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Model Forum / General / Models / September 2008WWII Aircraft Carriers
Here's a bit of trivia for you. In Buffalo harbor there is a derelict powered barge awaiting its final fate. Launched in about 1912, it is the sister ship of the SS Seeandbee and the Greater Buffalo. These ships carried the Great Lakes passenger trade from launching until the late 1930s, when they were decomissioned. In 1939, the Seeandbee and the Greater Buffalo were purchased by the navy for conversion and use as training aircraft carriers. Okay, so what is so unusual about this? They were the only paddle-wheel carriers ever used! Just thought I'd pass this along..... > Here's a bit of trivia for you. In Buffalo harbor there is a derelict > powered barge awaiting its final fate. Launched in about 1912, it is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > They were the only paddle-wheel carriers ever used! > Just thought I'd pass this along..... how do you turn a paddle-wheel carrier into the wind ? Flank speed is what, 3 knots? :-) Craig On Dec 12, 1:19 pm, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Here's a bit of trivia for you. In Buffalo harbor there is a derelict > > powered barge awaiting its final fate. Launched in about 1912, it is [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Craig http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/ix-64.htm uss wolverine (ix-64) and sable (ix-81) 18 knots...on a calm day, not enough wind over deck for operations >On Dec 12, 1:19 pm, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >18 knots...on a calm day, not enough wind over deck for operations far faster than i thought. on 12/12/2007 1:19 PM crw59@earthlink.net said the following: > >> Here's a bit of trivia for you. In Buffalo harbor there is a derelict [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Craig > You had to wait for a hurricane. :-)  SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ >on 12/12/2007 1:19 PM crw59@earthlink.net said the following: >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >You had to wait for a hurricane. :-) or the november witch. : You had to wait for a hurricane. :-) HA! If any clouds appeared, I expect the capitans were only thinking of making port. Still, it would make a nice model, if only to flag the fleet admirals' flag from one of them! Bruce Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX. - Thuganlitha The Power and the Prophet Robert Don Hughes => willshak <willshak@00hvc.rr.com> wrote: => : => : You had to wait for a hurricane. :-) => : => HA! If any clouds appeared, I expect the capitans were only => thinking of making port. Still, it would make a nice model, if => only to flag the fleet admirals' flag from one of them! => => Bruce Here's a video of a spectacular model of the Wolverine - IX-64: <http://ix-carriers.blogspot.com/2007/09/model-of-uss-wolverine.html> It's a 1/72nd scale model, and here's a link to a multi-page article describing the construction of this scratch-built model. <http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/cv/IX-64/72-bw/wolverine.html A lovely project indeed. OIV SignatureOrlando Quattro -- oquattro at magma dot ca The Starving Artist's Garratt > Here's a video of a spectacular model of the Wolverine - IX-64: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > A lovely project indeed. Want to see something odd, check out these aircraft on the U.S.S. Sable: http://bp3.blogger.com/_jevAwSDMSeo/RqJ2x6bAHEI/AAAAAAAAAGc/6VWwvNICcCQ/s1600/Sa bleTDN1-1.jpg Looked at that, and thought "What the hell is it carrying Ta-154s on it for?" The aircraft is a NAF TDN-1: http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app1/tdn-1.jpg http://www.aerofiles.com/NAF-TDN.jpg http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app1/td.html Pat > how do you turn a paddle-wheel carrier into the wind ? Flank speed is > what, 3 knots? :-) > USS Sable and USS Wolverine: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/ix-64.htm They could do 18 knots (!) Pat >> Here's a bit of trivia for you. In Buffalo harbor there is a derelict >> powered barge awaiting its final fate. Launched in about 1912, it is [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Craig 7-9 on some. they go a lot faster than you would think. there is a complex formula based on paddle, diameter, power, gearing, and even water density. thos steamboat races weren't no 3 knots. <> how do you turn a paddle-wheel carrier into the wind ? Flank speed is > what, 3 knots? :-) Craig, This wasn't exactly Fast Carrier Deck Operations. You landed, taxied to the back of the deck and took off. You had the whole deck. They didn't have capability to land a squadron and then refuel them. You came and went on what you brought with you. Six landings and take-offs and you were on your way to the fleet. I've seen models - lots of underdeck open wood work - fairly complicated - something like the Langley. Problem is you end up with one airplane somewhere on an otherwise empty deck. Would probably make a nice alternate history diorama - deck loaded with biplanes and an old four stack destroyer as escort, maybe both in splinter dazzle camo. Val Kraut The SS SeeandBee was launched on Nov.6, 1912. She was owned by the Cleveland and Buffalo Transit Co. The Greater Buffalo was launched on Oct. 23, 1923. She was owned by Detroit and Cleveland Navigation Co. Her sister ship, the SS Greater Detroit was launched Sept. 15, 1923. I sailed on the SS SeeandBee as a child from 1935 until 1939. Both of my folks worked on the Great Ship! >Here's a bit of trivia for you. In Buffalo harbor there is a derelict >powered barge awaiting its final fate. Launched in about 1912, it is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >They were the only paddle-wheel carriers ever used! >Just thought I'd pass this along..... |
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