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Model Forum / General / Models / November 2007Where were you on November 22, 1963?
Where were you on November 22, 1963? GREAT DETAIL HERE ! http://message.alturl.com > Where were you on November 22, 1963? On a grassy knoll. WmB >> Where were you on November 22, 1963? > > On a grassy knoll. Alone?  SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. >>> Where were you on November 22, 1963? >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Alone? > I was down in the storm sewer with Ann-Margret. Elvis was in the book depository: http://home.pacbell.net/hrwhite3/Contents.htm Pat >>> Where were you on November 22, 1963? >> >> On a grassy knoll. > > Alone? 'Cept for a couple of leprachauns, Klaatu and Jim Garrison - yeah pretty much. WmB >>> Where were you on November 22, 1963? >> >> On a grassy knoll. > > Alone? Playing football in the back yard after watching the first ever episode of Dr Who with my friend Brian when my dad came out and told us Kennedy had been shot. It was extremely cold, slightly foggy and there was an acrid smell of smoke in the air. That was because many homes in England were still heated by coal fires in those days and the railway engines were still powered by steam. I was nine years old at the time. (kim) > Playing football in the back yard after watching the first ever episode of > Dr Who with my friend Brian when my dad came out and told us Kennedy had [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > powered by steam. I was nine years old at the time. > And there was a odd rythmic grinding sound and this police call box appeared out of nowhere. Meanwhile, in the Dallas book depository, the Dalek lowered the Carcano rifle from its manipulator arm. :-) Pat >Where were you on November 22, 1963? > >GREAT DETAIL HERE ! > >http://message.alturl.com a.shole. > bote wrote: > Where were you on November 22, 1963? > GREAT DETAIL HERE ! > http://message.alturl.com Too young for that one. But I was in music class in 5th grade when Reagan got shot. Our teacher did a class prayer for the Gipper. I always seem to miss the big events live. I was walking back from gym class to my biology class back in 1986 when the shuttle challenger blew up at launch. Of course they were playing the launch live over in the library on t.v. but I missed it. ( really didn't matter because the showed the replay on t.v. about a billion times later that night ). When Janet Jackson showed her nipple at the Super-bowl a few years back I was right in front of a huge big screen t.v. I was reaching for some chips and dip and missed it. Everyone else was like " eeeewwwww did you see that ? " Tee he Chris :> bote wrote: :> Where were you on November 22, 1963? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : Too young for that one. But I was in music class in 5th grade when : Reagan got shot. Our teacher did a class prayer for the Gipper. I was either in class or playing hookie. The best part to that one was ol Casper proclaiming "I'm in charge!". Ummm, no. You are not. Elvis choose to kick off while I was at a summer football camp. Not being a fan of "the king", I was unimpressed. Others at the camp thought it was the end of the world. Lennon was killed while I was preparing for some sort of finals, I am sure. Did not kike him, either. Nor, generally, for the Beatles. : I always seem to miss the big events live. I was walking back from : gym class to my biology class back in 1986 when the shuttle challenger : blew up at launch. I walked out of the engineering building, looked north and said "oh, sh.t". A co-worker had a tiny "portable" TV, which was my first tip off. Colombia was in the process of breaking up overhead - a friend was shooting it as it went over. And, I might as well confess to being in the Atlanta area when the bomb was found during the olympics. Officially, I was on my way to Va. Beach for the IMPS/US Nationals... As for Kennedy, I was probably looking for dinner... Bruce Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX. - Thuganlitha The Power and the Prophet Robert Don Hughes > : Too young for that one. But I was in music class in 5th grade when > : Reagan got shot. Our teacher did a class prayer for the Gipper. > : > I was either in class or playing hookie. The best part to that > one was ol Casper proclaiming "I'm in charge!". Ummm, no. You are > not. That wasn't Caspar Weinberger - that was Al Haig "in charge here at the White House" right after Reagan was shot. I was in 7th grade in class when Kennedy was shot. I'll never forget the announcement coming over the loudspeaker that he had been shot, and not long after that the news that he was dead. The following days were somber indeed. It was the first time I remember being riveted to the TV watching major news unfold - including the shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald as it happened live on camera. The funeral procession and the burial at Arlington along with the pucture of Johnson taking the oath of office with a blood stained Jackie looking on are etched in memory. BobbyG > Bruce Burden wrote: > Elvis choose to kick off while I was at a summer football camp. > Not being a fan of "the king", I was unimpressed. Others at the > camp thought it was the end of the world. Strange the things I remember from when I was a kid. I was in the back seat of my friends Ford El Torino, driving past country farms on the way back to Vance AFB in Enid, Oklahoma. My friends mom who was driving had the radio news on and they annonced that Elvis had kicked the bucket and she sighed .... ahhhhh. > Colombia was in the process of breaking up overhead - a friend > was shooting it as it went over. I was snoozing away at a truck stop in the pan-handle of Texas while all that went on. Once again missing the whole thing. Chris Kennedy - Was in class when announcement came over the intercom. Neil Armstrong Moonwalk - Was at the NCO Club at Ft. McClellan in a raging thunderstorm. Just as he stepped from the ladder, lightning struck the antenna and the TV blew. We couldn't believe our bad luck. Desert One Fiasco - Was driving to my office when it was announced. 9/11 - Was pulling out of my garage when the first "Lear jet" hit. Decided to go back into the house to see what was going on. Saw the second "Lear jet" hit and realized the CNN announcer didn't know the difference between Norman Lear and a Lear jet. The same guy later breathlessly described US soldiers "armed with AK-47's" running around the Pentagon. >> bote wrote: >> Where were you on November 22, 1963? