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scale accuracy of Matchbox 1/32 kits

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Disco58 - 16 Nov 2007 00:36 GMT
I have the Stuka, 109 and SBD.  Are they at least close?  Most people bang
on MB kits, but I was actually fairly impressed with the detail,
particularly on the SBD.  But then I'm just a rank amateur, so I could be
way off.
someone@some.domain - 16 Nov 2007 01:03 GMT
>I have the Stuka, 109 and SBD.  Are they at least close?  Most people bang
>on MB kits, but I was actually fairly impressed with the detail,
>particularly on the SBD.  But then I'm just a rank amateur, so I could be
>way off.

they're fun to mod and the scales are usually good. the big kits are very bare
but you an detail them until your arms fall off.
i've only built the stuka, but i have the rest. the stuka can be hacked to
show candid control surfaces etc. if i had one to do now, i would get a resin
cockpit and better decals. and a vac canopy that could be fully opened up.
frank - 16 Nov 2007 01:55 GMT
When did MB do a 1/32 Stuka? All I remember are the Venom,
Tiger Moth, Lysander, Me-109, SBD & Spitfire.

> I have the Stuka, 109 and SBD.  Are they at least close?  Most people bang
> on MB kits, but I was actually fairly impressed with the detail,
> particularly on the SBD.  But then I'm just a rank amateur, so I could be
> way off.
Grinch - 16 Nov 2007 02:22 GMT
> � � � �When did MB do a 1/32 Stuka? All I remember are the Venom,
> Tiger Moth, Lysander, Me-109, SBD & Spitfire.

Ok, I stand corrected.  The Stuka that was running through my brain is
the Revell version with the snake down the side.  I knew they were all
in the same 1/32 storage box in my basement, and I could picture the
stacking order inside the box with the MB stuff on top.  By virtue of
that, the Stuka became part of the MB group.
someone@some.domain - 16 Nov 2007 03:36 GMT
>> =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDWhen did MB do a 1/32 Stuka? All I =
>remember are the Venom,
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>stacking order inside the box with the MB stuff on top.  By virtue of
>that, the Stuka became part of the MB group.
didn't mpc box that, too? i found mine and it looks like it.
Mad-Modeller - 17 Nov 2007 06:17 GMT
> didn't mpc box that, too? i found mine and it looks like it.

Airfix 1/24th kit re-boxed over here.  Looks cool in the box but I don't
know how it is to build.  All of my 1/24th kits have four wheels and
tires.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Jules - 18 Nov 2007 18:13 GMT
> > didn't mpc box that, too? i found mine and it looks like it.
>
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>
> Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

Stuka was a great kit everyone says, although never built one myself.  same
goes for the Hurricane, if you had on, dont go and rush out to buy the
Trumpeter kit
someone@some.domain - 18 Nov 2007 18:39 GMT
>> > didn't mpc box that, too? i found mine and it looks like it.
>>
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>goes for the Hurricane, if you had on, dont go and rush out to buy the
>Trumpeter kit

i avoid trumpeter. only thing i will buy is their wimpy.
Enzo Matrix - 18 Nov 2007 19:09 GMT
>>>> didn't mpc box that, too? i found mine and it looks like it.
>>>
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>>
> i avoid trumpeter. only thing i will buy is their wimpy.

Their 1/72 Gannet is good.

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Enzo

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someone@some.domain - 18 Nov 2007 19:29 GMT
>>>>> didn't mpc box that, too? i found mine and it looks like it.
>>>>
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>
>Their 1/72 Gannet is good.

ok. it's not an ac i'm interested in, though.
Jules - 18 Nov 2007 19:44 GMT
> >>>>> didn't mpc box that, too? i found mine and it looks like it.
> >>>>
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> >
> >Their 1/72 Gannet is good.

yup

> ok. it's not an ac i'm interested in, though.

your loss then
Mad-Modeller - 19 Nov 2007 01:37 GMT
> >> > didn't mpc box that, too? i found mine and it looks like it.
> >>
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> >
> i avoid trumpeter. only thing i will buy is their wimpy.

Everybody needs a little lead in their diets!

