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Model Forum / General / Models / November 2007Hannants under threat?
There is a record tidal surge of 3m currently heading down the east cost of England. It is expected to hit the Norfolk coast in the early hours of Friday morning, to coincide with high tide. Many coastal areas of Norfolk have received severe flood warning and areas of Lowestoft have been evacuated. Hopefully Oulton Broad won't get hit - it is slightly inland. The though of a flood at Hannants warehouse doesn't bear thinking about. Just imagine what it would do to all those decals.  SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > There is a record tidal surge of 3m currently heading down the east cost of > England. It is expected to hit the Norfolk coast in the early hours of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > a flood at Hannants warehouse doesn't bear thinking about. Just imagine what > it would do to all those decals. Ah, but imagine the flood damage sale ! T. >There is a record tidal surge of 3m currently heading down the east cost of >England. It is expected to hit the Norfolk coast in the early hours of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >a flood at Hannants warehouse doesn't bear thinking about. Just imagine what >it would do to all those decals. we will sacrifice a goat and 2 christians to appease the water gods, enzo. i hope they're ok, too. > In article <Vsydna0SocWYFK7anZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo Matrix" > <enzo55@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > we will sacrifice a goat and 2 christians to appease the water gods, > enzo. i hope they're ok, too. I'll raise you and sacrifice an a.s and 2 atheists, which is 3 of a kind. Frank >> In article <Vsydna0SocWYFK7anZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo Matrix" >> <enzo55@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Frank what? a sucker bet? > I'll raise you and sacrifice an a.s and 2 atheists, which is 3 of a kind. You do realise that's fighting talk, don't you? After all, the average atheist is rather attached to the one and only life he has, and is likely to react with some prejudice against this sort of thing (as opposed to those struck by religion, who might actually consider it a privilege to be sacrificed).. Rob Rob van Riel <robvr@mail.com> wrote in news:pan.2007.11.12.10.12.32.250000 @mail.com: >> I'll raise you and sacrifice an a.s and 2 atheists, which is 3 of a kind. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Rob So is the notion of sacrificing Christians, which is where this started. In case you are unaware Christains are being murdered throughout Africa, Asia and the Middle East and prosecuted for thier beliefs in China. I'm sick of the supposed superiority of the atheist. Thier snobby insults are just crude ways of mocking those with beliefs where they have none. I don't prosletyze, because it's a waste of time. Either you get it or you don't and I'm not very good at prosletyzing except by trying to live my life the right way and by showing respect for other's beliefs as I would like them to respect mine. Apparently that's not good enough. Atheists should learn to coexist and show respect. True Christains do, it's one of the rules that we do so. Frank > Rob van Riel <robvr@mail.com> wrote in news:pan.2007.11.12.10.12.32.250000 > @mail.com: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Frank bullshit. i have close friends who are Jews, Muslims and other faiths... im fed up of Chistians banging on my door and waffling on about a load of crap... >> Rob van Riel <robvr@mail.com> wrote in >> news:pan.2007.11.12.10.12.32.250000 @mail.com: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > im fed up of Chistians banging on my door and waffling on about a load of > crap... I don't know whose knocking on your door but it isn't me. Every belief system has it's people who distort the meaning of the core beliefs. I certainly don't get why you brought up the Jews and Muslims, trying to display tolerance? It would seem very odd that you can tolerate peaceful members of a religion which is as violent as Islam is yet you have a great deal of anger at Christians for merely knocking on your door. I'll bet your attitude chnages with the imposition of the Caliphate. Frank >>> Rob van Riel <robvr@mail.com> wrote in >>> news:pan.2007.11.12.10.12.32.250000 @mail.com: [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > >Frank islam isn't violent. it's application by some perverted believers is. perhaps they have long memories of what christianity taught them. > In article <Xns99E7DB641CB4BWereofftoseethewizrd@216.196.97.142>, > grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > islam isn't violent. it's application by some perverted believers is. > perhaps they have long memories of what christianity taught them. And if you had an ounce of historical perspective you would note that the Muslims were also murdering wholesale back then, too. Christianity seems to have reformed itself, not so Islam. Christianity has foregone conversion by the sword. If you cannot see the difference between modern day Christianity and present day Islamic extremism than you're a fool. Frank > >>>> Rob van Riel <robvr@mail.com> wrote in > >>>> news:pan.2007.11.12.10.12.32.250000 @mail.com: [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Frank is it april fools again already? > Christianity has foregone conversion by the sword. Chritianity is a broad category of religions. I have no reason to doubt your particular branch has abandoned this hopeless concept, but there are many others who are still more than willing to kill anyone who doesn't agree with their particular brand of Chritianity. I also have a strong suspicion that even some of the larger, currently peaceful branches would be more than happy to revert to violence if they thought it would increase their worldly power. Rob Rob van Riel <robvr@mail.com> wrote in news:pan.2007.11.14.13.41.20.609000 @mail.com: >> Christianity has foregone conversion by the sword. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Rob Name one branch of Chritianity that kills anyone for religious reasons today, especially one that kills with the barbarity and gusto of the Islamics. beheading and toturing captives, killing civilians, even women and children through bombings, even using children as carriers or bombs or as camoflage. I;ve heard more than one story where the cowardly towel heads drove up in a car bomb woth kids as cover and then g9ot out and ran leacing the kids to die. Please cite even one example of such barbarity by a Christian today. Frank > Name one branch of Chritianity that kills anyone for religious reasons today, > especially one that kills with the barbarity and gusto of the Islamics. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Please cite even one example of such barbarity by a Christian today. Within living memory? Irish Catholics. >> Name one branch of Chritianity that kills anyone for religious reasons >> today, especially one that kills with the barbarity and gusto of the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Within living memory? Irish Catholics. Really? The Irish Catholics beheaded living people, flew airplanes into civilian buildings, strapped bombs on children, deliberately targeted women and children in the name of the Christian God? Must have missed that one. So sorry. Frank > Really? The Irish Catholics beheaded living people, flew airplanes into > civilian buildings, strapped bombs on children, deliberately targeted women > and children in the name of the Christian God? > > Must have missed that one. > It was down at Clancy's Pub last Friday. Clancy has dropped the three-for-one happy hour on boilermakers after the incident. :-D Pat >>> Name one branch of Chritianity that kills anyone for religious reasons >>> today, especially one that kills with the barbarity and gusto of the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > So sorry. What? You have *never* seen a news report of the stuff that the eejit Irish (I'm at least 1/8th Cat-Lick Irish, so I know an eejit Irishman when I see one), both Cat-Lick and Proddy, have done to each other *and* *themselves* in Northern Ireland over the last, oh, century or so? Kneecappings, kidnappings, rape-as-punishment-and-for-blackmail, no end of good clean knifings, bombings, sniper attacks, and so on. There are none so blind, etcetera... Cheers, Gary B-) Signature______________________________________________________________________________ Armful of chairs: Something some people would not know whether you were up them with or not - Barry Humphries >>>> Name one branch of Chritianity that kills anyone for religious reasons >>>> today, especially one that kills with the barbarity and gusto of the [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Cheers, > Gary B-) Quite, I am aware of that barbarrism. But the main issue there was political. The fact that the 2 groups had differing views on religion was merely coincidence. I have never seen anything where the violence was committed in the anme of God. Union, British expulsion, etc, yes, religion no. This is not say scraps haven't occured over Protetant vs Catholic views, just that the underlying violence was never attributed to religion. You never heard them declaring Holy War against the other. A considerable difference. Frank I was going to leave this alone, but this was a direct challenge. Apologies to the rest of the group for letting this drag on.. > Name one branch of Chritianity that kills anyone for religious reasons today, I honestly don't have sufficient knowledge of what exactly constitutes a branch of any religion (I suspect there is no such thing as a precise definition), nor do I have the desire to ferret out just which branch various people clain to be part of. However, if you need examples of people killing for their Christian faith, hit some of the links on the pages below. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=abortion+clinic+murder&btnG=Google+Search http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion-related_violence I realise these are fringe characters, but that doesn't change the basic facts. If you want larger scale situations, look at the Northern Ireland troubles for example. > especially one that kills with the barbarity and gusto of the Islamics. > beheading and toturing captives, killing civilians, even women and > children through bombings, even using children as carriers or bombs or > as camoflage. I;ve heard more than one story where the cowardly towel > heads drove up in a car bomb woth kids as cover and then g9ot out and > ran leacing the kids to die. Lets not get into 'their atrocity is worse than ours' territory, shall we. > Please cite even one example of such barbarity by a Christian today. Now we're dropping the requirement that the atrocities be committed in the name of Chritianity. I suggest you read up on the past 50 or so years of South American history. Almost universally Christians, and plenty of horrors. Or if you want more recent, high profile situations, the crimes committed by (mostly) US troops and militias in Iraq. Rob > I was going to leave this alone, but this was a direct challenge. > Apologies to the rest of the group for letting this drag on.. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=abortion+clinic+murder&btnG=Google+Se > arch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion-related_violence Abortion clinic bombings were: 1) rare 2) universally condemned by all Christian churches and fatihs 3) haven't occuredd in over 10 years Sorry, doesn't equate with beheading live people and blowing up kids. > I realise these are fringe characters, but that doesn't change the basic > facts. If you want larger scale situations, look at the Northern Ireland > troubles for example. See previous reply. >> especially one that kills with the barbarity and gusto of the Islamics. >> beheading and toturing captives, killing civilians, even women and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Lets not get into 'their atrocity is worse than ours' territory, shall > we. Why not? Show me any other faith that kills as brutally and wantonly. People love to point at Christains but that was a long time ago and is not revered today as previous Islmaic massacres still are. >> Please cite even one example of such barbarity by a Christian today. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > horrors. Or if you want more recent, high profile situations, the crimes > committed by (mostly) US troops and militias in Iraq. Not a bit of it was in the name of God. Mostly in the name of Communism, Socialism, tyranny and/or criminal enterprise. The people (victims) of these regimes may be Christian, but I doubt any of the groups I named even beleive in God let alone profess to be Christain, except in the most hypocritical way. And you are just a fuckwad anyway if you are accussing US troops of atrocities and not worthy of any further serious consideration. Frank > Rob >> In article <Xns99E7DB641CB4BWereofftoseethewizrd@216.196.97.142>, >> grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > >Frank from the memebers of my mothers family slaughtered at theriensenstadt, i would not say christians seem much reformed. they commited the horrid crime of being polish and were killed for it. the only fool here is one that doesn't see the periles of organized religion. you are probrbly an ok guy except for religion. > In article <Xns99E8EDAF9D19Wereofftoseethewizrd@216.196.97.142>, > grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > the only fool here is one that doesn't see the periles of organized > religion. you are probrbly an ok guy except for religion. I don not understand your point. Theriensenstadt was run by a Godless, immoral bunch of killers that had nothing to do with the Christain God. Try again. Frank >> In article <Xns99E8EDAF9D19Wereofftoseethewizrd@216.196.97.142>, >> grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > >Frank you do not know much about the nazis in general or the ss in particular. there are thousands of reference's that cite chapter and verse but you have completely invalidated yourself. your use of the term towel head to describe someone of the islamic faith is a disgusting and slimey as using the words....well, insert your favorite racial slur. based on that i must consider you a waste of protoplasm and invite you to self-terminate and not waste resources better used by humans. > In article <Xns99E9D8B60970EWereofftoseethewizrd@216.196.97.142>, > grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] > protoplasm and invite you to self-terminate and not waste resources > better used by humans. What did I miss? To the Nazis the state was God, you swore your loyalty to Hitler above all else. Yes the Germans were primarily Lutheran, but that was reflected in the regular forces, not the SS. It would an enormous mistake to assume I know nothing about the Nazis, I have been researching the era for over 10 years, from the foundations of National Socialism, the weaknesses of Weimar, why the Freicorps was so important, and how Hitler took advantage of the Communists and unionists to scare the middle class into going along. I beleive I have a reasonably good grasp of the situation from say 1918 to 1945, both from the perspective of the leadership and the rank and file, dedicated Nazi or just German. What's your point? Nazis kill Poles and it's the Christain's fault? My God would certainly never condone or reward such behavior. You pissed beacuse God didn't step in? To bad, we are given Free Will. We can choose good or evil, if God simply compelled us we would be no more than puppets. I'm sorry your family suffered, but man is at fault not God. Frank > >> Rob van Riel <robvr@mail.com> wrote in > >> news:pan.2007.11.12.10.12.32.250000 @mail.com: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > I don't know whose knocking on your door but it isn't me. Every belief system > has it's people who distort the meaning of the core beliefs. no the people knocking on my door are Christians...