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Chris : 9/11 - Was pulling out of my garage when the first "Lear jet" hit. Decided : to go back into the house to see what was going on. Saw the second "Lear : jet" hit and realized the CNN announcer didn't know the difference between : Norman Lear and a Lear jet. The same guy later breathlessly described US : soldiers "armed with AK-47's" running around the Pentagon. It is sobering to realize how clueless the newsies are. I was very impressed when one (barely) managed to name the F-16 leading up to ODS. However, my fav from ODS was some idiot at the main US base in the kingdom on Saud, yapping on about "boosters or heaters or something like that - they make the plane go really fast!" Meanwhile, over his shoulder there was a plane "landing". Dude, landing? Really? With dual shock cones, and all that noise, are you sure the plane is "landing"? As for 9/11, I was moving. I walked into work in time to hear that "the tower collapsed!". My immediate response was "bullshit", but after seeing the replay, again - "oh sh.t". Bruce Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX. - Thuganlitha The Power and the Prophet Robert Don Hughes > As for 9/11, I was moving. I walked into work in time to hear > that "the tower collapsed!". My immediate response was "bullshit", > but after seeing the replay, again - "oh sh.t". > It was hard to grasp the reality of it...one kept associating it with movie special effects. The Onion satirical newspaper noted the same thing: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28144 Pat >> As for 9/11, I was moving. I walked into work in time to hear >> that "the tower collapsed!". My immediate response was "bullshit", >> but after seeing the replay, again - "oh sh.t". I was at work when my sister called to say she had heard something on the car radio about a plane accidentally crashing into the WTC. One of the offices had a small TV in it. We clicked it on and they replayed the footage. A few minutes later we saw the second plane hit. The anchor was confused and initially believed his producer had rolled tape of the first impact. A couple of us muttered that's another plane, you could see the first tower burning in the background. He caught his mistake fairly quickly and that was about the exact moment that the entire viewing world came to realize in one deep breath that this was a whole different thing than an accidental collision. I regret that most people have let 9/11 slip from their conscience and seem to feel our job against those that executed the murders, is done. But honestly, I myself cannot bear to watch 9/11 footage again. I've tried and I always wind up with a burning angry desire to see the US go nuclear Rambo on some people. And that ain't healthy - for anyone. WmB > I regret that most people have let 9/11 slip from their conscience and > seem to feel our job against those that executed the murders, is > done. But honestly, I myself cannot bear to watch 9/11 footage again. > I've tried and I always wind up with a burning angry desire to see the > US go nuclear Rambo on some people. And that ain't healthy - for anyone. What really torqued me off was watching all the Palestinians jumping up-and-down in Gaza City and cheering after they heard about it....meanwhile, Yasser Arafat was walking around in something like a horrified catatonic trance among the cheering people, realizing what this meant in regards to American-Arab relations. Best to steer as far clear of that part of the world as possible, lest you get sucked into the hate vortex of it that's been spinning around inside of it like a razor-bladed meat grinder for several thousand years. "This is Hell; nor have you stopped being politically involved in it." At least I do give myself credit for coming up with a outside-the-box solution to the perpetual Israeli/Palestinian problem: "The Iranian President further suggested that if such a Jewish nation was to be established in the world in the aftermath of the Holocaust, it should have been established in either the United States or Europe- not in Palestine. Okay, let's run with that idea. The total population of Israel is around 6,352,117 according to the CIA Fact book on nations: https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/is.html In comparison to that figure, the total population of the United States is around 298,444,215 according to the same source. In other words, the total population of Israel is only around 4.6% of the entire United States population. I'm pretty sure we could absorb a 4.6% increase in our total population without major threat, particularly if that 4.6% of total population gain consisted of some of the most literate and well-educated people on the face of the planet. So here's my Grand Schemata: the entire population of the nation of Israel must be encouraged to emigrate to the United States at the earliest opportunity. This shall accomplish many things in one fell swoop: 1.) The United States shall no longer serve as a lightning rod in regards to any problems between the Israelis and their Arab neighbors, with resulting terrorism on United States soil. 2.) Further economic aid to Israel can be eliminated from the federal budget, thereby saving us between two and four billion dollars a year. 3.) Palestinians can now have their land back, and figure out what exactly _they_ can do with that much desert wasteland given a chance. 4.) The Arabs could now get back to their great historical and theological business - debating who should have truly taken up the mantle of Mohammad as the sole leader of Islam, and killing each other over anyone who doesn't see it that way. 5.) The west could get back _our_ historical and theological business - debating how best to screw with the Islamic brain in an attempt to get oil at the lowest prices, and turn the above two groups of Islam against each other to our benefit. 6.) Israel shall now have its true historical capital back, and rebuilt in the Promised Land Of Milk And Honey; i.e. Beverly Hills...or possibly Las Vegas or Miami...God shall certainly send the sure sign as to where it is supposed to be, possibly in the form of a burning palm tree that doesn't involve fireworks or clever fountains and spotlights, the best Kosher deli you ever saw in your life..."and what great prices!", or a tailor that can make clothes that fit you perfectly without even using a tape measure...from the first time you try them on..."without even needing to be taken in!"