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Is ebay only for idiots these days?

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crw59@earthlink.net - 30 Oct 2007 16:57 GMT
had two auctions close in just the past week, won by people who can't
read.

I clearly stated that I ship to the Continental USA only.   One winner
wants it shipped to Central America and the other wants it to go to
Puerto Rico.

I quit selling here for a long time hoping this stuff would stop. I
guess its back to the forums to sell kits.

Now I have to deal with ebay to get refunds, send nasty warning
emails, do the second chance offers...

Craig
Tony Gartshore - 30 Oct 2007 17:54 GMT
> had two auctions close in just the past week, won by people who can't
> read.
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>
> Craig

Purely out of interest, why do so many US Ebayers refuse to ship
overseas?  Is it because of dodgy payments? Or does the US postal
service make it difficult ?

T.
Jules - 30 Oct 2007 18:07 GMT
> > had two auctions close in just the past week, won by people who can't
> > read.
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>
> T.

i hate that too, they say its too much effort, or dont know how to do
it...90% of what i have ever bought has been from the US or overseas.
someone@some.domain - 30 Oct 2007 18:11 GMT
>> had two auctions close in just the past week, won by people who can't
>> read.
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>
>T.

all that and more. one clown broke a turntable and wanted it replaced with me
paying postage. he even said he broke it and i was responsible for his doing
so. goodbye france and the eu.
crw59@earthlink.net - 30 Oct 2007 18:20 GMT
On Oct 30, 10:11 am, some...@some.domain wrote:
> In article <MPG.2191722dc7e2cbd5989...@news.plus.net>, Tony Gartshore <blo...@bloggs.biz> wrote:
> >In article <1193759849.049269.213...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>, crw59
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> - Show quoted text -

I just don't want any more hassles than ebay adds all by itself. If
the auction states the sale terms, and someone bids knowing that they
can't meet the requirements, then I'm gonna get pissed.  Why they
don't read it, who knows?

Craig
someone@some.domain - 30 Oct 2007 21:01 GMT
>On Oct 30, 10:11 am, some...@some.domain wrote:
>> In article <MPG.2191722dc7e2cbd5989...@news.plus.net>, Tony Gartshore
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>
>Craig

yeah, people used to say americans don't read signs. reality is that people
are not obsevant and expect things explained simply. seems universal but the
brits are at least polite.
sadly, my worst has been with the french. no offense to our excellent
frenchman here.
Rufus - 30 Oct 2007 20:13 GMT
>> had two auctions close in just the past week, won by people who can't
>> read.
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>
> T.

...not sure that you don't have to obtain an export license if you are
going to do that on a regular basis (more than a certain number, certain
value, etc.).  Not worth the hassle, IMO.

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     - Rufus

Stephen Tontoni - 31 Oct 2007 07:47 GMT
> > had two auctions close in just the past week, won by people who can't
> > read.
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>
> T.

Mostly it's inertia. It's easier to ship within the US than out. That
doesn't explain the why of it ... just the what.

I haven't sold my own stuff for a while, but I thought it was really fun
to send to other countries. I'm a kid like that, I guess.

---- Stephen
Jules - 31 Oct 2007 10:20 GMT
> > > had two auctions close in just the past week, won by people who can't
> > > read.
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> ---- Stephen

i couldnt have got my collection of Revell/Lindenberg  Caprice/Impalas   and
Crown Vics, decals, lightbars, books etc anywhere else than US ebay...same
goes for CHiPs stuff and a lot of other stuff...

If it says US only, i would ask, half would ship to the UK, it was easy,
they was happy, went a bit higher, or i explained it was impossible to get
here, and i usually went for more than one item...i once got over 50 car
kits from one seller, came surface, no probs.

Had a couple of bad US buyers, one guy won, and thought the UK was in the
US, so wangled out of paying up...and the other wanted the 'cheapest'
shipping, so i sent it surface and he thought that meant driven to the
airport.
Mad-Modeller - 01 Nov 2007 02:54 GMT
> > > > had two auctions close in just the past week, won by people who can't
> > > > read.
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> Had a couple of bad US buyers, one guy won, and thought the UK was in the
> US, so wangled out of paying up...