(mind you, had some good somes in the 80's) > I certainly don't get why you brought up the Jews and Muslims, trying to > display tolerance? The ones i know, very well, dont care that im a Athiest, but then i dont ram my thoughts down there throats... > It would seem very odd that you can tolerate peaceful members of a religion > which is as violent as Islam is yet you have a great deal of anger at > Christians for merely knocking on your door. I'll bet your attitude chnages > with the imposition of the Caliphate. > > Frank I did like Desomd Decker and the isralites... >> >> Rob van Riel <robvr@mail.com> wrote in >> >> news:pan.2007.11.12.10.12.32.250000 @mail.com: [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > >I did like Desomd Decker and the isralites... one of three bands to have a hit with the same song twice. name the other 2. > >> >> Rob van Riel <robvr@mail.com> wrote in > >> >> news:pan.2007.11.12.10.12.32.250000 @mail.com: [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > > one of three bands to have a hit with the same song twice. name the other 2. Chubby Checker: The Twist Bobby "Boris" Pickett: The Monster Mash How's that, Meredith? Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> In article <gsA_i.71077$7_4.60917@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, "Jules" > <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. now the two i wanted/ >>bullshit. i have close friends who are Jews, Muslims and other faiths... >>im >>fed up of Chistians banging on my door and waffling on about a load of >>crap... Are they MORmONs, or JW mum killers? I have never seen my local vicar going door to door trying to get more church goers, nor have the local evangelical church. However we get the occasional mormons but no jws. I really object to door to door religious salesmen. > >>bullshit. i have close friends who are Jews, Muslims and other faiths... > >>im > >>fed up of Chistians banging on my door and waffling on about a load of > >>crap... > > Are they MORmONs, or JW mum killers? 7th day advent hoppists...and lots of nice old black people from some cult...who leave me a little booklet to look at. > I have never seen my local vicar going door to door trying to get more > church goers, nor have the local evangelical church. me too, thank god! > However we get the occasional mormons but no jws. > > I really object to door to door religious salesmen. yes, mind you, other week there was a load of bible bashers, inc 2 girls, both about 19, one seriously overweight, bad bad bad achne and hairy legs, the other...wow, v tall, blonde and HOT... >>> Are they MORmONs, or JW mum killers? >> >>7th day advent hoppists...and lots of nice old black people from some >>cult...who leave me a little booklet to look at. Oh dear - they are obsessed too! >>> I have never seen my local vicar going door to door trying to get more >>> church goers, nor have the local evangelical church. > >me too, thank god! LOL - that said I find Vicars usuably likeable, they tend to be interesting, quite often modellers too - usually railway. >>yes, mind you, other week there was a load of bible bashers, inc 2 girls, >>both about 19, one seriously overweight, bad bad bad achne and hairy legs, >>the other...wow, v tall, blonde and HOT... Did you invite her in? And what was she selling? > >>> Are they MORmONs, or JW mum killers? > >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > LOL - that said I find Vicars usuably likeable, they tend to be interesting, > quite often modellers too - usually railway. yes, quite jolly, i can actually talk about religion as long is its not preached to me, and that the other people with listen to why im a athiest. > >>yes, mind you, other week there was a load of bible bashers, inc 2 girls, > >>both about 19, one seriously overweight, bad bad bad achne and hairy legs, > >>the other...wow, v tall, blonde and HOT... > > Did you invite her in? i wish she had invited me in ;-) Actually, when i get knocks on the door, i tell them i have a houseful of giant lizards, big snakes and huge spiders around the house, along with a few hundred model kits...for some reason once i mention the plastic kits, they usually refuse to come in.....wierd that > And what was she selling? some religous stuff, but i was already getting into my car, so didnt actully speak to them. Jules typed: > along with a > few hundred model kits...for some reason once i mention the plastic > kits, > they usually refuse to come in.....wierd that And they all moved away from me on the Group W bench... Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >Jules typed: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. arlo said the truth on that was he had really bad gas. > >Jules typed: > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > arlo said the truth on that was he had really bad gas. There you go, taking the fun out of it with the truth. Of course, perhaps Jules left something out.... Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. ;) >> >Jules typed: >> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >;) uuuuurrrrrpppp???? > > >Jules typed: > > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > ;) Haha this is true, last week in the bars in the city, i was farting for england, god knows what i ate but everyone thought it was a gas attack...it was really really REALLY BAD, but being a guy.... >> > >Jules typed: >> > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >england, god knows what i ate but everyone thought it was a gas attack...it >was really really REALLY BAD, but being a guy.... all my brit punker friends say it's the chav's and the ted's fault. you blame them, too? > >> > >Jules typed: > >> > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > all my brit punker friends say it's the chav's and the ted's fault. you blame > them, too? nah it was me, and i told em >> In article <zMl%i.85916$7_4.19784@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, "Jules" ><julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >nah it was me, and i told em wowfab and patio lemur sez you weren't there. > >> In article <zMl%i.85916$7_4.19784@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, "Jules" > ><julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > > wowfab and patio lemur sez you weren't there. yeah right....and what drugs you been on? >> In article <9up%i.87006$7_4.57388@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, "Jules" ><julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > >yeah right....and what drugs you been on? oi and boots and braces. i smoke danny baker's stash. >> >>bullshit. i have close friends who are Jews, Muslims and other faiths... >> >>im [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >both about 19, one seriously overweight, bad bad bad achne and hairy legs, >the other...wow, v tall, blonde and HOT... i collect those little religious books. i interviewed exene cervenka and she got me hooked. we love the really gory and violent ones. i have over 100 now so can i have it? > So is the notion of sacrificing Christians, which is where this started. In > case you are unaware Christains are being murdered throughout Africa, Asia > and the Middle East and prosecuted for thier beliefs in China. People of all faiths or lack there of are being murdered for those beliefs all over the world, mostly in the name of some religion other than their own. Without making any statements about the existence of one or more gods, which is en entirely diferent matter, I find that religion is probably the greatest curse humans have ever inflited upon this world. > Atheists should learn to coexist and show respect. True Christains do, > it's one of the rules that we do so. I have little or no problem with coexisting with anyone polite enough to keep their noses out of my business, regardless of creed (barring potential excesses perpetrated in the name of such creed, which I have yet to encounter first hand), but respect is earned, not given by default. Their are many aspects to an individual's personality, and there are quite a few people with religious convictions that I respect, but not one who has earned that respect because of those beliefs. Rob >> So is the notion of sacrificing Christians, which is where this started. In >> case you are unaware Christains are being murdered throughout Africa, Asia [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Rob where does one find this true chridtian? from what i can tell, the real religion pretty much impoded about the time constantine had that conference and the church was divied up for turf and tithes. the copts seem to be the only ones on the original path. Rob typed: > ...I find that religion is probably the greatest curse humans have ever inflicted upon this world. I tend to agree but with the provision that we restrict that to just 'religion'. I do not confuse religion with belief in a divinity. Religions, like politics, are constructed by humans. I do not know whence divinity comes but I have always felt connected to something beyond me and I hope that connection pre-dates my arrival and departure here. Bill Banaszak Mad-Modeller <checkreplyto@nextline.com> wrote > I tend to agree but with the provision that we restrict that to just > 'religion'. I do not confuse religion with belief in a divinity. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bill Banaszak Thank-you Bill. The first sensible comment since this whole thread started. RobG (The Aussie one) > I tend to agree but with the provision that we restrict that to just > 'religion'. I do not confuse religion with belief in a divinity. > Religions, like politics, are constructed by humans. Agreed, and this was what I had in mind when I declined to comment on divinity as such. Rob >Rob typed: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Bill Banaszak spirituality has zero to do with religion. i don't know why the universe muddles along, nor care, really, but i'm glad it does. there are still pretty girls to smile at and kits to build. >>I tend to agree but with the provision that we restrict that to just >>'religion'. I do not confuse religion with belief in a divinity. >>Religions, like politics, are constructed by humans. I do not know >>whence divinity comes but I have always felt connected to something >>beyond me and I hope that connection pre-dates my arrival and departure >>here. Good one! On Nov 8, 6:09?pm, some...@some.domain wrote: > we will sacrifice a goat and 2 christians to appease the water gods, enzo. i > hope they're ok, too. O the little druids, 'ow they danced. >On Nov 8, 6:09?pm, some...@some.domain wrote: >> we will sacrifice a goat and 2 christians to appease the water gods, enzo. i >> hope they're ok, too. > >O the little druids, 'ow they danced. have you been washed in the blood of a tree? > >On Nov 8, 6:09?pm, some...@some.domain wrote: > >> we will sacrifice a goat and 2 christians to appease the water gods, enzo. i [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > have you been washed in the blood of a tree? Wooden that leave me all sappy? Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> In article <1194843161.850482.252640@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, tomcervo > <tomcervo@aol.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. birth did that. > >> In article <1194843161.850482.252640@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, tomcervo > > <tomcervo@aol.