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
someone@some.domain - 19 Nov 2007 04:13 GMT
>> In article <qh%%i.94542$7_4.30891@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, "Jules"
> <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
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>
>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
brain damage
brain damage
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-ministry
Enzo Matrix - 18 Nov 2007 19:08 GMT
>>> didn't mpc box that, too? i found mine and it looks like it.
>>
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> same goes for the Hurricane, if you had on, dont go and rush out to
> buy the Trumpeter kit

I have an Airfix 1/24 Hurricane in my Deep Stash.   One of these days...
:-)

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Enzo

I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

Pat Flannery - 16 Nov 2007 06:42 GMT
> Ok, I stand corrected.  The Stuka that was running through my brain is
> the Revell version with the snake down the side.
>  

Oh, _that_ thing...the one with the million raised rivets on it.
It's a ball to try and put decals on it. :-D

Pat
Pat Flannery - 16 Nov 2007 06:31 GMT
>        When did MB do a 1/32 Stuka? All I remember are the Venom,
> Tiger Moth, Lysander, Me-109, SBD & Spitfire.

Revell and Hasegawa did one, but I've never heard of a Matchbox one either.

Pat
RobG - 16 Nov 2007 10:39 GMT
>>        When did MB do a 1/32 Stuka? All I remember are the Venom,
>> Tiger Moth, Lysander, Me-109, SBD & Spitfire.
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>
> Pat

Airfix did a 1/24th Ju-87 - maybe that's what's causing the confusion?

RobG
(The Aussie one)
frank - 16 Nov 2007 13:35 GMT
MPC re-boxed the Airfix 1/24 kit, IIRC.

> >>        When did MB do a 1/32 Stuka? All I remember are the Venom,
> >> Tiger Moth, Lysander, Me-109, SBD & Spitfire.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> RobG
> (The Aussie one)
someone@some.domain - 16 Nov 2007 16:17 GMT
>     MPC re-boxed the Airfix 1/24 kit, IIRC.
>
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>> RobG
>> (The Aussie one)

it looked in scale with 1/32.
someone@some.domain - 16 Nov 2007 16:16 GMT
>>>        When did MB do a 1/32 Stuka? All I remember are the Venom,
>>> Tiger Moth, Lysander, Me-109, SBD & Spitfire.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>RobG
>(The Aussie one)
who did the mpc?
100450.3563@compuserve.com - 16 Nov 2007 19:45 GMT
>        When did MB do a 1/32 Stuka? All I remember are the Venom,
> Tiger Moth, Lysander, Me-109, SBD & Spitfire.

Matchbox also did a Puma Helicopter in 1/32.

Martin
Enzo Matrix - 16 Nov 2007 10:33 GMT
> I have the Stuka, 109 and SBD.  Are they at least close?  Most people
> bang on MB kits, but I was actually fairly impressed with the detail,
> particularly on the SBD.  But then I'm just a rank amateur, so I
> could be way off.

From what I remember of the time, the main criticism of Matchbox kits was
that the engraved panel lines were deep trenches.  The 1/32 kits were well
received at the time.  They were well detailed - again for the time. That
same level of detail wouldn't be so impressive today, but today we have
aftermarket resin and PE that can be used. If you are prepared to do a lot
of detailing and re-engraving, then the Matchbox kits can still be used to
produce a stunning model.

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Enzo

I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

Jules - 16 Nov 2007 18:58 GMT
> > I have the Stuka, 109 and SBD.  Are they at least close?  Most people
> > bang on MB kits, but I was actually fairly impressed with the detail,
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> of detailing and re-engraving, then the Matchbox kits can still be used to
> produce a stunning model.

I have been doing the old Mbox boxed Venom for years...doing bits on it, i
did lots of detail to the cockpit, but i guess its not accurate as i
didnt/dont have fotos (i asked on here about 5 years ag).  i impoved the
seats...I WILL complete it one day, but not with the orig decals that were
screwed.....