...something miraculous like that. 7.) Being that the Israelis were the first people who came up with the brilliant concept of tossing their God into a gold-covered suitcase with two Cherubim on top, and getting the hell out of town when the going got bad, a new venue for the continuing history of Judaism should be a great inspiration to new stories for the Midrash. See them now, parting the East River, and fleeing from the hard bondage of Manhattan's Fifth Avenue with the chariots of the ad executives in hot pursuit, to their time of wandering around in Queens till they can hail a cab....which might take up to forty years. :-) A key to it is convincing the Israelis that the United States is their actual homeland, and Moses took a wrong turn while out in the desert (since he took forty years to march them a few hundred miles, I assume he took a _lot_ of wrong turns; either that, or he started following the wrong cloud with disastrous results). In this regard, the Mormon belief that Native Americans are the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel may prove most useful; whereas I don't really expect the Israelis to buy this whole concept, it will give them a reasonable excuse to high-tail it out of the Mideast to greener pastures on this side of the Atlantic without loss of pride, and I see the Native American casinos being put on far firmer and well regulated financial ground as a result. I am also fairly sure that bison chew their cud, and Kosher Bison On Rye could become a new taste sensation that would rapidly gain favor at delis near these casinos. Any doubt about the kosher aspect of bison can be quickly eliminated by merely looking at one's face: http://www.vetmed.wisc.edu/dms/fapm/personnel/tom_b/2005-buffalo.jpg You will note that this creature is bearded, and does not cut the hair at the corners of its head. It might as well be wearing a Yamaka. If Michelangelo's sculpture of Moses is to be believed, the horns may also be highly significant: http://www.onlinekunst.de/maerz/img/s5_b2_michelangelo.jpg " ;-) Pat > What really torqued me off was watching all the Palestinians jumping > up-and-down in Gaza City and cheering after they heard about > it....meanwhile, Yasser Arafat was walking around in something like a > horrified catatonic trance among the cheering people, realizing what > this meant in regards to American-Arab relations. He knew that the fanatics would be nothing but trouble; too bad he was such a crook himself. He imbezzled millions from his own people, for all the good it did him. > "The Iranian President further suggested that if such a Jewish nation > was to be established in the world in the aftermath of the Holocaust, it [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > time of wandering around in Queens till they can hail a cab....which > might take up to forty years. :-) Think about who ~drives~ those cabs.... 8-P > A key to it is convincing the Israelis that the United States is their > actual homeland, and Moses took a wrong turn while out in the desert [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Pat >> 7.) Being that the Israelis were the first people who came up with the >> brilliant concept of tossing their God into a gold-covered suitcase with [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Think about who ~drives~ those cabs.... > I hadn't thought of that little problem. :-) There's a standard Israeli joke that goes: "Moses wanders around in the desert for forty years and manages to settle in the one place in the Mideast that doesn't have oil." Pat >So here's my Grand Schemata: the entire population of the nation of >Israel must be encouraged to emigrate to the United States at the >earliest opportunity. That was quite an essay. I used to admire the Jews for their many accomplishments in the sciences and arts and still do. The recurring question was why were they so hated and persecuted throughout their long history and in every land in Christiandom they had settled in. After all their best had been close and much valued confidants of emperors, kings, and the aristocracy. They held high office in those lands until the inevitable pogroms and an almost instinctive if irrational hatred for Jews across generation of gentiles. What happened? Then they see what they did and are still doing in Palestine. And we see how they had corrupted the governance and the founding institutions of the mighty United States over the recent 40 years. There is a foreboding of doom that will end in the inevitable trainwreck. There will eventually come a modern version of the pogroms. This seems their historical and cultural fate to be repeated once more. The Arabs will not remain backward and downtrodden forever. And Israel's protector has been shown to have limited ability to impose her will on foreign lands. I won't be alive to see that day. > The Arabs will not remain backward and downtrodden > forever. And Israel's protector has been shown to have limited > ability to impose her will on foreign lands. I won't be alive to see > that day. > Well, that giant Mideast peace conference at Annapolis this week is a duzzy of an opportunity for things to go completely off-kilter in some disastrous way. What if someone blows it up or terrorists kidnap or kill some of the delegates to it? If there is one person that could take a delicate situation and figure out some way to screw it up beyond recognition, it's George W. Bush. It's like sending a monkey with a burning torch into a dynamite factory to see if there are any fire dangers in there. I'm expecting a very fascinating week ahead. Pat >> The Arabs will not remain backward and downtrodden >> forever. And Israel's protector has been shown to have limited [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Pat And if Bush were a Dem, liberals would be hailing the mere appearance of the Arabs and Israelis together at the conference as a major success in itself. A veritable fait accompli. WmB > And if Bush were a Dem, liberals would be hailing the mere appearance > of the Arabs and Israelis together at the conference as a major > success in itself. A veritable fait accompli. Clinton tried this near the end of his presidency also...the Arabs and Israelis tell you whatever you want to hear, then go right back to business as usual. I wonder if this is some reaction to Gore getting the Nobel Peace Prize? Pat : What if someone blows it up or terrorists kidnap or kill some of the : delegates to it? That would be different how? :=/ : If there is one person that could take a delicate situation and figure : out some way to screw it up beyond recognition, it's George W. Bush. Well, he was good about ignoring it for 7 years. I hear HW got really upset over the Israeli raid on the reactor, so perhaps that is where he got his disinclination from? But, hey, he is the "fiscally responsible" president. : It's like sending a monkey with a burning torch into a dynamite factory : to see if there are any fire dangers in there. If that happens, one of daddy's "bidniz buddies" will buy the factory site, and claim that it was an "urban renewal" project, so W's actions were all planned. Nope, no disaster here. Move along... I hate the MLB. I hope W becomes the next MLB commish. Bruce Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX. - Thuganlitha The Power and the Prophet Robert Don Hughes >The Arabs will not remain backward and downtrodden > forever. And Israel's protector has been shown to have limited > ability to impose her will on foreign lands. I won't be alive to see > that day. Neither will any arabs. WmB >>The Arabs will not remain backward and downtrodden >> forever. And Israel's protector has been shown to have limited [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >WmB And that is exactly the universal horror. To take out the whole