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > birth did that. Amen brother! Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > There is a record tidal surge of 3m currently heading down the east cost > of England. It is expected to hit the Norfolk coast in the early hours of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > of a flood at Hannants warehouse doesn't bear thinking about. Just imagine > what it would do to all those decals. Just checking where I put my passport.... May have to go to the bay of Biscay and bob for kits.... Don H. > There is a record tidal surge of 3m currently heading down the east > cost of England. It is expected to hit the Norfolk coast in the early [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > though of a flood at Hannants warehouse doesn't bear thinking about. > Just imagine what it would do to all those decals. The danger has passed. In the event, the tidal surge was not quite as high as it could have been. Flood defences were breached in Great Yarmouth, although not catastrophically. No properties were flooded, but it was touch and go for some people living near the seafront. You may see on various telly reports that in one village the seafront road was flooded and the waters came up to the fronts of houses. The prom at Sheringham was also flooded, but again the waters didn't reach any properties. I see that the backlash has already started. Various local politicians are criticising the Met Office and the Environment Agency for over-reacting. The evacuations and other precautions have cost a lot of money, so the politicians want their moment of fame. The word from the local population is somewhat different. The people involved in the evacuations have all spoken highly of the manner in which they were treated by the authorities. The people involved are now making a bit of a joke about it all. But what seems clear is that the authorities acted in timely and considered manner and took action to minimise casualties. The Met Office and Environment Agency issued their flood warnings based on worst case scenarios. So what if the worst case didn't come to pass? Can you imagine the uproar if flood warnings hadn't been issued and a catastrophe *had* happened? This way, even if the tidal surge had matched the worst case predictions and there had been extensive flooding, it is likely that the casualties would have been minimal as the vulnerable areas were evacuated. I think that the authorities have done well and should be congratulated. SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > > There is a record tidal surge of 3m currently heading down the east > > cost of England. It is expected to hit the Norfolk coast in the early [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. Glad to hear that damage was minimal on your side of the puddle. The weather guys take the heat too around here if they forecast the worst and it doesn't happen. Must be a human nature thing. Anybody hear anything about the Netherlands? I heard a little in German last night on DW-TV but I understood less. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > Glad to hear that damage was minimal on your side of the puddle. The > weather guys take the heat too around here if they forecast the worst > and it doesn't happen. Must be a human nature thing. > Anybody hear anything about the Netherlands? I heard a little in > German last night on DW-TV but I understood less. From what I hear on other froups the guys in the Netherlands got away with it as well. I'm convinced that this is all because civil authorities in the various countries involved have put a lot of thought and work into preventing possible disasters. I love it when forecast catastrophes turn out to be damp squibs like this. Having seen a number of television reports today, it seems that in my part of the world, disaster was only inches away. The people who have fought so hard over the past few years to fund and build flood defences should be feeling very proud of themselves right now. SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > I'm convinced that this is all because civil authorities in the various > countries involved have put a lot of thought and work into preventing [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > people who have fought so hard over the past few years to fund and build > flood defences should be feeling very proud of themselves right now. Uh... say, there, could we borrow them for a bit? We seem to have had a little problem with storm preparedness in the last few years. Don H (A safe 1,000 miles north of New Orleans) >>> There is a record tidal surge of 3m currently heading down the east >>> cost of England. It is expected to hit the Norfolk coast in the [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > and it doesn't happen. Must be a human nature thing. > Anybody hear anything about the Netherlands? http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=1&story_id=45783 Record high waves, but dikes pass test 9 November 2007 AMSTERDAM - 10-metre high waves beat the North Sea coast of the Netherlands overnight, but no major problems were reported by Friday morning. The north-west storm that raced over the Netherlands with wind speeds of more than 100 kilometres per hour caused record-high water levels. Strong winds of 100 km per hour are not exceptional for this time of the year in the Netherlands, but it is the combination of wind direction, rain and a seawater level that was already