If anyone has the Revell kit, and can spare a option that would be great
Enzo Matrix - 16 Nov 2007 19:00 GMT
> I have been doing the old Mbox boxed Venom for years...doing bits on
> it, i did lots of detail to the cockpit, but i guess its not accurate
> as i didnt/dont have fotos (i asked on here about 5 years ag).  i
> impoved the seats...I WILL complete it one day, but not with the orig
> decals that were screwed.....

nodnodnod  I had a similar problem with the decals. The middle of each decal
tended to lift off the backing sheet.

> If anyone has the Revell kit, and can spare a option that would be
> great

Maybe Revell could provide you with a new decal sheet.

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Enzo

I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

Jules - 16 Nov 2007 19:18 GMT
> > I have been doing the old Mbox boxed Venom for years...doing bits on
> > it, i did lots of detail to the cockpit, but i guess its not accurate
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Maybe Revell could provide you with a new decal sheet.

Well i know the rep for my area, will give him a call at home tomorrow and
pester him..

I did a huge amount of filling and making the kit look good, shame to waste
it.

Im surprised no one has done a decal sheet for this, esp as its back out...
Enzo Matrix - 16 Nov 2007 21:19 GMT
>>> I have been doing the old Mbox boxed Venom for years...doing bits on
>>> it, i did lots of detail to the cockpit, but i guess its not
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> Im surprised no one has done a decal sheet for this, esp as its back
> out...

That's a very good point, especially as the kit could also be built as an
RAF Venom NF3.

I wonder if a short run decal sheet would be profitable.  There were five
RAF squadrons which used the type and probably three FAA squadrons. In
addition there would no doubt have been at least one operational conversion
unit for each service. The type was also exported. Plenty of scope for
markings there.

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Enzo

I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

Jules - 16 Nov 2007 22:38 GMT
> >>> I have been doing the old Mbox boxed Venom for years...doing bits on
> >>> it, i did lots of detail to the cockpit, but i guess its not
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> unit for each service. The type was also exported. Plenty of scope for
> markings there.

Yes, i asked about it, as i know personally some decal makers and artists, i
can push them again..

Has anyone actually built this kit?

Im quite happy actually, i managed to pick up this week, a 72nd Airfix Bucc
still sealed...at the old price.  Mind you, i cant see me building it, i had
every bit of etch, resin available years ago, but never had the kit, so i
sold them on ebay (mind you, got a fantastic price)

I didnt get the chance to goto Telford, so didnt pick up a hold n fold style
tool..so cant start my 48th Su-22
tomcervo - 17 Nov 2007 05:47 GMT
> From what I remember of the time, the main criticism of Matchbox kits was
> that the engraved panel lines were deep trenches. �The 1/32 kits were well
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> of detailing and re-engraving, then the Matchbox kits can still be used to
> produce a stunning model.

And they did a Spit 22/24 in 1/32 when the only other kit was the old
Hawk 1/70something.
Pat Flannery - 17 Nov 2007 11:25 GMT
> And they did a Spit 22/24 in 1/32 when the only other kit was the old
> Hawk 1/70something.
>  

Don't knock that Airfix Spitfire Mk. I in 1/24.
Far as I know, that was the first 1/24th scale model of a WWII fighter
aircraft ever done.
And they followed it up in short order with the Bf-109E... so you could
have a dogfight right out of The Battle Of Britain in big scale.
Those were the golden days of model building...when you never knew what
was coming next, except that you had to have it.
The younger set around here can't remember that time in the late
60's-early 70's when all hell was breaking loose in regards to wonderful
models, and all the companies were basically going: "Oh yeah? Try this
on for size!" on a month-to-month basis.
You had to have a subscription to Scale Modeler even to hope to keep up
with what had hit the model-building scene this month...or even week.
Jeeze, what a time to be alive for a model builder. :-)

Pat

Pat
Claus Gustafsen - 16 Nov 2007 14:44 GMT
Actually they are rather precise in dimmentions, but as one has already
mentioned, can use some detailing. Also the panel lines are to prominent on
some kits. I have read that the MB Bf 109E is considered better than the
Hasegawa version when it comes to dimention.

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>I have the Stuka, 109 and SBD.  Are they at least close?  Most people bang
> on MB kits, but I was actually fairly impressed with the detail,
> particularly on the SBD.  But then I'm just a rank amateur, so I could be
> way off.

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