Middle East you have to also take out the remaining Muslim World. That requires destruction on a global scale from which no one escapes. To prevent such a holocaust the rest of the world might just be forced take a preemptive strike against a mad dog US. Hey I don't want to go there even if its just for a theoretical argument. One delicious thought though. All the nukes in the US arsenal will not be able to take out the ME. All their cities maybe, but not the whole geographical area or populations. So the US is disarmed nuke wise. Russia, China and any number of nuke countries point theirs at the US and say "Gotcha." >>>The Arabs will not remain backward and downtrodden >>> forever. And Israel's protector has been shown to have limited [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >wise. Russia, China and any number of nuke countries point theirs at >the US and say "Gotcha." i suspect the 25000 remaining us nukes could take out the planet, not just the middle east. we did scrap 20000 older and smaller weapons. it also takes about 2 hours to make an ordinary hydrogen bomb really nasty. just wrap it in cobalt and sodium and make a continent sterile. >i suspect the 25000 remaining us nukes could take out the planet, not just the >middle east. >we did scrap 20000 older and smaller weapons. You won't have any ICBMs, boomers or long range bombers left to deliver. >>i suspect the 25000 remaining us nukes could take out the planet, not just the > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >You won't have any ICBMs, boomers or long range bombers left to >deliver. don't bet the farm. our military is paranoid enough. >>>i suspect the 25000 remaining us nukes could take out the planet, not >>>just the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > don't bet the farm. our military is paranoid enough. You know I was just thinking to myself the other day the absolute last thing the Chicoms want to do, worst case scenario of the apocalyptic kind, is to blind the US by knocking down our satellite net. For our trigger pullers, that'd just about have to be a guaranteed launch of the full package. On the bright side (literally), the til now eco-reluctant Chicoms would be taking the point on global warming. Once they get passed their first 10-15 nuclear winters of course. Best that the Chicoms stick to killing us slowly with lead poisoning. WmB > You know I was just thinking to myself the other day the absolute last > thing the Chicoms want to do, worst case scenario of the apocalyptic > kind, is to blind the US by knocking down our satellite net. For our > trigger pullers, that'd just about have to be a guaranteed launch of > the full package. Except for one possible problem: A lot of the internal components we use in our computers both in the private and defense industry were manufactured in China, and has been pointed out by many recently, we don't know if they have added a few little things into the circuitry that allows them to hit the big red button in Beijing and shut off most of the computers in the U.S.. > On the bright side (literally), the til now eco-reluctant Chicoms > would be taking the point on global warming. Once they get passed > their first 10-15 nuclear winters of course. ...and the fallout floats over the Pacific and gets us also. When I was a kid we were warned not to eat any snow for a few days because of a Soviet nuclear test, then the week or so without drinking milk due to another Soviet test, then the rainstorm several years later we weren't supposed to go out in because of a nuclear test the Chinese did. Now multiply that by around a thousand or so. Freezing to death is probably preferable to dieing of radiation poisoning over a period of days or weeks. Besides the Chinese aren't going to attack their best customer, especially when they can slowly poison their children with their toys, in best Fu-Manchu style. Pat >...and the fallout floats over the Pacific and gets us also. At the rate WmB is going he comes across as typical cannon fodder. Give him a little encouragement and the problem will solve itself. > When I was a kid we were warned not to eat any snow for a few days because > of a Soviet nuclear test, Don't ever eat green snow - EVER! WmB > Except for one possible problem: > A lot of the internal components we use in our computers both in the > private and defense industry were manufactured in China, and has been > pointed out by many recently, we don't know if they have added a few > little things into the circuitry that allows them to hit the big red > button in Beijing and shut off most of the computers in the U.S.. A strong possibility. I read recently about portable hard drives manufacturered in Red China (MaxTell, IIRC) that were found to have some kind of spyware hardwired in. These drives are the big guys, 500 Gb and bigger, the kind used by governments, business and banking interests. If the story is true (I only saw one reference so far), it means that the ChinComs are setting themselves up to spy on our business. It's not a big leap from there to the "big red button" scenerio. > ...and the fallout floats over the Pacific and gets us also. > When I was a kid we were warned not to eat any snow for a few days [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > especially when they can slowly poison their children with their toys, > in best Fu-Manchu style. It's possible that they learned this from the Soviets. Those creeps would boobytrap kids' toys (Teddy bears, and the like) and drop them in Afghanistan to terrorize the local kids and dishearten their parents. The Old Man wrote:in the U.S.. > A strong possibility. I read recently about portable hard drives > manufacturered in Red China (MaxTell, IIRC) that were found to have [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > A friend of mine, a computer "Grand Old Boy" so to speak, said that the problem would reside in the RAM chips. >> ...and the fallout floats over the Pacific and gets us also. >> When I was a kid we were warned not to eat any snow for a few days [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > parents. > Did you ever hear what we did to them via letting them steal the subtly modified computer programs that they used in the Siberian gas fields? This was very sneaky; this was completely underhanded; this was downright brilliant. The Canadians were using the program in their gas fields, and the Soviets realized it would a lot easier to steal it from Canada than the U.S. So, one day a "Canadian" came to them and offered it as a traitor to the west. They paid the cash, and took it right back home. Their computer whizz kids looked it over, decided it was clean, and installed it in their Siberian gas fields. They had missed something very subtle in the huge number of lines of code in the program. There were several small sections of code that worked as clocks. Unfortunately, none of the seconds each of them counted as seconds was exactly a second