high prior to the storm that caused the state of alert. In Harlingen, a town bordering on the north-east coast of the country, the seawater level rose to 3.4 metres above the so-called New Amsterdam Water level (NAP), the standard used to ascertain the height of the water. Near Rotterdam, the level stood at 2.84 metres above NAP while in Zeeland, in the south-west, the sea level rose to 3.43 metres, the third highest level since the Delta water defence system in the Zeeland province has been built. Late Thursday night, all Dutch water defence systems along the North Sea coast, such as the Maeslant and Hartel defence systems near Rotterdam, had been automatically closed due to the high water level. The coastguard patrolled the dikes from north to south during the night, but no major problems occurred. The harbour of Rotterdam, which had closed down in the early evening of Thursday, also remained closed throughout the night and early Friday morning. Elsewhere in the country, the first strong autumn storm of 2007 in the Netherlands caused damage to public and personal property. In the province of Noord-Brabant, rooftops of homes were damaged and trees fell on cars. In several places located near the sea, local flooding occurred. In Harlingen, the fishery storage and processing sites were all flooded, with water levels of up to 1 metre. Later this morning, the water level in Delfzijl in the north is expected to rise to more than 4 metres above NAP. The coastal guard along the whole north-east coast of the Netherlands will remain on high alert throughout the rest of Friday. From the village of Petten in the province of Noord-Holland to the south however, the high alert has been lifted. For Friday, rain and hail are expected to continue, again accompanied with north-eastern winds of up to 100 km per hour. [Copyright dpa 2007] Well, on on hand I'm glad there was no major flooding or damage. On the other hand, a few sacrificed goats and christians might not have been such a bad thing. A few less bible thumpers would put a smile on my face. > Well, on on hand I'm glad there was no major flooding or damage. On the > other hand, a few sacrificed goats and christians might not have been such > a bad thing. A few less bible thumpers would put a smile on my face. In 1982 we lived in Inverness, CA. The weather report for January 4 was scattered showers. Those showers were not scattered. They came from all over to dump almost twenty inches of rain in twenty-four hours on Inverness and the rest of Marin County. We lost sixteen homes with dozens damaged. One fatality in Sausalito, one injury resulting in quadropedic and several other injuries. One horse was killed. The hillsides liquified, ending up blocking almost all lower streets and isolating us for a week. As a firefighter/EMT I was on duty for seventy-two hours, mostly stabilizing homes and helping remove valuables for residents of demolished homes. The second day I actually got to commandere a news helicopter for a call of a house in the bay. The house was, indeed, in the bay, but people on the shore saw only the people on the roof, not the boat on the other side of the house. Upon return to Inverness we immediately loaded a cardiac patient and off to the hospital. The KGO helicopter made a dozen more sorties at their expense, bringing in needed supplies (sandbags, fuel, clean/dry socks, etc.) and flying officials over the area to review the damage. Scattered showers my a.s! Tom >> Well, on on hand I'm glad there was no major flooding or damage. On the >> other hand, a few sacrificed goats and christians might not have been [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Tom I was living in Santa Cruz then and remember it well - not having been in the tropics before (or since), I can truly say that I have never seen it rain so hard for so long; even after moving to the Puget Sound area. > >> Well, on on hand I'm glad there was no major flooding or damage. On the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > almost twenty inches of rain in twenty-four hours on Inverness and the > rest of Marin County. I used to be a aviation weather observer at our local airport for twelve years; there were some real loo-loos in what was forecast and what actually happened in that time. One time the forecast was for clear skies all night. The forecast came out at 9:30 PM...by 2 AM, we had winds of over 70 mph, and hail raining down. :-) Pat > >> Well, on on hand I'm glad there was no major flooding or damage. On the > >> other hand, a few sacrificed goats and christians might not have been such [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Pat Yesterday the local TV station was foretelling that the sun would disappear by 2PM and cloud up. It eventually did cloud up by sundown but that was somewhat later than it was supposed to. The kicker came today at the noon newscast. The weather guy started talking about how the sun disappeared behind the clouds before noon. I don't usually talk back to the TV but I had to today. Did they keep him in a box all day yesterday? Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. On Nov 9, 7:48 pm, "maies...@netscape.com" <maies...