Reminds me of the Post Office employee who told one patron that they
don't send mail with US postage to New Mexico as that's a foreign
country.  I read that one in Ann Landers long ago so we haven't learned
anything yet. :(

and the other wanted the 'cheapest'
> shipping, so i sent it surface and he thought that meant driven to the
> airport.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
frank - 30 Oct 2007 22:32 GMT
I even stopped selling to Canada. Every time a Canadian
bought something & I sent them a postage rate, they wanted to haggle &
wanted me to get the lowest rate possible. What is with those guys?
Anyway, I just don't ship to Canada or anywhere else outside the USA.

On Oct 30, 10:57 am, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> had two auctions close in just the past week, won by people who can't
> read.
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>
> Craig
someone@some.domain - 30 Oct 2007 23:14 GMT
>           I even stopped selling to Canada. Every time a Canadian
>bought something & I sent them a postage rate, they wanted to haggle &
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>>
>> Craig

yeah, and they always want dollars and quote the highest while shipping the
lowest. blame canada......
Curt - 30 Oct 2007 23:52 GMT
> had two auctions close in just the past week, won by people who can't
> read.
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>
> Craig

I gladly sell outside the US and have had no more problems than with sales
inside the US.  And, some of my most profitable sales have been outside the
US.

I make my instructions simple and clear. They still don't always read them
but still, few problems.  Some sellers write a book's worth of meaningless,
unorganized crap that is difficult for an English (or American) speaker to
figure out.  One buyer realized his only option (without PayPal) was to send
a Western Union MO.  He fussed and expected me to figure something out.  I
politely told him my terms were clearly spelled out; my solution would be to
leave negative feedback and go to the next highest bidder.  He sent a MO.

Insist on payment by PayPal.  It makes it all near effortless.  No problems
with money conversion, etc.

I also save all my post office receipts.  If the item is slow getting there
you send a scan of the receipt to prove you mailed it.  For some reason, it
takes longer to send something to Canada than Antarctica.

And, if anyone would like to visit my auctions, my seller ID is 10fe.  Got a
bunch of aviation books right now.

Curt
KVPS
maiesm72@netscape.com - 31 Oct 2007 04:26 GMT
> <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
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> Curt
> KVPS

Never used e-bay or paypal. Maybe someday.

I buy about 75% of new stuff from my favorite hobby shop. The rest is
divided up. I get a few items every month from mail order, but most
from long-term trading partners in Italy, Scotland, France, Poland,
Czech Republic and Japan.

In...WHOA THERE! Nice little earthquake at 2005 hrs. Just long enough
to run into Justin's room and get him to the floor next to the bed.
Lynne just called from flute practice a mile away and didn't feel
anything. That was fun.

Ok, in forty years of trading inside and outside the US I have been
burned exactly twice, both Brits, both dead now. Both ripped off a lot
of other people. That does not include two well known manufacturers
who failed to pay for contracted work, mostly research.

Trading is also a hell of a lot more fun than buying. In May I met my
Italian trading partner for the first time when we were in Italy. Have
only personally met one of my other tradng partners in all of these
years. Once you build a basis of trust all kind of things are
possible. The only slight drawback currently is the horrible increase
in postage rates in the US. I mailed one of our books and all thirty-
six copies to Canada today and it cost over $25. Last year an
identical parcel to an address in the same provence was $11.95. No
more media mail, no more surface mail.

Tom

Tom
Mad-Modeller - 31 Oct 2007 05:17 GMT
My most frequent problem is people asking for a shipping estimate an
hour before the end of the auction.  I clearly state that all requests
have to be made before 24 hours before the end of the auction.  I often
check in on my auctions after they end and find requests for shipping
estimates.
  My solution to this is, if the item hasn't sold, to get an estimate,
send the estimate along with a polite re-statement of my policy and add
when I expect to re-list the item.  It worked this week when I sold one
item to a fellow who didn't read the policy 2 weeks ago.
  I send stuff to lots of places, the Isle of Skye being one of the
least likely places and Hong Kong being one of the farthest.  I once
sold a kit to the mayor of Yellowknife, NWT.  All those years of seeing
it on maps and I end up selling a kit to a guy there.  There are some
neat features to E-bay.
  One of the things about E-bay that really gripes me is the level of
difficulty involved in just listing things for sale.  5 years ago when I
started it wasn't anywhere near this difficult.  After all that fussin'
about and then they up their fees too.  I can see why one of the
investment firms lowered their stock listing because of E-bay's loss of
their core business.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Stephen Tontoni - 31 Oct 2007 07:44 GMT
> had two auctions close in just the past week, won by people who can't
> read.
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>
> Craig

Well with what you're describing, it could be there's a language
problem, but yes, lots of people don't read what you say. I know you can
reject bids if you want; I wonder if there is any way of filtering bids
in the first place. Find out if you can set filters that will not allow
any overseas bidding. I bet you can.