in length. Some were just a tiny bit shy of a second; others were just a tiny bit longer than a second. But like a set of huge rotating gears of subtly different diameters, each varying in the number of teeth on its its circumference by one, and that last tooth marked, they sooner or later would line up with that specific tooth on each of the gears arriving at the same place simultaneously. And at that point, another tiny little line of the program would swing into action. The one that commanded all the valves on the entire gas pipeline to shut simultaneously, while all the pumps went up to full speed along the entire pipeline to drive the liquefied natural gas forward at full tilt. This was the huge fire in Siberia that our defense satellites clean out in geosynchronous orbit, 22,000 miles up, detected as a possible mass Soviet missile launch, and the Soviets explained as a "giant forest fire". They couldn't blame us for it; as admitting it would be admitting they had stolen the computer program. You've got to love such a brilliant idea; even Ian Fleming couldn't have come up with something like that. :-D Pat >They couldn't blame us for it; as admitting it would be admitting they >had stolen the computer program. >You've got to love such a brilliant idea; even Ian Fleming couldn't have >come up with something like that. :-D You were doing pretty good up till now. A technical objection. All oilfield equipment have physical safety interlocks that shut down should there be a malfunction. A malfunction is any event that is outside preset operating parameters. The interlocks act on sensors and feedback loops and are independent of software control. Thus malicious software can shut down the pipeline. But it cannot cause the pumps to overspeed and keep running in that condition. A shutdown of a critical component, eg. the closing of a valve that results in the build-up of pressure, will cause a cascade of further shutdowns along the line. Its very costly to bring the system back on line again. But it beats wrecking equipment or having the plant blow up. > You were doing pretty good up till now. A technical objection. All > oilfield equipment have physical safety interlocks that shut down [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > again. But it beats wrecking equipment or having the plant blow up. > Here's the story: http://tinyurl.com/38lomn Pat Pat >>>>i suspect the 25000 remaining us nukes could take out the planet, not >>>>just the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >WmB and cheap consumables. >>> As for 9/11, I was moving. I walked into work in time to hear >>> that "the tower collapsed!". My immediate response was "bullshit", [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > WmB I can't watch the Flight 93 movie, the good theatrical one that came out, nor any of the History channel recreations. I think about being in the plane or having a loved one on board... I lnow just how you feel. Frank > Kennedy - Was in class when announcement came over the intercom. > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > - Show quoted text - No, those were the ~Blackwater~ soldiers.... 8-P >> Neil Armstrong Moonwalk - Was at the NCO Club at Ft. McClellan in a >> raging >> thunderstorm. Just as he stepped from the ladder, lightning struck the >> antenna and the TV blew. We couldn't believe our bad luck. Crawled up in front of the TV watching it. 1st grade was a year away. I got to watch a lot of Apollo stuff back in the day - between Captain Kangaroo in the morning and Gilligan in the afternoon, of course >> Desert One Fiasco - Was driving to my office when it was announced. Came home in the afternoon from school to find that idiot Carter blubbering on TV yet again. When I registered with the selective service a few years later, I was so relieved that it fell on Reagan's watch. WmB > Came home in the afternoon from school to find that idiot Carter > blubbering on TV yet again. I always got a kick out of that; the Iranians take our people hostage, and Carter tries a desperate and heroic rescue operation that doesn't work due to a sandstorm and bad luck. Reagan, on the other hand, tells them that "if you left our people go, we'll secretly send you arms." Who had the balls, and who was the appeaser to the terrorist demands in that situation? Pat >> Came home in the afternoon from school to find that idiot Carter >> blubbering on TV yet again. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Pat You do realize the Western hostages Reagan was aiming to free were in fact freed as a result, right? That's called results - especially if you were one of the hostages WmB > >> Came home in the afternoon from school to find that idiot Carter > >> blubbering on TV yet again. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > - Show quoted text - What was the result after that Islamic scum murdered over 250 Marines in Beruit? He cut and ran and the NeoCons ~still~ beatified him. The last great president this country has seen was Roosevelt! Theodore Roosevelt! > What was the result after that Islamic scum murdered over 250 Marines > in Beruit? He cut and ran and the NeoCons ~still~ beatified him. > The last great president this country has seen was Roosevelt! > Theodore Roosevelt! > That guy was one of the most extraordinary leaders any country ever had. I never agreed with his setting the U.S. on the road to world empire, but I can't help but love the guy. Occasionally, you get exactly the right person in exactly the right place at exactly the right time. That was Teddy Roosevelt. In biologist Stephen Jay Gould's book "Bully for Brontosaurus" there's a story about him called "Red Wings In The Sunset". In 1911 Teddy wrote a article to rebut Abbot H. Thayer's theory that all animal coloration is some form of camouflage; including the concept that peacock's tails let them hide among flowers, and flamingos are pink so that alligators can't see them silhouetted against the sunset. He was getting ready to get back into politics again, but wasn't going to let such compete balderdash go by without tearing the theory a whole new a-hole and so whipped up a little _100 page_ scientific paper to show it was wrong. Just like everyone else who studies him, Gould was awestruck by this singular individual, and said for that article alone, he deserves to be up there on Mt. Rushmore. :-) Pat > > What was the result after that Islamic scum murdered over 250 Marines > > in Beruit? He cut and ran and the NeoCons ~still~ beatified him. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Pat I often think that he'd eat the current administration just because of their incompetence. I don't think he'd be happy with the lax attitude to the environment they've shown. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > I often think that he'd eat the current administration just because of > their incompetence. > I don't think he'd be happy with the lax attitude to the environment > they've shown. > I always got a kick out of the fact that his kids had a pet badger, a creature not noted for a friendly temperament. I assume the creature took one look at Teddy and realized if it injured one of the kids Teddy would probably literally bite its head off. Back when Dubya first got into office, his supporters claimed he was going to be the new Theodore Roosevelt. Stop laughing, I'm serious, they actually said that. :-) He has as much in common with Teddy Roosevelt as a sparrow has in common with a eagle. Although the Iraq debacle has a lot in common with the invasion of the Philippines, that he decided to do as Assistant Secretary of the Navy one night when the Secretary of the Navy was out of the office. At first it looks great...the evil Spaniards have been driven out, and the people are free...to become a new addition to the nascent American Empire, which they don't like, so the trouble begins: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine-American_War Later, with around half a million people dead, things get worked out. An interesting aspect of the war was that we employed water boarding to get information out of captured insurgents; in fact the whole thing has a freakish similarity to Iraq in a lot of ways: http://tinyurl.com/2vydf7 Pat Pat typed: > Stop laughing, I'm serious, they actually said that. :-) No doubt. Their credibility is well below Joe Isuzu's. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> >> Came home in the afternoon from school to find that idiot Carter >> >> blubbering on TV yet again. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > The last great president this country has seen was Roosevelt! > Theodore Roosevelt! The point remains regarding Reagan's deal to free the hostages. In point blank terms - it worked. And it only called for the sacrifice of one Marine lt colonel, a Navy Admiral, a cute secretary and an office shredder. Any day now Jimmy Carter should announce he's brokered a deal with the North Koreans to suspend their nuke program - oh wait - BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!! WmB on 11/20/2007 3:10 PM WmB said the following: >>> >> Came home in the afternoon from school to find that idiot Carter >>> >> blubbering on TV yet again. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > And it only called for the sacrifice of one Marine lt colonel, a Navy > Admiral, a cute secretary and an office shredder. Ah, Fawn Hall. What a beauty. I'd like to see a pic of her now. > Any day now Jimmy Carter should announce he's brokered a deal with the > North Koreans to suspend their nuke program - oh wait - > BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > WmB SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ on 11/19/2007 1:06 AM Pat Flannery said the following: >> Came home in the afternoon from school to find that idiot Carter >> blubbering on TV yet again. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Pat Yeah, but where is the carrier USS Jimmy Carter, a Navy Vet? You'll note that the Iranians took the hostages after John Wayne died. They weren't worried about Carter. :-) SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ > Yeah, but where is the carrier USS Jimmy Carter, a Navy Vet? Well, I kinda hate to break this to you, but: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Jimmy_Carter He got the third Sea Wolf class attack sub named after him, as befits a navel nuclear engineer from the sub corp. Extremely expensive, the three "Sea Wolf" class attack subs are hands-down the most capable nuclear attack subs that ever sailed the seas of this planet. The new "Virginia" class is an economy model of them. > You'll note that the Iranians took the hostages after John Wayne died. > They weren't worried about Carter. :-) And Marion Morrison once almost shot a P-40 down, pilgrim, so what's your point? I'm not going to get angry at you. I'm not going to get angry at you. The hell I'm not... Pat Pat > > Yeah, but where is the carrier USS Jimmy Carter, a Navy Vet? > Well, I kinda hate to break this to you, but: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Pat ...and suddenly I'm seeing Maureen O'Hara running down the street in a state of 'deshabile'. Mmmmmmmm. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > Kennedy - Was in class when announcement came over the intercom. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > breathlessly described US soldiers "armed with AK-47's" running around > the Pentagon. I lived in Norhtern Virginia at the time. Was laying in bed trying to get up for work. Heard about the first plnne crash, all I could think of was the B- 25 that hit the Empire State Building years ago. "Nasty bit of bad luck" was going through my mind. And then they said another had crashed and I sat bolt upright. After the Pentagon crash they sent us home as we were located near the National Reconasiance Office and the owner was concerned they might be a target. All I remember of Kennedy was being annoyed that my cartoons were being interuppted and I couldn't grasp why. I heard about the shuttle in an elevator at a medical building, it must have just happened while I was in an exam. 2 docs were talking about "how it had to happen eventually". Got in the car, turned on the radio and ... Frank > I lived in Norhtern Virginia at the time. Was laying in bed trying to get up > for work. Heard about the first plnne crash, all I could think of was the B- [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Reconasiance Office and the owner was concerned they might be a target. > They never were able to figure out where airliner # 4 was targeted for; either the White House or Capitol Building; If it had hit the Capitol Building, the results might have been unexpected. That big dome is made out of 8,909,200 pounds of cast and wrought iron. The plane may have splattered on it like a bug running into a windshield. Pat > > I lived in Norhtern Virginia at the time. Was laying in bed trying to get up > > for work. Heard about the first plnne crash, all I could think of was the B- [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Pat It would have rung like a bell - the world's largest Liberty Bell! They would have heard the chime in Meccah! > > > I lived in Norhtern Virginia at the time. Was laying in bed trying to get up > > > for work. Heard about the first plnne crash, all I could think of was the B- [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > It would have rung like a bell - the world's largest Liberty Bell! > They would have heard the chime in Meccah! I was 7 and 6 months and I asked my father, who sat in front of the black and white screen crying, "How well did you know President Kennedy?" because the only time I had ever seen him cry is when someone close had died. Also, I was a little slow. (the second reason why I had asked him) > It would have rung like a bell - the world's largest Liberty Bell! > They would have heard the chime in Meccah! > I'm still trying to figure out how long it takes to make eight million pounds of iron into the form you want and attach it all together. Can you imagine the cranes they must have used to get all the parts into place? To give you some idea how much iron that is, the Eiffel Tower weighs twenty million, two hundred thousand pounds overall, and stood 852 feet tall when completed in 1889. There's more goodies on the dome here: http://www.aoc.gov/cc/capitol/dome.cfm Pat CCBlack <ccblack120@yahoo.com> wrote in news:01f65b25-f7b1-4679-881a- c82902443885@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: >> bote wrote: >> Where were you on November 22, 1963? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Too young for that one. But I was in music class in 5th grade when > Reagan got shot. Our teacher did a class prayer for the Gipper. Was walking a shore patrol beat in Hong Kong. Our reliefs were 9 hours late, as they shut *everything* down until they could be sure it wasn't a general insurrection or something. > I always seem to miss the big events live. I was walking back from > gym class to my biology class back in 1986 when the shuttle challenger > blew up at launch. Of course they were playing the launch live over > in the library on t.v. but I missed it. ( really didn't matter > because the showed the replay on t.v. about a billion times later that > night ). Was sitting at my desk, and someone from the office next door came over and sa'd "the space shuttle blew up!" I was mad at first, as I didn't believe her. :( > When Janet Jackson showed her nipple at the Super-bowl a few years > back I was right in front of a huge big screen t.v. I was reaching > for some chips and dip and missed it. Everyone else was like " > eeeewwwww did you see that ? " Not memorable at all, save for the (entirely undeserved) ruckus that followed. > Neil Armstrong Moonwalk - Was at the NCO Club at Ft. McClellan in a > > > > raging thunderstorm. Just as he stepped from the ladder, lightning > > struck the antenna and the TV blew. We couldn't believe our bad luck. Sitting at home, watching it on TV like everyone else. My dad was involved in the space program and was not at all interested, as it was all old hat to him. He complained loudly that he'd rather be watching "Batman". > Desert One Fiasco - Was driving to my office when it was announced. Sitting in CVIC on the Nimitz, pulling my hair out. cd SignatureThe difference between immorality and immortality is "T". I like Earl Grey. >> Too young for that one. But I was in music class in 5th grade when >> Reagan got shot. Our teacher did a class prayer for the Gipper. Working out in the yard. My Grandma was visiting us. She shouts out the door that the President was shot. I asked her the President of what - I just couldn;t fathom what the Kennedy generation talked about for years was now visiting my lifetime. And back at ya - Challenger disaster '86. College years. I was in my apartment eating breakfast and watching it live when it blew up. Glued to the TV for hourse after watching the same footage and hoping the many false reports - especially the one where the atsronauts may have ejected - proved to be true. WmB >>> Too young for that one. But I was in music class in 5th grade when >>> Reagan got shot. Our teacher did a class prayer for the Gipper. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > what the Kennedy generation > talked about for years was now visiting my lifetime. I was at a Catholic grade school...I got to go home from school early. Thank you, Mr. Oswald....or whoever. Pat On Nov 16, 12:15�pm, bote...@yahoo.com wrote: > Where were you on November 22, 1963? > > GREAT DETAIL HERE ! > > http://message.alturl.com I was five at the thime, but I do rmember watching the news and hearing about it from adults. Oddly, one thing I vividly remember is the funeral procession and the flag draped caisson, and I remember being solidly touched by it all. > On Nov 16, 12:15�pm, bote...@yahoo.com wrote: >> Where were you on November 22, 1963? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the funeral procession and the flag draped caisson, and I remember > being solidly touched by it all. I was four, but do remember watching it realtime and the coverage afterward with my grandfather...that, and seeing Oswald's shooting as well. Signature- Rufus On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:15:31 -0800, botenth wrote: > Where were you on November 22, 1963? > > GREAT DETAIL HERE ! > > http://message.alturl.com I was about 3 months old - so probably would not have any memories. But that begs a question: What is the youngest age from which one *can* or *does* have memories? One may seem to remember events from when they were 2 years old, for example, but are these real memories, or just "fake" ones influenced by old photos, anecdotes, etc.? SignatureGreg Heilers Registered Linux user #328317 - SlackWare 10.2 (2.6.13) AUS ..... He gets it from your side of the family, you know. No monsters on my side. -- Homer Simpson Treehouse of Horror II > On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:15:31 -0800, botenth wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > or just "fake" ones influenced by old photos, anecdotes, > etc.? Truth be told I was still 61 days out from breathing air for the first time on planet earth the day convertible presidential limousines were rendered obsolete. As for earliest memories, I have clear and distinct memories that I have been able to nail down with certainty as being late 1967-68 when I was 3 1/2 - 4 yrs old. WmB > > On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:15:31 -0800, botenth wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > WmB My earliest memories that I'm sure of as originating with me are of standing up in my crib looking across the room and out the front windows of my grandmother's house. Dad and Mom lived in the one room up on the third floor after selling the house in Philly. I make it to be around 1952 and I would have been three. Gramma watched me during the day whilst the parents worked. We eventually moved out to a farm where we just rented one end of a long farmhouse. The building still stands but was made into apartments years ago. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. botenth@yahoo.com wrote in news:56ab97f3-a818-42cb-b1cc-a8b62a801a12 @l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com: > Where were you on November 22, 1963? > > GREAT DETAIL HERE ! > > http://message.alturl.com In school. I remember only fragments, but do recall not understanding a lot of what was going on. Then again, most of the teachers were so upset that we in the 1st grade were not told much, exceept that our parents would be picking us up early. cd SignatureThe difference between immorality and immortality is "T". I like Earl Grey. >Where were you on November 22, 1963? I was just getting out of my college freshman English class when I noticed a commotion among the people outside the building, and found out from them that Kennedy had been shot. I went to my next class (Biology), but the professor, visibly moved, dismissed us immediately. I went home and watched Cronkite on TV for the rest of the day. >> Where were you on November 22, 1963? