On Oct 13, 2:27?pm, some...@some.domain wrote:
> In article <1192301530.536916.174...@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, AMPS...@aol.com wrote:
> >OOPS! Before anyone asks yes, the officer is holding a Walther P-38
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> gee, let's have the people who have never made a mistake speak up......
> i think you're covered, cookie. besides, walther was a better gun, imnsho.
>From what I recall the Luger (SP on the one above - when you're having
a bad day go all the way!) was a better gun but not as user friendly.
My father indicated that friends of his told him that mid to late war
P-38s had a problem with the locking pin being weak and the pin
failing, causing the slide to come off with nasty results. Modern P-1s
back to the old standards.
Cookie Sewell
someone@some.domain - 13 Oct 2007 22:30 GMT
>On Oct 13, 2:27?pm, some...@some.domain wrote:
>> In article <1192301530.536916.174...@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
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>Cookie Sewell
you can fix the old guns fairly easily. but they were scary.
kim - 14 Oct 2007 00:51 GMT
> On Oct 13, 2:27?pm, some...@some.domain wrote:
>> In article <1192301530.536916.174...@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
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> P-38s had a problem with the locking pin being weak and the pin
> failing, causing the slide to come off with nasty results.
Old Lugers have a similar problem with the toggle becoming weak with metal
fatigue. I'm told it's also possible to accidentally reassemble a Walther
P38 without the locking pin altogether with equally disastrous results.
(kim)
Pat Flannery - 14 Oct 2007 21:20 GMT
> Old Lugers have a similar problem with the toggle becoming weak with metal
> fatigue. I'm told it's also possible to accidentally reassemble a Walther
> P38 without the locking pin altogether with equally disastrous results.
>
That's gotta hurt! I almost took the top of my thumb off once by using a
bad two-handed grip on a .45 Colt, and having the slide run into it on
the way back.
For real fun, read up on the wonderful, horrible, Mars pistol - a
complex monster of a gun noted for kicking like a mule, and ejecting the
hot spent cartridge case directly into the user's face:
http://www.horstheld.com/0-Mars.htm
Still, the bullets came out of the barrel going like a bat out of hell,
in the .45 version going at 1,250 fps vs. the Colt's 885 fps.
Pat
Pat Flannery - 14 Oct 2007 20:55 GMT
> >From what I recall the Luger (SP on the one above - when you're having
> a bad day go all the way!) was a better gun but not as user friendly.
> My father indicated that friends of his told him that mid to late war
> P-38s had a problem with the locking pin being weak and the pin
> failing, causing the slide to come off with nasty results. Modern P-1s
> back to the old standards.
I've fired WW II examples of both the P08 and P38, and much preferred
the P38.
The Luger's toggle action makes it recoil in a odd manner- it recoils
backwards as expected, but also has a peculiar up-and-down motion due to
the mass of the moving toggle system that occurs at the same time.
This means that it's hard to keep it on target between shots and makes
rapidly firing accurately with it in a difficult without a lot of
practice. In fact, the old broom-handle C96 Mauser pistol is easier to
fire rapidly in a accurate manner.
The P38 on the other hand is very simple to learn to use, and fires a
very accurate pattern with almost no practice.
That, combined with the inherent safety of of the double action system
makes it a really exceptional pistol.
If you do run into a WW II P38 for sale you might be wise to figure out
some way to fire it remotely for the first few shots.
The Germans modified some ones they thought might be captured by placing
explosives under the handgrips that would detonate when the pistol was
fired.
I don't know what would happen if you tried to remove the handgrips on
one that had been booby-trapped like that, but you might want it to
someone who knew about this in detail.
Pat