-in-one box kits that contained only national markings...minus swastikas of course.
Pat
Mad-Modeller - 08 Oct 2007 05:51 GMT > > As I remember the MPC decs they were stiff as boards, wouldn't settle > > onto the model and within 6 months flaked off. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Pat Those were handy for using up some of those extra decal sets. :)
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
frank - 07 Oct 2007 12:00 GMT I remember that. Maybe that's why the B-17 decals were opaque, they tried something different to do them thinner. I think some worked, some didn't. I remember a tip in one of my first mail order catalogs, Miniature Aircaft, from Indiana, maybe? Anyway, the tip was something like, "If you're having trouble getting MPC decals to stick to your model, mix a few drops of Elmer's Glue in the water."
> > > Word of note, the aforementioned decals are typical MPC - they usually > > > (by this point in time) tend to fall off the backing when handled. As [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. Mad-Modeller - 08 Oct 2007 05:57 GMT > I remember that. Maybe that's why the B-17 decals were opaque, > they tried something different to do them thinner. I think some > worked, some didn't. I remember a tip in one of my first mail order > catalogs, Miniature Aircaft, from Indiana, maybe? Anyway, the tip was > something like, "If you're having trouble getting MPC decals to stick > to your model, mix a few drops of Elmer's Glue in the water." First time I learned that trick it was from our Richard Marmo in his column in the short-lived (hope I remember this title rightly) "Popular Aviation". He was reviewing Monogram's 1/72 Skyraider.
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
frank - 07 Oct 2007 00:52 GMT Here are some off the top of my head: Wellington P-39 P-38 SH-3 F-4 F4U F4F P-51D A-7 F-111 P-61 B-29 B-24 B-17 Lancaster Spitfire Hurricane (I think) OS2U (I think)
I have most, if not all of them, as I bought up a bunch from eBay over the years for collecting. The Profile Series was among my first model kits I built in the early '70s. They're all Airfix molds & yes, the decals are crappy & the USCG SH-3 is incorrect, period.
On Oct 6, 2:38 am, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I have some vague memory of them. the boxes were white with profile > box art of the subject. > > can anyone offer info on them? Who made them? list of subjects?? > > thx - Craig frank - 07 Oct 2007 00:54 GMT Ah, also, the Wellington box was yellow & the SH-3 box was light blue. I don't recall if the others were anything but white, & the premise was that they were tied in to profiles seen in the Aircraft Profile line of booklets of the early '70s.
On Oct 6, 2:38 am, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I have some vague memory of them. the boxes were white with profile > box art of the subject. > > can anyone offer info on them? Who made them? list of subjects?? > > thx - Craig The Old Man - 07 Oct 2007 01:46 GMT > Ah, also, the Wellington box was yellow & the SH-3 box was light > blue. I don't recall if the others were anything but white, & the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > - Show quoted text - eBay showed a B-26 Marauder with a yellow box as well.
frank - 07 Oct 2007 02:44 GMT Yep, forgot the B-26.They also did: A-26 P-47 SBD He 111 Stuka (I think) FW 190D (I think) B-25 (Not only decal options, but all 3 noses, too) Ju 52 P-40 (I think)
> > Ah, also, the Wellington box was yellow & the SH-3 box was light > > blue. I don't recall if the others were anything but white, & the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Pat Flannery - 07 Oct 2007 03:03 GMT > FW 190D (I think) > They did that one; I had it.
Pat
frank - 07 Oct 2007 03:17 GMT > > FW 190D (I think) > > They did that one; I had it. > > Pat frank - 07 Oct 2007 03:18 GMT Forgot the Ju 88 & He 177. Just remembered the DC-3/C-47 & PBY.
> > FW 190D (I think) > > They did that one; I had it. > > Pat someone@some.domain - 07 Oct 2007 04:46 GMT > Forgot the Ju 88 & He 177. Just remembered the DC-3/C-47 & PBY. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> Pat and the halibag, too.
frank - 07 Oct 2007 03:30 GMT I remember doing the Lanc, B-25, B-17, B-24 & B-29, DC-3/C-47, P-51, P-39, Ju 52, He 177 & A-26, A-7, F-4 & F-111 & SH-3. The Lanc got done as the prototype, B-25 OD & gray, B-17 the same, maybe some tan camo. I remember its decals were opaque. P-51 was Lou IV, Ju 52 had that squiggle camo, P-39 was camo'd, B-24 & B-29 were silver, C-47 was the AC-47, He 177 had the green camo w/gray splotches, A-26 was OD & silver & the PBY got done in the overall blue postwar SAR scheme. The F-4, F-111 & A-7 got SEA camo, the SH-3 got the blue scheme. I remember doing the P-38, but I can't recall the scheme.
> > FW 190D (I think) > > They did that one; I had it. > > Pat
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