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > (Biology), but the professor, visibly moved, dismissed us immediately. > I went home and watched Cronkite on TV for the rest of the day. I was in high school (Sophmore) biology class when the word came over that he President had been shot. I went on to English class where we were assigned a theme to write. I was there when the news came that he had died. I don't remember a class after that, so there might have been early dissmissal. We watched TV at home all the next weekend. My father was a federal employee, so he had a few days off. > Where were you on November 22, 1963? > > GREAT DETAIL HERE ! > > http://message.alturl.com I was gonna say Jr. High but everybody else seems to have been somewhere more interesting. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. And some days I have trouble reconciling the fact that there are adults out there who weren't alive on that day. > bote...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > And some days I have trouble reconciling the fact that there are adults > out there who weren't alive on that day. High school junior. I was a stringer for the county radio station and newspaper, so I went to the pay phone (remember those?) to call in the reactions by students and teachers. Didn't realize that I was a little shocked until I found myself asking one of the dozen or so people waiting for the phone "Is the phone in use?". I think that is currently considered a DOH!!! On the day of the funeral we had football practice, but the coach set up the TV and rabbit ears (remember those!!!?). Didn't know until John John saluted his father's casket that a whole team of football players could cry that hard. Tom > Where were you on November 22, 1963? > > GREAT DETAIL HERE ! > > http://message.alturl.com I was a freshman at the U of Iowa. Classes were dismissed, and the game with Notre Dame was called off for that Saturday. Watched Cronkite for about three days straight, and saw Oswald get shot on live TV. That was a surprise! Don H. >> Where were you on November 22, 1963? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Don H. I was in 5th grade and can remember that announcement very clearly, a terrible shock. I too was glued to the TV set and saw the funeral as well as Oswald being shot. Very dark days...... Jim SignatureOur website is http://myweb.cableone.net/okieman7 > > Where were you on November 22, 1963? > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Don H. I feel like Chris. We were having some of my aunts over for a second Thanksgiving dinner that day Oswald was shot. We turned off the TV just before that happened because the dinner was ready. It was a surprise when we tuned in again several hours later. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > I feel like Chris. We were having some of my aunts over for a second > Thanksgiving dinner that day Oswald was shot. We turned off the TV just > before that happened because the dinner was ready. It was a surprise > when we tuned in again several hours later. > Two days after Oswald was shot, my barber told me he knew a guy who knew Jack Ruby, and it was a mob hit. So those Kennedy conspiracy theories got way back indeed. The thing with the Kennedy assassination is that you've got so many people with a plausible reason to want and kill him that it looks like "Murder On The Orient Express". But I know it was Elvis. :-D Pat on 11/16/2007 1:15 PM botenth@yahoo.com said the following: > Where were you on November 22, 1963? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I was raking leaves into a pile in the street in front of my parents house with my car radio on when it came over the air. SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ > on 11/16/2007 1:15 PM botenth@yahoo.com said the following: > > Where were you on November 22, 1963? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > Got home from kindergarten and my mom was crying while watching TV. It was unlike her to watch day time TV at all, much less cry. So I was kind of confused. I tried to tell jokes to cheer her up. JFK didn't mean much to me. When the astronauts died in that Apollo burn, though, I cried. THAT was closer to my home. (metaphorically) --- Stephen >f confused. I tried to tell jokes to cheer her up. > > JFK didn't mean much to me. When the astronauts died in that Apollo > burn, though, I cried. THAT was closer to my home. (metaphorically) > > --- Stephen Same here. I grew up in Huntsville, AL, and my dad worked on the Apollo Project (specifically the third stage Instrument Unit). So, we were very much a "NASA family." SignatureGreg Heilers Registered Linux user #328317 - SlackWare 10.2 (2.6.13) AUS ..... He gets it from your side of the family, you know. No monsters on my side. -- Homer Simpson Treehouse of Horror II >>f confused. I tried to tell jokes to cheer her up. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >stage Instrument Unit). So, we were very much a >"NASA family." i was in a thatre in ktown germany watching the 7th voyage of sinbad. it was 7pm. before the movie started, some yahoo yelled, president kennedy was just shot, if anyone's interested. 15 minutes later they stopped the movies and sent us home. I don't recall, as I was just over 20 months old. What I do recall tho is when I was about 3 or 4, we moved to the house where I grew up when I was 3, and my mom & I were watching our black & white TV & I assume it must have been around the anniversary of the shooting, because they showed the funeral procession & that famous shot of John-John. I asked my mom why the little boy was crying. She told me his daddy had been killed & she asked if I didn't think I'd cry if something happened to my daddy. I do remember that for sure. On Nov 16, 12:15 pm, bote...@yahoo.com wrote: > Where were you on November 22, 1963? > > GREAT DETAIL HERE ! > > http://message.alturl.com I was on a hilltop in Turkey, on an army post, in the movie theater, watching a Miss Marple mystery - "Murder at the Gallop." It was already evening (don't recall the exact time) there. The movie went off the screen, the lights came up, and a disembodied voice came over the p.a. indicating that Kennedy had been shot. I went immediately to the chapel on post, because I felt that this was just the beginning of the "stuff" hitting the fan. Shortly therafter, I went down to the operations building and was able to spirit away a copy of the AP, Reuters, and UPI teletype feeds for the entire night - from a half-hour before the story broke to four hours after the announcement of his death. I still have them in storage. |
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