I have to laugh when it shows clearly in the item description that
shipping for XYZ is $10 within the US and someone always asks how much
to Kentucky, how much to California, how much to whatever... sometimes I
goof them and say $10 unless your state has seceded recently..

--- Stephen
WmB - 31 Oct 2007 16:18 GMT
> had two auctions close in just the past week, won by people who can't
> read.
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>
> Craig

I've found the Ebay dispute process works pretty well.  My issues have
revolved around buyers not paying or as you have experienced, being
inelegible to purchase.  When a problem occurs, I inform the buyer why I
cannot or will not proceed with the transaction. Usually we are able to
agree on a mutual retraction which refunds me the listing and final value
fees, and does not leave them with an unpaid item strike.  The only time I
think I levied unpaid item strikes against a buyer was after three weeks of
"the check is in the mail" email volleyball he played with me - all the
while he's buying from and paying other sellers like a mad bandit.  As long
as your terms are clear, you've got the higher hand.

Things I've learned on intl transactions that may be of help to some :

1. Specify immediate payment via PayPal for foreign buyers.  Specify that
foreign buyers have Paypal accounts that are confirmed and verified.  I
still have buyers that do not read - and conduct transactions with
unverified accounts - BUT - I have the option of declining if I want to. To
date I've declined only a few out of spec buyers and (knock on laminated
desktop) I've had no theft or fraud issues with intl buyers.

2. For USPS shippers - Specify you ship US Priority Mail International
(formerly Air Mail Parcel Post) as your minimum level of shipping. If you
ship surface and the shipment is undeliverable, YOU have to pay to get it
returned.  USPS Priority International ships it back for free. Ship surface
at your own risk.

3. For USPS shippers - In addition to sticking on the clear enevlope with
your multiple copies of the customs paperwork, write YOUR NAME and ADDRESS
directly on the box in heavy ink.  This advice was given to me by my local
USPS clerk on my first intl shipment - and it wasn't long after I found out
why. A month later another intl package was returned to me because by the
time it got to NJ for export, the customs forms had been removed from the
clear envelope. That piece of labelling advice meant the difference in
getting an $80 kit back. I produced my copy of the customs papers and had
the item shipped out a second time at no cost. That's probably a benefit of
having small town post office service, so you're mileage may vary.

4. The process of printing USPS customs forms by hand is a thing of the
past. This was the number one pain in the a.s thing to deal with that for
years soured me on intl sales. Now you can do it thru the USPS site or thru
Ebay/Paypal. I hate the fees, but Paypal has its uses.

   4a.  Shipping USPS Priority Mail via Paypal provides delivery
confirmation at NO CHARGE to domestic
          destinations.

5. Previously, you could not use the free Priority Mail boxes to ship
Airmail Parcel Post. That has changed and they can now can be used on the
newly branded USPS Priority International.  I no longer have to spend the
extra minute or two reversing the boxes to the brown side, :-).  Yes, I know
the USPS started marking the inside of the boxes years ago. Yet to this
date, I've never seen one.

6. Familiarize yourself with the international restrictions on your
preferred carrier.  For instance with USPS, there are girth, weight and
content limits that vary by country. In fact, many sellers probably do not
familiarize themselves with the girth limits of domestic packages and get
the surprise of their lives when the shipping cost they gave to the buyer
are half of the actual costs because they misclassed an oversized box as a
regular size. Ask me how I know :-(.

   6a For just such an occassion, specify that the buyer pays all shipping
costs. It's not bulletproof considering the error
        may be on your part, but it's better than nothing.

7. Be clear when you say shipping to the US only, that you mean the
continental US.  Shipping to AK, HI, territories and APO/Fleet are all
considered "US", but the shipping costs and procedures vary. My experience
with Ebay's shipping calculator has been that it underestimates HI and AK.
APO and Fleet destinations require additional paperwork that on my last sale
was not yet automated. It's not that much of a bother but my preference is
to have all my work done so that I can drop off pre-paids or call for a
pickup without spending much time at the counter filling out multiple copies
of forms that are not all that self-explanatory.

