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British Grey Green Paint ?

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crw59@earthlink.net - 20 Nov 2007 00:52 GMT
At least that is what the Revell 1/32 kit calls for to paint the wheel
wells, cockpit.   I've searched that name with no luck.

Is there paint in this shade?

thx - Craig
Pat Flannery - 20 Nov 2007 01:11 GMT
> At least that is what the Revell 1/32 kit calls for to paint the wheel
> wells, cockpit.   I've searched that name with no luck.
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> thx - Craig
>  

http://www.britmodeler.com/
The article mentions a interior green-gray by White Ensign.
Other sources speak of  the color as British interior green:
http://hsfeatures.com/features04/seafireiiijl_1.htm
And Testors makes that.

Pat
Enzo Matrix - 20 Nov 2007 01:19 GMT
> At least that is what the Revell 1/32 kit calls for to paint the wheel
> wells, cockpit.   I've searched that name with no luck.
>
> Is there paint in this shade?

Xtracrylix XA1010
http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=XA1010

or, if you prefer enamel, Xtracolor X010
http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=X010

Humbrol 78 should provide a reasonable match.  The equivalent FS number is
FS34226.

http://ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_uk.htm

Just be aware that the wheel wells of fighter aircraft such as the Spitfire
and Hurricane were painted in the undersurface colour.

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crw59@earthlink.net - 20 Nov 2007 01:28 GMT
> cr...@earthlink.net wrote:
> > At least that is what the Revell 1/32 kit calls for to paint the wheel
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>
> I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

hmmm, I was going to do the 1942 version with the black belly, wings,
etc... they still said to use green.  black?  did the Hurricane go up
at night?

Craig
Enzo Matrix - 20 Nov 2007 01:40 GMT
>> cr...@earthlink.net wrote:
>>> At least that is what the Revell 1/32 kit calls for to paint the
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> etc... they still said to use green.  black?  did the Hurricane go up
> at night?

It most certainly did.  Night fighter Hurricanes were painted in a colour
called Special Night. This was a very matt lampblack colour. Special Night
did not weather well at all and quickly became very scruffy and blotchy. The
paint would chip off areas that were subject to wear and tear. As the paint
had a rough finish, it would hold any liquids which may have been spilled on
it, so there is a great deal of scope for weathering.  Incidentally the
rough paint finish was found to affect aircraft performance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUHnqyKz7LM

Note that the aircraft in that video has been restored with modern paints
and so it doesn't have the scruffy appearance that an operational aircraft
would have.

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Enzo

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crw59@earthlink.net - 20 Nov 2007 01:43 GMT
> cr...@earthlink.net wrote:
> >> cr...@earthlink.net wrote:
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>
> I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

super. sounds like the perfect opportunity to use my poor painting
skills.  blotchy, faded, peeling paint.  whee.... Can I assume that
flat black or a satin black will suffice?

Craig
Enzo Matrix - 20 Nov 2007 09:14 GMT
>> cr...@earthlink.net wrote:
>>>> cr...@earthlink.net wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
> skills.  blotchy, faded, peeling paint.  whee.... Can I assume that
> flat black or a satin black will suffice?

I would use both flat and satin on different areas. Note also that the
exhaust stains usually showed up on this scheme as a light grey.

As I mentioned before, Special Night was a very rough finish which affected
the performance of the aircraft. It was also used on the undersurfaces of
night bombers with an even greater effect due to the large areas involved.

One would have thought that a very flat black finish would have been ideal
camouflage at night, but that turned out not to be the case. When caught in
a searchlight beam, a flat finish turned out to be very visible indeed.
Therefore an alternative finish known as Smooth Night was introduced in 1942
for night bombers.  Smooth Night was a semi-gloss black which was much
harder wearing. Smooth Night didn't wholly replace Special Night, however.
Smooth Night was used on the undersurfaces of night bombers while Special
Night continued to be used on the fuselgae sides.

A similar situation pertained on Coastal Command's maritime patrol aircraft.
At first glance they appeared to by almost overall white, with just the
upersurfaces of the wing and tailplane and the extreme upper decking of the
fuselage in disruptive camouflage. However, the fuselage and nacelle sides
were in matt white while the undersurfaces were in gloss white.

Special Night was also found to be unsuitable for night fighters.
Hurricanes, Defiants, Blenheims and early marks of Beaufighter and Mosquito
were painted in overall Special Night. However trials showed that night
combat situations occurred above the clouds. On a moonlit night this meant
that a flat black coloured fighter could be silhouetted against the sky and
once again was very visible to the bomber crews. The trials showed that
Medium Sea Grey was a far better colour. Night fighters were therefore
painted in overall Medium Sea Grey with a disruptive pattern of Dark Green
on the uppersurfaces. This scheme was introduced around the same time as the
Smooth Night scheme. It was also used for some intruder aircraft and it
remained in service well into the 1950s on Meteor and Venom night fighters.
Incidentally, the Luftwaffe came to a similar conclusion with regard to
their own night fighters. Ju 88 and He 219 aircraft were painted in overall
RLM 76 with disruptive patterns of darker colours on the uppersurfaces.

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