@netscape.com> wrote: > > Well, on on hand I'm glad there was no major flooding or damage. On the > > other hand, a few sacrificed goats and christians might not have been such [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Tom In the last few weeks California would have been glad to get some serious down pours. Bill Shuey >Well, on on hand I'm glad there was no major flooding or damage. On the >other hand, a few sacrificed goats and christians might not have been such >a bad thing. A few less bible thumpers would put a smile on my face. i was joking. i would never kill a poor goat. > >Well, on on hand I'm glad there was no major flooding or damage. On the > >other hand, a few sacrificed goats and christians might not have been such > >a bad thing. A few less bible thumpers would put a smile on my face. > > > i was joking. i would never kill a poor goat. Only the rich ones, right? Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> In article > <ad9c988b517008365b5b945717e16bfb@localhost.talkaboutcrafting.com>, "Disco58" [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. and the ugly >A few less bible thumpers would put a smile on > my face. It's a good thing we Bible-thumpers don't feel the same way about you Godless pagans. Fewer of you would certainly make us smile, but only if you've joined us, not if you've been sacrificed. May your God be with you. RobG (The Aussie one) > Well, on on hand I'm glad there was no major flooding or damage. On the > other hand, a few sacrificed goats and christians might not have been such > a bad thing. A few less bible thumpers would put a smile on my face. It's nice to know you're so tolerant of other's beliefs. Frank > > Well, on on hand I'm glad there was no major flooding or damage. On the > > other hand, a few sacrificed goats and christians might not have been such [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Frank to have someone elses religon rammed down your throat isnt much fun...or wanted "Jules" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in news:kclZi.254360$lV4.28727 @fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk: >> > Well, on on hand I'm glad there was no major flooding or damage. On the >> > other hand, a few sacrificed goats and christians might not have been [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > to have someone elses religon rammed down your throat isnt much fun...or > wanted Would that include atheists casually tossing off insults at Chritains? Frank > "Jules" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in news:kclZi.254360$lV4.28727 > @fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Frank no, i know lots, and im more than polite to them when they knock on my door, same goes for jovo's on 11/11/2007 2:57 PM Jules said the following: > >> "Jules" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > no, i know lots, and im more than polite to them when they knock on my door, > same goes for jovo's I practice no religion, even though babtised a christian (I was circumcised without my permission too). For the kids, I did decorate my house for Christmas and have a tree, and presents, and all that jolly stuff, but I don't attend church. I decorate my house for Halloween, but don't believe in witches, ghosts, or aliens, either. One Christmas day, two jehovahs witnesses rang my door bell. I told them to "get the f.ck off my porch". SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ >on 11/11/2007 2:57 PM Jules said the following: >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >two jehovahs witnesses rang my door bell. I told them to "get the f.ck >off my porch". i used to get them all the time. about 25 years ago, a friend vising was sick of them so he answered the door naked. haven't seen them since. >>One Christmas day, two jehovahs witnesses rang my door bell. I told them >>to "get the f.ck off my porch". They are responsible for the death of a young mum so when they went campaigning locally they got so much abuse it was funny >>Would that include atheists casually tossing off insults at Chritains? >> >>Frank That is rude!!!! Look up tossing off! "Martin" <nospam@spam.spam> wrote in news:fhehsf$sui$1$8300dec7 @news.demon.co.uk: >>>Would that include atheists casually tossing off insults at Chritains? >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Look up tossing off! Why is that rude? I hear far more venom spewed at Christains by Atheists then the other way around. Frank >> Well, on on hand I'm glad there was no major flooding or damage. On the >> other hand, a few sacrificed goats and christians might not have been such >> a bad thing. A few less bible thumpers would put a smile on my face. > > It's nice to know you're so tolerant of other's beliefs. Hey, at least he sees _some_ use for those of different beliefs. Most religious 'enthousists' seem to divide the rest of the population into those that don't yet realise they are true believers (nothing a bit of terror and torture won't fix), and those who are a waste of air and space... Rob Ensue Matrix wrote: > There is a record tidal surge of 3m currently heading down the east cost of > England. It is expected to hit the Norfolk coast in the early hours of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. Ensue - Oh Cheesy One, I started to read this thread and somehow lost track of it. Did Haunts actually sink into the sea or is it still standing? Thanks, Ray === > Ensue Matrix wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I started to read this thread and somehow lost track of it. Did > Haunts actually sink into the sea or is it still standing? Still standing, thankfully. The major flood that was predicted wasn't actually as high as was expected, but it was a very near miss. SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. |
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