Preaching to the choir to many, news to some. Sorry for the long winded
type, but I find myself with ample amounts of time on my hands.

WmB
Jules - 31 Oct 2007 16:54 GMT
> > had two auctions close in just the past week, won by people who can't
> > read.
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> date I've declined only a few out of spec buyers and (knock on laminated
> desktop) I've had no theft or fraud issues with intl buyers.

I didnt thin in UK you could get verified etc if not in US

> 2. For USPS shippers - Specify you ship US Priority Mail International
> (formerly Air Mail Parcel Post) as your minimum level of shipping. If you
> ship surface and the shipment is undeliverable, YOU have to pay to get it
> returned.  USPS Priority International ships it back for free. Ship surface
> at your own risk.

I used to get 80% of my stuff surface, could take 3 months but nothing ever
went missing in 4 years

> 3. For USPS shippers - In addition to sticking on the clear enevlope with
> your multiple copies of the customs paperwork, write YOUR NAME and ADDRESS
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>
> WmB

I used to ask if they would put lower value, cos of the tax...when i used to
ship to US, 2nd hand toys didnt get taxed, but here they do.
Andy - 31 Oct 2007 22:43 GMT
And now for a word from one of the "screwups" on the other side....

I recently saw an n scale railroad car on eBay that I absolutely had
to have.  In my excitement, I immediately placed a bid.  It was only
after I had confirmed said bid that I scrolled down to see that the
seller only uses PayPal.

Now I will never use PayPal (again)!  It seems that the last time I
did, such minor bits of information as my name, email address, and
credit card number ended up in the wrong hands.  I had to cancel that
account; cancel my eBay account; and ultimately even had to change my
email address.

With all of that in mind, when I won the item, I sent an immediate
email to the seller outlining my problem and asking how he wished to
resolve it.  I have yet to hear from him, and I have yet to see the
item relisted.

I had more than 100 successful purchases under my old account name,
and another twenty or so under my new account name - and pointed that
out to him.

Yes, I screwed up.  But would it be so difficult for the seller to at
least return my email, call me a screwup, and hate me for the rest of
his days?  Or could we simply arrive at some mutually acceptable
method of resolving this issue?

Andy
someone@some.domain - 31 Oct 2007 23:36 GMT
>And now for a word from one of the "screwups" on the other side....
>
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>
>Andy

patience, flyswatter. perhaps he's not home from work, yet?
maiesm72@netscape.com - 01 Nov 2007 05:58 GMT
> And now for a word from one of the "screwups" on the other side....
>
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>
> Andy

I've heard similar things aboutpaypal from so many other people that I
would never have anything to do with them.

As I mentioned before, the occasionally hideous winning bids on e-bay
are a matter of impatience, seriously warped ideas of resale (read
"collector's) value and laziness coupled with far too much spending
money.

In over forty years of buying and trading there are only two kits that
I have never found. That does not include items which have been simply
too expensive. In time it seems that almost everything gets into the
collection.

There are things that just are not meant to be, though. It's far too
late, for example, to obtain original WWII ID models. Most of them are
starting to disintegrate, the remainder still in good condition are
far too expensive. Same goes for Frog Penguin kits on both counts. I
do have the Merlin copies of three of the Penguin Hawker biplanes and
I'm quite satisfied with them.

Skybird kits are so old that I may never see one, much less own one. I
have, however, recently obtained an original Skybirds WWI Hanger
complete in the original box with a handful of loose Skybirds lead
soldiers from the same gentleman. Just for fun I also got a completed
Strombecker P-61, the original wood kit, complete with imaginative
decals.

Almost anything is possble.

Tom
Steven Jahn - 01 Nov 2007 23:11 GMT
Here is my example for not wanting to ship overseas:
I live in the US.Buyer from France buys two kits from me.Pays by Paypal
right away.I ship them Priority mail on Sept 22.he receives them on Oct
25.After three weeks from shipping date he starts a complaint on Ebay and
says I never sent them.Oh no,get ready for $118.00 to come out of my Paypal
account and get the big screwing.Then after a month the kits show up.The
buyer is all happy and I am relieved,again. It only takes a couple of those
to turn you off to over-seas sales.My US shipments never get lost.I use
delivery confirmation every time.Over 5000 kits shipped. Steve
>> And now for a word from one of the "screwups" on the other side....
>>
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>
> Tom
 
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