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Dead Flat Clear Finish for Brush Painters

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dancho - 21 Nov 2007 21:48 GMT
About five years ago I knew that I had to give up spray painting.  My
lungs couldn't handle the fumes from drying paint, let alone any kind of
aerosol.  So I decided to go to extremes (as always) and ban any and all
spray painting from my workshop.  The idea is to have fun, so I just
reasoned that it would be just as challenging to build a model without
the airbrush as it would be to use the airbrush--maybe a little more
challenging.

Future provides an excellent high gloss for decaling, but I have been
looking for a way to get a "dead flat" finish with a BRUSH for years.
Finally, today, I found what I've been looking for.  It's not something
that I invented--this has been around for a long time, but I had never
tried it.  It's Tamiya flat base and Future, mixed together.  The exact
ratio?  I don't know exactly--but here's how I mixed it up.  I took an
old (large) Tamiya thinner bottle (empty) and poured the bottle of flat
base into it (the flat base was the little, 10ml size).  Then I tried to
measure an equal portion of Future by pouring it into the (now nearly
empty) flat base bottle up to the top of the label, stirred it to try to
mix in the remaining flat base so that I wouldn't waste it--and poured
the Future mix from the little bottle into the big one.  Now I have what
I would call a fifty/fifty mix, ration 1 to 1.

That was too much flat base.  Turned the old "painting dummy" white.
Looked like salt spray on a ship (mental note--remember this for ship
modeling).

So I poured another "shot" of future into the little bottle, filling it
to the top of the label.  Stirred a little and poured it in to the
larger bottle of Future/flat base mix.  Now the "ratio" is 2 to 1
(maybe) Future to flat base.

Now I painted a coat on the "dummy" (an old Revell 1/72 P-39) and
SHAZAM!  Dead, stone cold FLAT.  After more experimenting and testing, I
can say that this is absolutely GREAT.  It's too thick for spraying, but
at this ratio it is fantastic for brushing.  You might want to add more
Future, but I have a feeling that it will always need more flat base for
brush work than what is used for spraying.

The mix has another big advantage--as an experiment I brushed a coat of
Future on a dummy, let it "just" dry--and put on a coat of the
flattening mix.  Wow!  It showed none of the horror that would have
occurred with Modelmaster Acryl flat or Polyscale flat.  No weird tears
or wrinkles.  Since the mix is made of Future (mostly) there was no
reaction, even on a coat of Future that wasn't entirely dry!

I just wanted to share that because it really, really solved a problem
that must confront anybody who tries to paint by hand.
eyeball - 21 Nov 2007 22:18 GMT
I gave up spraying for the same reason about 7 years ago.I always
preferred brush painted anyway.I go with a mixture of about 2 parts
tamiya flat to 1 part future,but it's never an exact mixture,just
guess work.
> About five years ago I knew that I had to give up spray painting.  My
> lungs couldn't handle the fumes from drying paint, let alone any kind of
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
> I just wanted to share that because it really, really solved a problem
> that must confront anybody who tries to paint by hand.
Art Murray - 22 Nov 2007 03:48 GMT
Gunze Flat Base 1:2 with Future works well.

Art

> About five years ago I knew that I had to give up spray painting.  My
> lungs couldn't handle the fumes from drying paint, let alone any kind of
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
> I just wanted to share that because it really, really solved a problem
> that must confront anybody who tries to paint by hand.
The Old Man - 22 Nov 2007 14:30 GMT
> About five years ago I knew that I had to give up spray painting.  My
> lungs couldn't handle the fumes from drying paint, let alone any kind of
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
> I just wanted to share that because it really, really solved a problem
> that must confront anybody who tries to paint by hand.

Too thick for spraying? I spray undiluted Future onto my models via a
hand-pump bottle that once held cleaner for my fyfglasses (mine holds
an ounce, but sizes vary) and it works just fine. It should work for
your mix as well.
tomcervo - 22 Nov 2007 15:44 GMT
> I just wanted to share that because it really, really solved a problem
> that must confront anybody who tries to paint by hand.

Thanks for sharing.
All we need now is a primer for Luftwaffe camo by brush!
dancho - 22 Nov 2007 19:55 GMT
>> I just wanted to share that because it really, really solved a problem
>> that must confront anybody who tries to paint by hand.
>
> Thanks for sharing.
> All we need now is a primer for Luftwaffe camo by brush!

You just get a photo of the aircraft in question and start painting
until the model looks like the plane in the photo-- from six feet away.
Gordon McLaughlin - 22 Nov 2007 17:33 GMT
I don't doubt that your mixture works well but I've always found that
Humbrol Matt Cote works perfectly.  I've never used an airbrush so I brush
paint everything.  It's never failed, so far, and is much less elaborate
than mixing things with Kleer or anything else.

Gordon McLaughlin

> About five years ago I knew that I had to give up spray painting.  My
> lungs couldn't handle the fumes from drying paint, let alone any kind of
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
> I just wanted to share that because it really, really solved a problem
> that must confront anybody who tries to paint by hand.
dancho - 22 Nov 2007 19:31 GMT
> I don't doubt that your mixture works well but I've always found that
> Humbrol Matt Cote works perfectly.  I've never used an airbrush so I brush
> paint everything.  It's never failed, so far, and is much less elaborate
> than mixing things with Kleer or anything else.
>
> Gordon McLaughlin
Hmmm... I live in the former colonies and I have never seen this stuff.
 I understand that Xtracolor makes some good stuff too, but it's harder
to get over here.
Dan - 25 Nov 2007 02:49 GMT
> About five years ago I knew that I had to give up spray painting. �My
> lungs couldn't handle the fumes from drying paint, let alone any kind of
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
> I just wanted to share that because it really, really solved a problem
> that must confront anybody who tries to paint by hand.

You are talking about flat I have a mix for semi gloss. What you do is
take future and cut it 50/50 with WATER! yep a garage figure modeler
told me about it. I did it on a dino model and it worked. It gave it a
sheen, and not charlie, lol without making it look wet.

Dan
 
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